[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by Darkoak

I don't find it difficult to understand at all, because in the real world of a serving Police Officer, it doesn't happen!!!

So says you. Police Inspector Bob Pitt, who actually deals with tihs stuff, says different. Who should I believe, I wonder?

[angle20]

I think part of the problem may be that the police pension scheme is gobbling up an increasing proportion of the staff budget.

[milo24/7]

I think part of the problem may be that the police pension scheme is gobbling up an increasing proportion of the staff budget.

oh paalease..

feel free to contribute 11% of your GROSS wage to your pension scheme.. then get someone (who doesnt know anything about it) to moan.

and for the record. the police pension scheme has been raped just like all the others. New starters have been forced to join the "new" scheme for a couple of years or more now.. whereby they work more years for less pension..??

[Fareast]

It does seem bizarre, for whatever reason, to be reducing the number of police officers actually working on the streets or directly with communities. However, there does, at the same time, seem to be a problem with priorities. Amongst many similar stories that keep emerging is the latest about police visiting a man in Barnsley to tell him to take down a humorous sign [ 6x6 inches ] which is attached to his house near his own front door [ The Star ]. How can the public believe we are short of police if they can fritter their time away like that ? The police, in general, do a great job---difficult and dangerous----but the whole organisation needs reforming, with less centralised planning and targets and, above all, more local control and responsibility and trust given right down the line. It's a complicated, time-bomb of a subject but I think those are the root problems which must be tackled.

[DiamondGirl]

Bet we dont notice round where i live. Round here the coppers are neither use nor ornament!!!!!!!!!!!

[Venables]

Originally Posted by DiamondGirl

Round here the coppers are neither use nor ornament!!!!!!!!!!!

What use do you get out of an ornament?

They`d be the first you would call if someone bust in your house in 20 minutes time....

[barnie41]

Originally Posted by Fareast

It does seem bizarre, for whatever reason, to be reducing the number of police officers actually working on the streets or directly with communities. However, there does, at the same time, seem to be a problem with priorities. Amongst many similar stories that keep emerging is the latest about police visiting a man in Barnsley to tell him to take down a humorous sign [ 6x6 inches ] which is attached to his house near his own front door [ The Star ]. How can the public believe we are short of police if they can fritter their time away like that ? The police, in general, do a great job---difficult and dangerous----but the whole organisation needs reforming, with less centralised planning and targets and, above all, more local control and responsibility and trust given right down the line. It's a complicated, time-bomb of a subject but I think those are the root problems which must be tackled.

Its not complicated at all - due to central government regulation of crime and incident recording, once an allegation has been made, it has to be followed up. Police officers used to have discretion, now that is all in the past.

[proops2000]

They also reported that they vastly overspent on the fuel budget, the answer more bobbys on the beat, when was the last time a bobby walked down your street?
The problem is that the government pays millions every year to solicitors so the law breakers have a fair trial, the knock on effect is that the police have to dot every i and cross every t just so they do not loose on a technicality, this wastes police time.

[rubydazzler]

I don't want to rubbish the work that the pcso people do, but they can never replace the real thing. They just don't have the training or experience to cope. Especially as the creatures they mostly have to cope with these days are hardly reasonable, thinking human beings.

The best time to have them on duty would be in the late evening, patrolling up and down the streets armed with great big nightsticks and snarling ravening Rottweillers straining at the end of a leash That'd be pretty useful in keeping the drunken hordes in check. Oh, and a water cannon as back-up for mass brawls. Am I sounding a little too extreme now?

[crt23]

Originally Posted by milo24/7

the link is
w w w news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7466291.stm

and has already been mentioned, the overtime budget is not the issue.

what the public should be concerned with is the fact that in a typical borough such as say rotherham, including the town centre, outlying areas such as kimberworth, thorpe hesley, aston, swallownest, wickersley, whiston, taken as a whole... the number of officers actually on duty during the night will be about 8.. if your very lucky..
thats 8 cops for 250,000 people.
and the more numbers are reduced, the more these officers spend running around at the beck and call of the radio, going to stupid people who cant control their husbands/wives/pets/children/selves.... without involving the authorities then the less time they are are out there on patrol, in the night, trying to catch the real criminals that are out there trying to break into your property or steal your car.

PCSO's dont work night shifts, they dont attend domestic incidents, they dont arrest people, they dont have to submit the reams of paperwork after each job. The list of things they DO is much smaller than the list of things they DONT..
and yet we are getting more and more of them at the expense of regular Officers.
Give them the powers to deal with all the usual sh*te that officers deal with and I may be a little more supportive, if it frees up time to go and deal with all the actual criminals, rather than people that just cant sort out their own lives.

you dont catch villains or protect property by sitting on your arse in the nick doing paperwork. But thats what were left with when the idiots stop ringing in with dross and you finally get chance to get caught up with bloody paperwork, cos there's not enough on the shift to do otherwise.

This is so right its crazy that police officers have to attend stupid arguments that people have because they are fuelled with alcohol (don't know where they get their money from as the majority are unemployed lay abouts)!! Police officers aren't marriage councillors/mediators they are there to prevent/detect crime. Whilst officers are having to attend stupid domestic disputes where no crime has been committed because it is just a verbal argument, the poor little lady who has had her window smashed won't get to see an officer as officers are having to deal with scumbags who have arguments with their partners.....sort it out yourselves instead of grabbing the phone and dialling 999.
Then there may be more officers to deal with real crime! So god knows what will happen when SYP makes the cuts.

[Eric_Collins]

Originally Posted by rubydazzler

I don't want to rubbish the work that the pcso people do, but they can never replace the real thing. They just don't have the training or experience to cope. Especially as the creatures they mostly have to cope with these days are hardly reasonable, thinking human beings.

The best time to have them on duty would be in the late evening, patrolling up and down the streets armed with great big nightsticks and snarling ravening Rottweillers straining at the end of a leash That'd be pretty useful in keeping the drunken hordes in check. Oh, and a water cannon as back-up for mass brawls. Am I sounding a little too extreme now?

nah think that would work a treat Pity the Police to to Pansy now with the Political Correctness to take on such a plan.

[Rich]

If the ruddy application forms weren't such a pain in the nether regions, they wouldn't have so much trouble recruiting and retaining PCs.

They failed my application to the Specials t'other week, poor answers to the competency questions on the application form! What the chuff?! Contrary to what certain individuals on here think, I am NOT incompetent.

As for Bobbies on the beat, I regularly see uniformed Officers in Tesco on Infirmary Road!

[FUTO]

Originally Posted by milo24/7

however its okay "only 40 frontline posts will be lost"...!

i wonder where the spare 40 cops have been hiding away then that we can afford to get rid of...?

oh but its okay, we will have plent of PCSO's to to take the strain wont we..!!

PAH..!!!

what utter madness

Good news that

No need for them now there are anpr camera's on every major road in the city leading in and out making life a havoc for the gentlemen of the night

[troubledjoe]

Originally Posted by Rich

If the ruddy application forms weren't such a pain in the nether regions, they wouldn't have so much trouble recruiting and retaining PCs.

They failed my application to the Specials t'other week, poor answers to the competency questions on the application form! What the chuff?! Contrary to what certain individuals on here think, I am NOT incompetent.

As for Bobbies on the beat, I regularly see uniformed Officers in Tesco on Infirmary Road!

It's simple really, you failed the competency questions! Questions designed to see what you would do in a certain situation, whether you can retain and remember information and basically whether you are capable of doing the job.... you obviously were not.

As for officers being in Tesco, believe it or not.... police officers have to eat. Perhaps your lack of understanding on how the police works was also another reason for why you failed to get in....

[troubledjoe]

it's nice to see so many answers supporting the police on here. Restores ones faith a bit.

[Swan_Vesta]

Originally Posted by troubledjoe

it's nice to see so many answers supporting the police on here. Restores ones faith a bit.

The police deserve our support. They protect us, they put themselves in danger for us and they do a crappy job which, if most people tried to do it they would be on the Valium, for little money considering the hours.

Politicians, YJB and the CPS are what is wrong with the justice system ...... Not the old bill.

[DIVA]

Originally Posted by milo24/7

PCSO's dont work night shifts, they dont attend domestic incidents, they dont arrest people, they dont have to submit the reams of paperwork after each job. The list of things they DO is much smaller than the list of things they DONT..
and yet we are getting more and more of them at the expense of regular Officers.
Give them the powers to deal with all the usual sh*te that officers deal with and I may be a little more supportive, if it frees up time to go and deal with all the actual criminals, rather than people that just cant sort out their own lives.

But why should they even consider dealing with usual "sh*te", as you put it, for the pay and conditions they receive. They'd have to be complete and utter idiots, wouldn't they?

[dccjb]

Originally Posted by troubledjoe

it's nice to see so many answers supporting the police on here. Restores ones faith a bit.

Several weeks back I saw 1 officer with 4 men to deal with, he kept talking to them & speaking on his radio he ended up cuffing 1 of them (at this point I went to get our German Shepherd, I thought if I walk past them my dog will bark & these men would stay there until back-up arrives for this officer) but while he turned to put 1 man in his car the other 3 ran off, he had no chance of catching them, (I didn't get the dog on the lead in time) & after several minutes other cars arrived but I don't think they got the other 3.
It's ridiculous getting rid of 149

[Coral Water]

IS this over the entire South Yorks Area??

Hope this is via natural wasteage ie Early retirment / sickness etc Try getting rid of the PCSO's and recruit more officers on their wages instead. They are not on bad money considering they have no real powers to do any real effective policing.

[craigmason]

I hope my favourite traffic cop(pc scothern) is not one of those involved
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G0aqIxE-bOQ