[Zebra]

In M'hall this afternoon we arrived to see some numpty in a small white van pull into the last P&C space, well loaded with twins and OH in his car I saw red and opened the door as he left his vehicle.
'Scuse me,' I said, 'I've got twins and I need that space, it's a parent and child space'.
Not unreasonable IMO.
The numpty replies 'What do you expect me to do, drive round and round looking for a space?' Well duh! I'm leaning out of the car because it amuses me obviously!
Anyway, with a substantial amount of unpleasant discussion, during which time he swore a lot and insulted and threatened my partner, he did move, then walked off still casting verbal back at us.
His parting shot was something along the lines of 'f*** off you daft c***' and mine was 'go f*** yourself, but THANKYOU for moving!'. Not the pearls of wisdom I would have preferred but never mind
Well, end result is that as he had made a threat of physical violence amongst his blue torrent, the police will be taking a statement and he will be spoken to and warned/advised accordingly. Furthermore, speaking in such a manner in front of the kids is disgraceful.
I would be so embarrassed if I'd done that and been challenged.
We took note of his number plate in case he felt the need to do something stupid later, even though HE was in the wrong. Numpty!
That's one pillock which might think twice before parking in a parent and child space next time!
How silly to escalate a situation like that with a foul mouth when you are clearly in the wrong.
He's the 4th idiot I've challenged in as many weeks and I intend to keep going! I've also got a customer comments form for M'Hall as I intend to further demonstrate how important those spaces are to some parents.

[xxsarahxx]

Alot of people seem to think they have the right to park in parent/child parking spaces when they dont have kids and block them up for the rest of us,which drives me insane...

well done you for challenging the foul mouthed pig tho, you were right to stand up to him...

one thing that really wound me up the other week tho, we went to meadowhall and all the parent spaces were full...one of which was occupied by a police car, do they have the right to park there just cos they are cops

[Minesadouble]

I get annoyed with it too
They are just ignorant bleeps !
Although I never say anything ....just incase I let rip like you did Zebra with the kids in the back

Difficult to bite your tongue with such fools !!!!

[SpeedDemon]

It infuriates me too but i never dare to say anything (apart from muttering to myself in the car) as in this day and age, I'm always wary they could pull a knife or something. Well done for sticking up for yourself tho!

[waxonwaxoff]

I saw about 5 cars do this in about 15 mins at the tesco on infirmery road. Some of them were using them as disabled spaces even though the disabled spaces were empty.

[zweena]

I witnessed someone on a HUGE Porche 4x4 park over TWO (yes TWO!!!!!) P&C spaces at the supermarket. No kids, just a suited and booted prat who obviously has a bone in his leg and can't manage a walk!

[Zebra]

Update for all interested, the police hve been out and taken a statement and the numpty in question will be visited, he will probably get a warning and a fixed penalty notice (a fine) for a public order (Section 5) offence.
Now that's a result!

[doodle]

Well done Zebra, hopefully he will think twice before parking in a P&C space. I find it annoying that people take the spaces, but I'm passive aggressive so usually mutter under my breath at them.

Meadowhall is a joke though, there are hardley any P&C spaces, but loads of disabled spaces that are hardley used. I especially hate using the downstairs ones, as you have to walk miles to get a lift to go upstairs when you are pushing a pram and will only use them as a last resort.

[xxsarahxx]

Originally Posted by Zebra

Update for all interested, the police hve been out and taken a statement and the numpty in question will be visited, he will probably get a warning and a fixed penalty notice (a fine) for a public order (Section 5) offence.
Now that's a result!

result....

great news zebra, i hope it makes him think next time...probably not tho as he sounds like a dumpling anyway lol.

[em2007]

last time i went i came back to my car and there was a meadowhall security guy hanging around. he said he was there to watch for these people who park without kids! well done meadowhall, shame he's not there all the time though. i said i bet he gets a lot of arguments and he replied 'yes, thats the best part of the job!' lol

also well done asda! they are now dishing out £60 fines to anyone who uses baby spaces without kids. i always want to say something but so far i haven't. feel sorry for the person that gets it when i do though. they'll have the built up anger from thousands of others that have done it and thwey'l get it all at once lol

[*Peaches*]

Tesco are dishing out fines also

[PinkJo]

One of the parenting magazines which I buy have an A4 poster which you can print off and leave under a windscreen wiper. They have SOS (save our spaces) on them and a few sarcastic comments. I use them if I remember to put them in my car.

[Grandad.Malky]

Another pile of paperwork for the police that get criticised for not catching “proper criminals”

I see he isn’t going to be charged with a motoring offence, section 5 is “uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour.”

If you said 'go f*** yourself does that mean you will be charged as well.


Nobody can condone the language but is it really a Result.

[Zebra]

Actually Malky, we're already aware of your feelings on P&C parking and on a parenting section this is a result for most people, yes.
This man is a criminal in the eyes of the law and frankly your view of justice falls short of the view of the people employed to do the job. I'm guessing that's because they have analysed what they are doing and what constitutes an public disorder/crime/violent issue. Also that you most likely haven't.
If he's willing to threaten to hit a man the size of my partner, verbally abuse me (and you might have noticed that I'm not a wallflower) and do all this in front of my 2 y/o twins - then I think this is someone who needs a short sharp shock.
Parking in parent and child spaces for no reason other than can't be bothered to find a space (there were plenty) is just plain rude and ignorant.
But then we all know that some people have no appreciation of P&C spaces, don't we Malky?

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by Zebra

But then we all know that some people have no appreciation of P&C spaces, don't we Malky?

The fact that I may not agree with P/C parking spaces does not mean I would abuse them; I have never parked in one.

The bloke isn’t going to be charged with a motoring offence is he, I just thought it was ironic he is going to be charged with using “abusive or insulting words or behaviour” but on a open forum and as a Moderator in a parenting group you tell everybody you have used the same.

[Zebra]

It's very clear that his actions and mine were worlds apart, yes I swore at him, once and in response, not in a stupid attack and no threat of violence (no matter how tempting that might be at times).
And in a parenting group, I'm inclined towards honesty, not seeing the point of highlighting parenting - it's clear to all of us here!
If you'd like to discuss this one to one via pm then please feel free but this is not for discussion and, as I've pointed out before, arguing about P&C spaces on a parenting section is probably unwise, the majority of people are in favour on this section, to argue the case is pointlessly provocative and historically is likely to end up in the kind of post which gets closed or warnings.

[cosywolf]

Not sharing your undoubtedly angelically perfect poise and flawless character, Zebra has indeed admitted to becoming wound up and responding to behaviour from the man which was calculated to offend and abuse from the off - like, oh, 99.9% of the population most likely would under similar provocation.
This does not change the fact that someone parked inconsiderately, she asked them to move, their response was not only unpleasant but abusive and threatening, and when it was pursued, the police decided that the threats and abuse were not acceptable.
yes, that is one for us parents, and in my opinion for everyone else, including you - no, the guy didn't get done for a parking offence, but he will get a good rap on the knuckles for his appalling behaviour towards someone who requested he do something considerate, whatever that something may be.

Or do you think it's all right for people to respond in a threatening and abusive manner to someone making a reasonable request?

[Grandad.Malky]

I know it was late last night but as this thread been heavily edited or am I imagining it, the argument about P/C parking as been over done before and there is little more to say about it

It’s nice to know that on a night when there was a thread about youths rioting in Chapeltown and another about a local lad getting his face slashed at Blackpool the police still find time to sort out parking disputes.

Getting back to the OP what was the point of it, One for the parents, I am a parent but I get the feeling that somehow I should be excluded.

[cosywolf]

Originally Posted by Malky

I know it was late last night but as this thread been heavily edited or am I imagining it, the argument about P/C parking as been over done before and there is little more to say about it

It’s nice to know that on a night when there was a thread about youths rioting in Chapeltown and another about a local lad getting his face slashed at Blackpool the police still find time to sort out parking disputes.

Getting back to the OP what was the point of it, One for the parents, I am a parent but I get the feeling that somehow I should be excluded.

Lol, no my dear. You're either showing your colours as a paranoid conspiracy theorist, or as a trouble stirrer with a big spoon - nothing has been deleted to the best of my knowledge and memory.

You're right, it has been done to death, this argument, so kindly put your spoon down, back away from the bowl, and find something worth your time
to discuss. This tedious stirring is wearing thin.

I'm sorry you feel the police shouldn't respond to threatening behaviour...I would suggest that if that kind of behaviour was less tolerated, the other kind of behaviour you mentioned in your last post would be less widespread.

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by cosywolf

Lol, no my dear. You're either showing your colours as a paranoid conspiracy theorist, or as a trouble stirrer with a big spoon - nothing has been deleted to the best of my knowledge and memory.

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I am sorry you find the need to suggest I have some ulterior motive you couldn’t be further from the truth, as I said it was late last night; if I am wrong about editing I am wrong, plain and simple.

I was responding to a post called one for the parents I would have thought that covered %90 of people on here, anyway back to the OP what was it all about, if its about campaigning for P/C parking places fare enough but it came across as gloating to me………Result.