[MrNM]

Some say Scargill as they were fooled into thinking he cared about the families of Miners by simply being on their side though this was just a means to his end of trying to make himself richer and bring down the Tory government.... Some say Thatcher because she pulled no punches and told it how it was, not how people wanted it to be........

[pk014b7161]

deffo scargill..............................have you ever heard of an honest politician

[DragonofAna]

Thatcher. She called a spade a shovel - if you will forgive the pun. If people are honest Thatcher was trying to put the Great back into Britain while all Scargill seemed to want was to drag the country down.

I know there was all this todo about the closure of pits but lets face it - would you keep putting millions into a business that was forever losing money and had little chance of turning itself around?

Thatcher was a brilliant pm and did a great deal of good for Britain. She made quite a few mess-ups as well, but no-one claims she was perfect. And she did say it as she saw it, regardless of who it may offend. She had more backbone than any pm since - at least to present date.

Dragon

[daftlad]

deffo scargill, all politicians are as bent as nine bob note. Some of her cabinet members even went to jail for it, nuff said

[Waltheof]

I had no time for Thatcher, but if by "honest" you mean taking a line and sticking to it and being consistent in your views and portraying things as you see them (whether right or not, that's a different matter), then in the semantic realm of the word honest, Thatcher was that. Scargill, so far as I can judge, was duplicitous and ambitious, and concerned about his own reputation even if he did have the miners' interests in mind.

[Tony]

It's amazing how some people acquire possessions without any visible means of income to support it.

[kermit103]

Scargill is my vote. Cannot trust politicians Thatcher wreaked the country and it was and will, never be the same

[Keith Rich]

They were both honest inasmuch they were both certain they were in the right. This is always a danger though, a bit like religious fundamentalists who can't see any other point of view but their own.

Keith

[sccsux]

Originally Posted by DragonofAna

Thatcher was trying to put the Great back into Britain while all Scargill seemed to want was to drag the country down.

What rubbish.

All Thatcher was bothered about, was becoming the first "woman" PM.

She then closed all the pits, forcing us to use imported, more expensive coal, which was of an inferior quality to the "native" coal.

[Winter Snow]

Lady Thatcher, no doubt.

Scargill was a Communist nutcase.

[DragonofAna]

Originally Posted by sccsux

What rubbish.

All Thatcher was bothered about, was becoming the first "woman" PM.

She then closed all the pits, forcing us to use imported, more expensive coal, which was of an inferior quality to the "native" coal.

Why would she close all the pits if the only thing she was interested in was becoming the first woman pm? Contradicting yourself?

Perhaps I have been misreading the statistics over the years but from what I have seen every pit was costing us a fortune to keep open - money that could have been better spent elsewhere. I do not see the point in keeping open any business that is just going to cost the country millions of poinds year after year so the miners can hold the country to ransom.

Hey - I remember the miners sitting on the front of busses with baseball bats in their hands when they were striking - but that was before Scargill.

He was power mad and his reign short lived - thank hades!

If Thatcher was so bad then we would not have re-elected her - twice.

Dragon

[MrNM]

Originally Posted by sccsux

All Thatcher was bothered about, was becoming the first "woman" PM.

Utter crap!

[Greybeard]

'Honest politician' is an oxymoron to start with and as Scargill was playing politics as much as defending his members interests the same applies to him.

[MrNM]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

'Honest politician' is an oxymoron to start with and as Scargill was playing politics as much as defending his members interests the same applies to him.

Scargill was a greedy con artist! - He was destroyed accordingly and it was him that took the coal industry down with him!

[DragonofAna]

Originally Posted by Greybeard

'Honest politician' is an oxymoron to start with and as Scargill was playing politics as much as defending his members interests the same applies to him.

But as close as can be damned - Margaret Thatcher was still the most honest of the two.

Dragon

[MrNM]

Originally Posted by daftlad

I know many people ready to dance on her grave when she pops her clogs

Shows their imbecilic mentality then!

[DragonofAna]

Yeah - and all those people she yelled "scabs" at and intimdated not to cross the picket lines while the rest of us went without electricity.

And then all the other strikes because if the miners can get what they want then why shouldn't everyone else.

And I bet she purposely caused inflation so we would not feel sorry for the miners.

Wonder how manyt of those miners are still out of work today?

Dragon

[DragonofAna]

Sorry greybeard - could you explain that a bit better?

As of 2006 the UK consumed 58 million tonnes of coal, of which only 17 million was mined domestically. The remainder was imported, mostly from Russia and South Africa.

And I bet they make us pay for it in $US.

Were we not buying in all that coal because it was cheaper? And were the British coal mines not continuously running at a loss? And have you ever seen a poor miner - I mean prior to the pits getting closed down? I only knew a few from Barnsley and they were on damned good wages even before the strikes for more money.

So who thinks it is a good idea to deprive the rest of the country of essential services so they can make a good wage even better?

Did unemployment start to fall while Maggie was in power?

These are a few of my favourite things - sang to mary poppins tune.

Dragon

[willman]

This is not a name calling thread - please respect the original title. Any further issue of masked swearing and insults will result in a forum holiday.

[Glamrock]

Cant help feeling the title of the thread is a contradiction in itself,I mean come on, the words honest and politics in the same sentence...Unbelievable to say the least