[milo24/7]

however its okay "only 40 frontline posts will be lost"...!

i wonder where the spare 40 cops have been hiding away then that we can afford to get rid of...?

oh but its okay, we will have plent of PCSO's to to take the strain wont we..!!

PAH..!!!

what utter madness

[rubydazzler]

What a crock! we need 149 MORE, not 149 fewer ... what are they thinking!!

[retep]

Originally Posted by milo24/7

however its okay "only 40 frontline posts will be lost"...!

i wonder where the spare 40 cops have been hiding away then that we can afford to get rid of...?

oh but its okay, we will have plent of PCSO's to to take the strain wont we..!!

PAH..!!!

what utter madness

Will anyone notice.

[IluvStaffys]

The streets are becoming more unsafe people gettin murdered, shootings, stabbings, robbery's god know's what else. When will the government wake up and smell the coffee

[Titanic99]

Whilst totally disagreeing with this decision, I do feel that it was inevitable this would happen. Since this government came in another 16,000 Police Officers have been employed, this has contributed to a significant reduction in crime levels which the Police have quite rightly claimed some of the credit for.

Unfortunately in the real world of economising, someone has concluded that because they've now got less work to do, then we need fewer of them.
I don't agree with it, but I saw it coming as did Ronnie Flanaghan when he voiced the same opinion months ago.

I'd rather they kept them on and helped crime reduce even further.

[chem1st]

Get rid of another 500 while there at it.
Do this in order to provide better law enforcement.
Eh????
With the money saved, employ 500 builders. Build a prison capable of holding 10 000 people in Sheffield, we need one. Equip all rooms with treadmills linked to generators.
Once done, re employ police officers, at a time when it physically possible to punish offenders.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by rubydazzler

What a crock! we need 149 MORE, not 149 fewer ... what are they thinking!!

Apparently it's due to budget constraints, there's simply no money to pay for these officers. So, their duties will now be taken up by other officers working overtime at time-and-a-half, and the overall budget will go up.





No, don't ask me. It's to me as well.

[Eric_Collins]

Originally Posted by IluvStaffys

The streets are becoming more unsafe people gettin murdered, shootings, stabbings, robbery's god know's what else. When will the government wake up and smell the coffee

The Government lives in a bubble surrounded by Police at every turn. Until something happens up close and personal to them then the world will get worst.
It's a case of "It's alright for me Jack", they live in the white towers of crime free, immigrant free, hoodie free and plenty of Cash state. Untill that changes then life for us mere mortals that voted this sad sorry lot in will never change.

[milo24/7]

shame on this goverment
shame on modern day society
shame on modern police command teams

for destroying the modern police service and all that has been suffered in the past to make it what was, the envy of the world...

despite all the faults routinely trawled out by people on here, anyone that has spent time overseas will tell you how superior the UK Police are.

One of the best things was always that the man at the very top, started at the bottom with everyone else. That any specialist had spent their time on the streets earning their spots and that any officer arriving to help you would have the tools and the knowledge to do so.

And what do we have now..?
Extreme fast track promotions
Civilian workers doing police jobs (and even supervising cops..!! ?? )
PCSO's providing a 2 tiered Police service (at best)

I despair at what has happened to the service that my father held so dear, and was so proud for me to join. I'm now ashamed to tell people im part of an organisation that gets so much wrong, so often, for so many people.

We do do good work, every day. But that is in spite of the organisation, not because of it. Its only ever down to the tenacity of individual officers and hard graft on their part.

After 20 years I wish i had a stab at another career. I dont complain about pay. I get paid a fair wage for fair graft. But I never thought I would see the day when we REDUCED police numbers in light of expanding population and immigration. This has been the final straw for me. Im now looking for opportunities in the southern hemisphere and the chance to leave this madness behind.. I wish you all luck with what is to come, you'll need it..!!

[Swan_Vesta]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Apparently it's due to budget constraints, there's simply no money to pay for these officers.

And also factor in the £250,000 overspend from the forces fuel budget. Why such a drastic oversight in the figures you may ask? Because the bloody Govt. have hiked the fuel prices up screwing the police out of much needed funds!

None of this make any sense at all!

[Space]

It's just yet another nail in the coffin for this rapidly declining Country.

[Darkoak]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Apparently it's due to budget constraints, there's simply no money to pay for these officers. So, their duties will now be taken up by other officers working overtime at time-and-a-half, and the overall budget will go up.





No, don't ask me. It's to me as well.

Your'e correct regarding 'budget constraints'. SYP is having 10% cut in its' funding over the next three years - I believe this equates to around £18m.

However, have you made the bit up about other Officers working overtime to cover?
Because the FACT is that internal overtime budgets have been slashed as well. It is common practice now (and will become the norm) for Officers to 'handover' jobs they cannot complete in their tour of duty, onto to their colleagues on subsequent shifts to continue -meaning NO overtime is accrued.

[Darkoak]

Originally Posted by milo24/7

shame on this goverment
shame on modern day society
shame on modern police command teams

for destroying the modern police service and all that has been suffered in the past to make it what was, the envy of the world...

despite all the faults routinely trawled out by people on here, anyone that has spent time overseas will tell you how superior the UK Police are.

One of the best things was always that the man at the very top, started at the bottom with everyone else. That any specialist had spent their time on the streets earning their spots and that any officer arriving to help you would have the tools and the knowledge to do so.

And what do we have now..?
Extreme fast track promotions
Civilian workers doing police jobs (and even supervising cops..!! ?? )
PCSO's providing a 2 tiered Police service (at best)

I despair at what has happened to the service that my father held so dear, and was so proud for me to join. I'm now ashamed to tell people im part of an organisation that gets so much wrong, so often, for so many people.

We do do good work, every day. But that is in spite of the organisation, not because of it. Its only ever down to the tenacity of individual officers and hard graft on their part.

After 20 years I wish i had a stab at another career. I dont complain about pay. I get paid a fair wage for fair graft. But I never thought I would see the day when we REDUCED police numbers in light of expanding population and immigration. This has been the final straw for me. Im now looking for opportunities in the southern hemisphere and the chance to leave this madness behind.. I wish you all luck with what is to come, you'll need it..!!

From someone with a similar length of service, I agree with all you say.

Good luck with your proposals in the southern hemisphere, if i hadn't got a daughter approaching the most important period of her education, I'd be seriously considering it myself.

[barnie41]

Titanic - this gov't has emloyed 16, 000 Police community support officers, not Police officers. They aren't and never will be Police officers, much as the government may wish you to think they are. Some good people, but they are few and far between, and will never replace the fully trained, full time officer.

This isn't the first admission of officer losses, nor will it be the last.

Sad times we are living in.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by Darkoak

Your'e correct regarding 'budget constraints'. SYP is having 10% cut in its' funding over the next three years - I believe this equates to around £18m.

However, have you made the bit up about other Officers working overtime to cover?

It's called logic. If there's the same amount of work, but less regular hours, the extra work can only be done in extra overtime.

The police force worked that out in no time, and have made the point already. I'm surprised you find it difficult to understand.

[Wizzzard]

Any link for this story???? 149 officers for south yorkshire alone seems rather unrealistic. They are probably just retiring and being replaced with civilians.

[Darkoak]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

It's called logic. If there's the same amount of work, but less regular hours, the extra work can only be done in extra overtime.

The police force worked that out in no time, and have made the point already. I'm surprised you find it difficult to understand.

I don't find it difficult to understand at all, because in the real world of a serving Police Officer, it doesn't happen!!!

As I've already pointed out in my initial reply to you (the part you have not copied above, for whatever reason), the vast majority of jobs/prisoners to process are handed over from shift to shift, thereby accruing zero overtime.

To quote yourself, "I'm surprised you find it difficult to understand".

[chem1st]

Originally Posted by Wizzzard

Any link for this story???? 149 officers for south yorkshire alone seems rather unrealistic. They are probably just retiring and being replaced with civilians.

it is on the star webstie
www.thestar.co.uk

[milo24/7]

the link is
w w w news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7466291.stm

and has already been mentioned, the overtime budget is not the issue.

what the public should be concerned with is the fact that in a typical borough such as say rotherham, including the town centre, outlying areas such as kimberworth, thorpe hesley, aston, swallownest, wickersley, whiston, taken as a whole... the number of officers actually on duty during the night will be about 8.. if your very lucky..
thats 8 cops for 250,000 people.
and the more numbers are reduced, the more these officers spend running around at the beck and call of the radio, going to stupid people who cant control their husbands/wives/pets/children/selves.... without involving the authorities then the less time they are are out there on patrol, in the night, trying to catch the real criminals that are out there trying to break into your property or steal your car.

PCSO's dont work night shifts, they dont attend domestic incidents, they dont arrest people, they dont have to submit the reams of paperwork after each job. The list of things they DO is much smaller than the list of things they DONT..
and yet we are getting more and more of them at the expense of regular Officers.
Give them the powers to deal with all the usual sh*te that officers deal with and I may be a little more supportive, if it frees up time to go and deal with all the actual criminals, rather than people that just cant sort out their own lives.

you dont catch villains or protect property by sitting on your arse in the nick doing paperwork. But thats what were left with when the idiots stop ringing in with dross and you finally get chance to get caught up with bloody paperwork, cos there's not enough on the shift to do otherwise.

[barnie41]

Milo - agree totally - all these new Police officers - don't work after 11pm ish, just there during the day where they can be 'visible'.

Unlike regular officers who do work all hrs god sends.

Maybe the time is getting closer that people will wake up and smell the coffee.