[Justin Smith]

Is it just me who has noticed that the selfish and dangerous habit of going through traffic lights on red has been getting worse ?
The junction at the top of Leppings Lane is terrible for it and it`s getting to be every other time the lights change that some imbecilic cretin decides that the rules of the road don`t apply to them.
What`s even worse is that they`re so bleedin` arrogant about it.
I once managed to talk to one of those responsible (he was in an open top BMW) and all I did was point out he`d just gone through the light on red, I didn`t even swear. He responded like I`d accused his wife of sleeping with half of Sheffield ! T****R........

The question is, cameras being so expensive, what can be done to stop it ?

[_Kirsty_]

I see loads of people do it every day. Sat here, looking out of the window from my desk which is opposite the place where they keep naughty people- right outside theres some traffic lights and I see so many people go through them!! It annoys me and i dont even drive!

[steveb2007]

Are some drivers colourblind and think red is go and green is stop!

[BasilRathbon]

Rig up traffic lights so they play the hits of the Human League at full blast when they turn to red. Drivers will be so desperate to cover their ears they'll take their hands off the steering wheel, crash into the lights and come to a sudden halt.

Problem solved!

[steveb2007]

Originally Posted by BasilRathbon

Rig up traffic lights so they play the hits of the Human League at full blast when they turn to red. Drivers will be so desperate to cover their ears they'll take their hands off the steering wheel, crash into the lights and come to a sudden halt.

Problem solved!

That may not work though.It would work in theory if Celine Dion songs were played,definately.

[Darbees]

Originally Posted by Justin Smith

The question is, cameras being so expensive, what can be done to stop it ?

Nothing. Not sure that type of car is relevant to light jumping but it could be relevant to your reason for remonstrating.

[Justin Smith]

Originally Posted by Darbees

Nothing. Not sure that type of car is relevant to light jumping but it could be relevant to your reason for remonstrating.

I can assure you that the make of car was irrelevant, it was the fact that it was an open top and therefore one could actually communicate with the git.
That said, arguing with any motorist is a complete waste of time because they never, never, never, NEVER admit they`ve done anything wrong, even if it`s totally obvious to anyone with half a brain.....

[Darbees]

Indeed......

[WallBuilder]

I see this happening all too frequently, one particular spot for me is the Abbeydale/Bannerdale/Archer road junction. I've spoken to the road safety camera partnership [I think that's what they were called] and discovered that as it is a low accident spot then any money for camera's is used to put camera's in more dangerous [accident wise] area's.
I have a simple solution though put an unmarked police car at any set of red lights where people often jump the lights. Catch and fine anyone say £1000 it shouldn't take long to raise the neccesary funds to install a camera.
So if anyone spots some-one with a large dog screaming 'silly idiots' or words to that effect at cars whizzing through this junction then it'll probably be me.

[nexus_]

It is worrying that some people are put in charge of such a dangerous weapon as a car. Walking through town last night (about 16:30) there was a taxi driving the wrong way up the road to avoid waiting behind the buses.

Funnily enough two cops on cycles were coming the other way and stopped him. I thought he'd get a ticket or something, but the cops just waved him on after a brief talking to.

If there are laws, like which side of the road you should drive on (!) and that red means stop, but no one ever gets punished for breaking the laws then it just breeds more irresponsibility. That taxi driver could easily have hit a pedestrian as he broke the law, but the cops didn't take any action. Maybe they were all mates......

[Darbees]

Originally Posted by nexus_

If there are laws, like which side of the road you should drive on (!) and that red means stop, but no one ever gets punished for breaking the laws then it just breeds more irresponsibility. That taxi driver could easily have hit a pedestrian as he broke the law, but the cops didn't take any action. Maybe they were all mates......

Just because he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean he won't take any notice. It's good that they used their discretion, he didn't have or cause an accident and he might go away thinking it was a fair cop, he is lucky and that the cops are ok after all, that's good policing IMO.

[mr contrite]

Originally Posted by WallBuilder

I see this happening all too frequently, one particular spot for me is the Abbeydale/Bannerdale/Archer road junction. I've spoken to the road safety camera partnership [I think that's what they were called] and discovered that as it is a low accident spot then any money for camera's is used to put camera's in more dangerous [accident wise] area's.
I have a simple solution though put an unmarked police car at any set of red lights where people often jump the lights. Catch and fine anyone say £1000 it shouldn't take long to raise the neccesary funds to install a camera.
So if anyone spots some-one with a large dog screaming 'silly idiots' or words to that effect at cars whizzing through this junction then it'll probably be me.

It would only work if the police were there all the time, and even then it would only discourage those who have been caught, not prevent those not caught, plus the accusations of police targeting innocent motorists would surface, and why are they not catching real criminals, add to that the fact that in London, cant comment on Sheffield, there is a sizeable amount of unlicensed, uninsured, unregistered vehicles on the road, and as those are the ones most likely to commit offences, either motoring or otherwise, cameras would not be a deterrant, i cant proof this next part, but there is a massive network of cameras being erected in London apparently aimed at tracking and catching those not on the roads legally.

Would those opposed to "big brother" be happy to have such a scheme in Sheffield?

[nexus_]

Originally Posted by Darbees

Just because he wasn't prosecuted doesn't mean he won't take any notice. It's good that they used their discretion, he didn't have or cause an accident and he might go away thinking it was a fair cop, he is lucky and that the cops are ok after all, that's good policing IMO.

I think if you'd seen the incident you'd disagree. There is using 'common sense', but speeding the wrong way up a street to avoid traffic because you are impatient, in the middle of a busy city centre should not be let off with a warning.

[Darbees]

Originally Posted by nexus_

I think if you'd seen the incident you'd disagree. There is using 'common sense', but speeding the wrong way up a street to avoid traffic because you are impatient, in the middle of a busy city centre should not be let off with a warning.

A sensible copper would use his discretion to decide what action is the most effective and obviously that's what they thought in that instance, I don't know, I wasn't there but they were. Did you ask them why they made that decision?

[alchresearch]

"They" say we're the most camera observed people in the world, it's no wonder. Cameras on traffic lights are the way to go.

[Jason Bourne]

Originally Posted by mr contrite

It would only work if the police were there all the time, and even then it would only discourage those who have been caught, not prevent those not caught, plus the accusations of police targeting innocent motorists would surface

^^^^^^^^^^

I absolutely agree.

It seems the only solution is for traffic cameras or a Police presence to be positioned at EVERY junction, capturing those who jump red lights.

But then all those people who were caught would just come back on here complaining at the Police and / or government victimising the poor, innocent motorist.

Come on people, you can't have it both ways.

Either regulate your own behaviour, or have the government legislate it for you.

Simple choice.

[Grahame]

If they do it habitually then they will get caught soon enough when they go through a red light where there is a safety camera, then hey presto as they say, six point on their license in one go. Three points for going through a red light and thee points for dangerous driving.

[Jason Bourne]

Originally Posted by Grahame

If they do it habitually then they will get caught soon enough when they go through a red light with a saftey camera and hey presto as they say.

Unlikely, there's just not enough cameras to go around... and they're not cheap, either.

Of course, the government could install some more, and use the funds raised to pay for the cameras, but the usual suspects would all start pleading victimisation again!

[Grahame]

Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

Unlikely, there's just not enough cameras to go around... and they're not cheap, either.

Of course, the government could install some more, and use the funds raised to pay for the cameras, but the usual suspects would all start pleading victimisation again!

What I am saying is that there are lots of lights with safety cameras already and if it becomes a habit with them, then sooner or later they are going to get caught.

[Darbees]

Originally Posted by Grahame

If they do it habitually then they will get caught soon enough when they go through a red light with a safety camera and hey presto as they say, six point on their license in one go. Three points for going through a red light and thee points for dangerous driving.

They can't add the points together nor would they do you for both unless there was an accident, you just get the points for the highest offence.