[the_mandarin]

One of the first things I noticed when I moved to Sheffield from Leeds a few years back was that while Sheffield was marginally cheaper place to live in, the bus service here was more expensive than Leeds. The monthly pass was about £12 more than that in Leeds, while the DayRider was about a quid more.

Any ideas on why this is so?

Is it because Sheffield is geographically bigger than Leeds - and maybe the extra charge is because the DayRider here covers a larger area? Or is it some other reason

[WhiteHawk]

Christ knows why we're more expensive.

The Sheffield weekly saver has gone up 100% in 7 years. £7.50 when I started work in 2001, £15 now. Its a shame our wages don't go up by that much!!

[Jason Bourne]

Originally Posted by WhiteHawk

...£7.50 when I started work in 2001

It cost around a fiver / five fifty for the Leeds equivalent, at the time...

[Andy1988]

Originally Posted by the_mandarin

Is it because Sheffield is geographically bigger than Leeds - and maybe the extra charge is because the DayRider here covers a larger area?

A peak (-09:30) DayRider (bought on a First Leeds bus) costs £3.70 and covers all First West Yorkshire services (including those crossing into Gtr. Mcr. & Lancs.). After 09:30 a DayRider costs £2.70 but is valid only within Leeds Metropolitan area, so if you want the West Yorkshire one you have to ask specifically I think. In South Leeds/Wakefield/Pontefract, and also Kirklees, a lot of the buses are Arriva so I dunno about their Day Tickets.

[d71146]

Originally Posted by Andy1988

A peak (-09:30) DayRider (bought on a First Leeds bus) costs £3.70 and covers all First West Yorkshire services (including those crossing into Gtr. Mcr. & Lancs.). After 09:30 a DayRider costs £2.70 but is valid only within Leeds Metropolitan area, so if you want the West Yorkshire one you have to ask specifically I think. In South Leeds/Wakefield/Pontefract, and also Kirklees, a lot of the buses are Arriva so I dunno about their Day Tickets.

They will charge as much as they believe they can get away with.

[wizzardofODD]

i hereby do solemnly declare the opening of a new forum , yes i am advertising it on here !!!!!!

www.lets_never_stop_moaning_about_busses.com

[julado]

Originally Posted by wizzardofODD

i hereby do solemnly declare the opening of a new forum , yes i am advertising it on here !!!!!!

www.lets_never_stop_moaning_about_busses.com

But ask yourself WHY do people on here (me especially) moan about the buses - because they are ****

[wizzardofODD]

look thro the threads / forum / stories ..... similar to this clicky,,,,, theres loads & loads like it , perhaps u may understand then why a bus doesn't turn up at YOUR beckon command .... also threads re congested areas (woodseats) for example ..... some people can only see what is in front of them , if ur bit of the road is clear , then so must the rest of your chosen bus route ...... not so im afraid

[mahonia]

Originally Posted by the_mandarin

Is it because Sheffield is geographically bigger than Leeds - and maybe the extra charge is because the DayRider here covers a larger area? Or is it some other reason

Profit

There is hardly any competition for First so they can charge what they like, get used to it local councils have no powers over bus companys so they hold the cards

[mr_busdriver]

Originally Posted by julado

But ask yourself WHY do people on here (me especially) moan about the buses - because they are ****

The buses are not shi

If they are as bad as you say, then why do people use them?

[julado]

Originally Posted by mr_busdriver

The buses are not shi

If they are as bad as you say, then why do people use them?

Because there is no suitable alternative....and that is why they are ****

It's complacency....and its such complacency that means one year after the flood there is still no bus to service Winn Gardens.

This is the fourth largest city and for me (and the residents of Winn Gardens) to be able to get a bus into town then we have about a 15 minute walk into Hillsborough.

And please don't resond with the fact that we have the tram....because that shows how complacent the bus companies are (57 is a First route btw). There are occasions where using the tram is not an option and then WE have no option.

[mr_busdriver]

[QUOTE=julado;3700732]Because there is no suitable alternative....and that is why they are ****

It's complacency....and its such complacency that means one year after the flood there is still no bus to service Winn Gardens.

This is the fourth largest city and for me (and the residents of Winn Gardens) to be able to get a bus into town then we have about a 15 minute walk into Hillsborough.

And please don't resond with the fact that we have the tram....because that shows how complacent the bus companies are (57 is a First route btw). There are occasions where using the tram is not an option and then WE have no option. [/QUOTE]



er....

Why have you given me the love image? if your female, I'm OK with that, if your male, I'm off

[stephenr]

Originally Posted by the_mandarin

One of the first things I noticed when I moved to Sheffield from Leeds a few years back was that while Sheffield was marginally cheaper place to live in, the bus service here was more expensive than Leeds. The monthly pass was about £12 more than that in Leeds, while the DayRider was about a quid more.

Any ideas on why this is so?

Is it because Sheffield is geographically bigger than Leeds - and maybe the extra charge is because the DayRider here covers a larger area? Or is it some other reason

If you look at the First West Yorkshire site now the weekly and Monthly tickets are roughly the same.
However on a First South Yorkshire monthly ticket you do not need a passport photo like you do on a West Yorkshire one so ours can be used by other members of the family.
There are also more operators in West Yorkshire than South Yorkshire such as:
First, Arriva, Centrebus, Transdev Blazefield, South Yorkshire Motors, Halifax Joint Committee, BL Travel to name a few.

[julado]

Originally Posted by mr_busdriver

er....

Why have you given me the love image? if your female, I'm OK with that, if your male, I'm off

How did that happen It should have been a rant!!!!

Obviously I am meant to have a happy day today And yes....I am female

By the by - have you not quite got the hang of quotes

[stephenr]

Originally Posted by julado

Because there is no suitable alternative....and that is why they are ****

It's complacency....and its such complacency that means one year after the flood there is still no bus to service Winn Gardens.

This is the fourth largest city and for me (and the residents of Winn Gardens) to be able to get a bus into town then we have about a 15 minute walk into Hillsborough.

And please don't resond with the fact that we have the tram....because that shows how complacent the bus companies are (57 is a First route btw). There are occasions where using the tram is not an option and then WE have no option.

The bus service is not **** as you put it. It's not perfect and could certainly be better but then so could everything. It is what it is because of lack of political will to invest in it and change the rules to allow co-operation between operators

You'll get your 57 back when the Council fix the flood damaged road. How difficult is this for you to understand. Complain to the council and the SYPTE for a replacement shuttle in the mean time and stop blaming the operators. The Stagecoach 57 goes the same way as the First 57 so I suspose they are the devil as well.

You could always walk to town and burn off some of your endless anger!

[Yog Sothoth]

At least we get the £1 off-peak bus fare in the evening. I can't remember that Leeds has that.

[bazjea]

Originally Posted by julado

Because there is no suitable alternative....and that is why they are ****

It's complacency....and its such complacency that means one year after the flood there is still no bus to service Winn Gardens.

This is the fourth largest city and for me (and the residents of Winn Gardens) to be able to get a bus into town then we have about a 15 minute walk into Hillsborough.

And please don't resond with the fact that we have the tram....because that shows how complacent the bus companies are (57 is a First route btw). There are occasions where using the tram is not an option and then WE have no option.

I do not understand why the tram to town is any different than the 57 bus would be to town. Did the 57 use a different route?

[julado]

Originally Posted by stephenr

The bus service is not **** as you put it. It's not perfect and could certainly be better but then so could everything. It is what it is because of lack of political will to invest in it and change the rules to allow co-operation between operators

You'll get your 57 back when the Council fix the flood damaged road. How difficult is this for you to understand. Complain to the council and the SYPTE for a replacement shuttle in the mean time and stop blaming the operators. The Stagecoach 57 goes the same way as the First 57 so I suspose they are the devil as well.

You could always walk to town and burn off some of your endless anger!

How rude! I understand perfectly well. It is strange how First can run ONE bus at half eight in the morning.....they either can't run buses because of the landslip or they can.....they are selective because by running ONE bus proves that buses can be run.

It is just a shame that an alternative optare or solo couldn't have been provided.....even just to Hillsborough interchange....so that we had a bus to and from Winn Gardens.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are pensioners and disabled peopled on Winn Gardens....people with mobility problems - of which I am one. Walking into town as you sarcastically put it clearly isn't an option...is that the official line of First then (seeing as you work for First) or is that just your uncaring thought for those who have mobility problems - how understanding of you NOT.

The solution could be as simple as getting the STL to stop at the Winn Gardens stops but as I say that is simple.....

And of course I have been in touch with those who COULD make a decision and make a difference but they are all busy tied up with passing the buck and as a result we don't get a bus.

My posts and my stance on the lack of a bus have been pro-active not reactive unlike your post.

[julado]

Originally Posted by bazjea

I do not understand why the tram to town is any different than the 57 bus would be to town. Did the 57 use a different route?

There are some occasions when you can't use a tram....for instance you can't take a dog onto a tram....so anyone on this estate who needs to take a dog to the vet - for whatever reason - will have to walk to the top of Hillsborough Park for a bus.

The 57 got diverted away from the landslip and the companies that run the 57 chose not to provide any alternative arrangement - and it is now one year on.

Yet First still manage to run one bus a day - 8.30 in the morning - along the route picking up at our stops.

So to say we can't have a bus because of the landslip is nonsense. And they prove this by running the one bus a day.

[foxydebs]

I believe the one bus a day is to serve hillsborough college.