Star website- woman not charged after taking dead baby to the hospital in a bag

Ghostrider · 02-10-2007, 12:51

http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/T...bag.3249803.jp

Just read through this and im appalled, you cant tell me this was accidental - she knew exactly what she was doing

KATIEB_23 · 02-10-2007, 13:13

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Originally Posted by SuzukiRider

http://www.thestar.co.uk/headlines/T...bag.3249803.jp

Just read through this and im appalled, you cant tell me this was accidental - she knew exactly what she was doing

No charges have been brought??

laughalot01 · 02-10-2007, 13:27

iv just been reading it aswell i had to read it twice becasue i just couldnt understand how this can happen its appoling an no charges been brought

jinnertomcat · 02-10-2007, 13:38

Anyone know what could she have been charged with ??

Mathom · 02-10-2007, 13:41

I think you'd find that this woman obviously has mental health issues - after all nobody perfectly sane would deny a pregnancy, hide it, give birth at home and then traipse to the hospital with a baby in a carrier bag. It's a damn disturbing story, but we don't know the hows and whys of the case, so it's not a good idea to judge her just yet. Off the story alone, I'd say it was case of extreme ante-natal depression that went untreated. Very sad

KATIEB_23 · 02-10-2007, 13:43

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Originally Posted by jinnertomcat

Anyone know what could she have been charged with ??

well I would have thought that those notes gave away the fact that the baby was NOT born dead... so there should be a proper investigation, and the most serious charge that could be applicable would be MURDER.

Ghostrider · 02-10-2007, 13:44

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Originally Posted by jinnertomcat

Anyone know what could she have been charged with ??

APPARENTLY she turned up at the hospital 4 hours after giving birth.........bull !

And I quote :

Letters found in a notebook by her bed read: "Please please help me. I'm scared but I'm trying to block all this out. Why can't it go away, why can't it go to sleep and leave me alone?"

Another read: "Why did my friend have to lose hers but I kept mine?
"Even after all the drinking and not taking care of myself, it's so unfair ... I didn't ask to have a drunk one night stand. I wish I had never laid eyes on him."

I think she should be charged with neglect at the very least - possibly even manslaughter.

And as for "I didn't ask to have a drunk one night stand" oh yes she did...........

Just an evil cow in my opinion !

jinnertomcat · 02-10-2007, 13:52

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Originally Posted by KATIEB_23

well I would have thought that those notes gave away the fact that the baby was NOT born dead... so there should be a proper investigation, and the most serious charge that could be applicable would be MURDER.

I agree that it looks like the baby was born alive. Murder however is to "kill intentionally and with premeditation" and I am not sure that this was the case at all. A baby born at home with no medical people around must surely be at a very high risk. Gross negligence it may be, but as commented above, I think that there must have been some mental health issues here.

Tragic case all around, and incredibly sad that the woman did not get more help / treatment

Yootha · 02-10-2007, 13:57

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Originally Posted by SuzukiRider

Just an evil cow in my opinion !

Takes one to know one, I suppose.

Ghostrider · 02-10-2007, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Mario78

Takes one to know one, I suppose.

I was going to say a lot worse, beleive me.

hmr44 · 02-10-2007, 14:45

It is awful, and I suspect she has mental problems but the baby had died just after giving birth, it says that in the article.

Mel's Mum · 02-10-2007, 15:03

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Originally Posted by jinnertomcat

Anyone know what could she have been charged with ??

Most likely charge would have been murder if CPS thought there was a real chance of proving that she intended at any stage during the pregnancy to do away with the baby. This charge could be argued down at court to infanticide or manslaughter dependant on psych reports.

Mel's Mum · 02-10-2007, 15:09

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Originally Posted by SuzukiRider

APPARENTLY she turned up at the hospital 4 hours after giving birth.........bull !

What dont you believe about this? Are you suggesting the baby was born more than 4 hours prior to hospital attendance or less than that? How would you know? Were you there when she gave birth?

Halibut · 02-10-2007, 15:34

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APPARENTLY she turned up at the hospital 4 hours after giving birth.........bull !

Like Mel's Mum says - why is that so hard to believe?

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Letters found in a notebook by her bed read: "Please please help me. I'm scared but I'm trying to block all this out. Why can't it go away, why can't it go to sleep and leave me alone?"

Sounds like she was scared, inadequate and alone. Is that a crime now?

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And as for "I didn't ask to have a drunk one night stand" oh yes she did...........

Really?
Have you never in your life done anything in drink and later regretted it? If the answer is 'no' then I'd suggest you're teetotal or not being honest.

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Just an evil cow in my opinion !

Inadequate and foolish quite probably, suffering from an undiagnosed mental disorder quite possibly, but evil, no I don't think so.
A woman in a situation like this needs help, not punishment and condemnation.

Womerry2 · 02-10-2007, 15:43

Absolutely right, Halibut. What a dreadful case. I don't understand why it is even being reported.

lyndix · 02-10-2007, 15:46

I myself cannot understand how anyone could do this, probably cos I love being mum to my boys and would never want to be without them.
But no-one knows what was going on inside this girls head, she was alone with no support in a situation that she was petrified about. In no way am I condoning her behaviour, but people do strange things(things they wouldn`t normally do)when they are depressed and see no way out.
She needs help!

pk014b7161 · 02-10-2007, 15:48

how can you punish her?

Mathom · 02-10-2007, 16:07

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Originally Posted by lyndix

I myself cannot understand how anyone could do this, probably cos I love being mum to my boys and would never want to be without them.
But no-one knows what was going on inside this girls head, she was alone with no support in a situation that she was petrified about. In no way am I condoning her behaviour, but people do strange things(things they wouldn`t normally do)when they are depressed and see no way out.
She needs help!

That's the thing. The same love that most parents feel for their kids and that makes them get mad at tales like this comes from the same place that this woman's depression and weird behaviour comes from. Most mums are happy to be having kids, but for some, it just brings depression - even mums who want kids sometimes feel terrible and confused about it.

What really bothers me about this is that she went to the NHS and they knew she was pregnant yet it looks like nobody checked why she hadn't sought any more ante-natal care?

Ghostrider · 02-10-2007, 17:49

To answer a question 2 people have asked after my post - I dont beleive she turned up at the hospital 4 hours after giving birth and the baby dying virtually straight away.

This is because of the comment she made "why wont it just go to sleep and leave me alone"

This implies (to me at least) that the child didnt die soon after being born.

And as for taking the body to hospital in a carrier bag - is it just me who finds that horrendous ?

Mel's Mum · 02-10-2007, 18:44

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Originally Posted by SuzukiRider

This implies (to me at least) that the child didnt die soon after being born.

Are you suggesting that the child lived for quite a while before she met her end? Surely the post mortem would have picked this fact up?