Labour Control Of Council...

longiesta · 17-05-2007, 11:07

i cant believe it... after weeks of being harrassed by councillors who urged us to vote (including you Jill Creasy) you had the opportunity to vote to decided who ran the council AND YOU ABSTAINED.

what is the point in us voting for you if you cant be bothered to use that vote when it really matters...

"In a very close vote, Independent councillor Martin Davis backed his former party the Lib Dems, while Conservative Anne Smith and Greens Jillian Creasy and Bernard Little all abstained"

disgusting

cgksheff · 17-05-2007, 11:14

I am willing to be corrected, but wouldn't a deal with either party, limit their voting choices during the year?

This way they can control the outcome of every vote that arises?
Sometimes voting with the labour group and sometimes with the LibDems?

Foot · 17-05-2007, 11:19

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Originally Posted by bornwinner

disgusting

Isn't the p!sh poor turn out of the general public even more disgusting? You don't even have to leave your house to vote these days.

sccsux · 17-05-2007, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Foot

Isn't the p!sh poor turn out of the general public even more disgusting?

No.

How can people be expected to vote, when even the elected representitives refuse to do so?

longiesta · 17-05-2007, 12:22

exactly... surely they wont have a more important issue to vote on than who actually runs the council... and they abstained..

perhaps their postal voting papers didnt come in time..

Douglas J · 17-05-2007, 20:17

In the Council Chamber, abstaining is a way of using your vote. It's not like a public election where you don't know exactly how everyone else is going to vote and one vote doesn't make any difference at all.

Missdan · 17-05-2007, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Foot

Isn't the p!sh poor turn out of the general public even more disgusting? You don't even have to leave your house to vote these days.

No you can vote from the comfort of your own home, but it would be nice to know who you are voting for before you send in your postal vote and not a week too late.

Sunhill · 17-05-2007, 23:05

The Greens slogan last year was Vote Green, Get Green. it is clear that Vote Green and get Labour is more accurate following the Council AGM this week.

I understand that the Greens have now gained a position on the Transport Authority and the Tory a Committe Chair. This did not have any link to the way they voted on Wednesday, or should that be "sat on their hands".

[QUOTE=bornwinner;2248966]i cant believe it... after weeks of being harrassed by councillors who urged us to vote (including you Jill Creasy) you had the opportunity to vote to decided who ran the council AND YOU ABSTAINED.

rubydazzler · 17-05-2007, 23:24

IIRC the Greens have always voted with Labour since they were elected anyway.

When they had a chance to improve the kerbside recycling collections by voting with the lib dems, they didn't even 'sit on their hands' which might have got something through, they still voted with Labour.

Vote Green, get Labour seems to be the truth of the matter. Anyone who voted Green and expected to see Green policies being pushed by them obviously just wasted their vote

redrobbo · 17-05-2007, 23:34

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Originally Posted by rubydazzler

IIRC the Greens have always voted with Labour since they were elected anyway.

This is not correct Rubydazzler.

I chatted to Green councillor Jillian Creasey only the other day, and she reminded me that she and her fellow Green councillor Bernard Little never vote solely in favour of one of the two major parties. For example, they both voted with the Lib-Dems over the current school proposals in the north-west of the city.

I pay particular attention to how the Green councillors vote, and can testify that they are known to vote with Labour and to vote with the Lib-Dems, and on occasions, they plough their own furrow and vote against both of these parties!

mahonia · 18-05-2007, 03:28

BANG!!!! goes the tarmac budget for S6,S8,S10,S11,S17

SimpyTimpy · 18-05-2007, 06:56

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Originally Posted by Foot

Isn't the p!sh poor turn out of the general public even more disgusting? You don't even have to leave your house to vote these days.

You want the majority of people to vote? Add a check box saying 'None of the Above' on the form, I guarantee it'll increase turnout.

rubydazzler · 18-05-2007, 07:08

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Originally Posted by redrobbo

I pay particular attention to how the Green councillors vote, and can testify that they are known to vote with Labour and to vote with the Lib-Dems, and on occasions, they plough their own furrow and vote against both of these parties!

But on what was definitely a 'green' issue they voted against? Maybe Cllr Creasey and Cllr Little should join the forum and then they could answer for themselves?

metalman · 18-05-2007, 08:06

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Originally Posted by exmrbd

BANG!!!! goes the tarmac budget for S6,S8,S10,S11,S17

I'm sure all those areas that voted in Lib Dems will see a reduction in services, and probably before the next election some sort of boundary change to include lots more Labour voters so it doesn't happen again. Maybe I'm too cynical; I'd like to be proved wrong.

Foot · 18-05-2007, 08:51

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Originally Posted by SimpyTimpy

You want the majority of people to vote?

Yes I do. Because most of you whinge, moan and bellyache about things but can't be bothered to vote and try to change the situation.

rubydazzler · 18-05-2007, 16:19

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Originally Posted by SimpyTimpy

You want the majority of people to vote? Add a check box saying 'None of the Above' on the form, I guarantee it'll increase turnout.

But what would it achieve? You'd still be represented by someone you didn't want, after all. I honestly believe that the non voting people just use the 'none of the above' mantra as an excuse for being unable to think for themselves and being too lazy to get themselves down to the polling station.

In my opinion all this dumbing down so as to be able to cyber-vote from your armchair in an attempt to get people involved is a really bad thing. I think it destroys the integrity of the ballot and could lead to fraud and intimidation on a grand scale. And as for keeping the ballot boxes uncounted overnight, it's madness. We deserve to know who's been elected asap and not be kept hanging about for the results, not to mention the danger of tampering and loss.

All the excitement's gone out of campaigning and electioneering these days, to the detriment of democracy and the electorate as a whole.

vixentdog · 18-05-2007, 18:28

Rubydazzler I have listened to the Green "group" and I have difficulty in working out where they are coming from. It appears that they are now prepared to support closing schools in Sheffield and privatising education. If not why did they allow a Labour administration back in Sheffield. I'm afraid they had the chance to use their votes and failed at the first hurdle.

Sunhill · 18-05-2007, 22:05

The Greens are not quite the political force people felt they would be, they have messed up right at the start of this important year for the city, it is clear that they have much to learn in terms of moving from a protest group to a serious political party. I remember their budget this year ignored almost all the city and had it's focus on the Council housing in sharrow and broomhall in terms of funding etc. No party Lib Dem or Labour will give in to Greens demand to spend the housing improvment funding just in those 2 areas and ignore the needs of the rest of the city.

Also I feel that by pushing away the Lib Dems this year to get a seat on the transport authority from Labour that they will lose in the long term as it is clear that the move towards the Lib Dem in the city is set to continue and the few seats that they need to take control of the Council out right may well happen next year.

Let see what deal they have done with Labour and if any of the policies that the Green are promoting are acted upon.

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Originally Posted by vixentdog

Rubydazzler I have listened to the Green "group" and I have difficulty in working out where they are coming from. It appears that they are now prepared to support closing schools in Sheffield and privatising education. If not why did they allow a Labour administration back in Sheffield. I'm afraid they had the chance to use their votes and failed at the first hurdle.

Jackdanny · 18-05-2007, 22:10

Vote "Jedi" next time

.. they are a force to be reckoned with.

max · 18-05-2007, 22:21

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Originally Posted by rubydazzler

When they had a chance to improve the kerbside recycling collections by voting with the lib dems, they didn't even 'sit on their hands' which might have got something through, they still voted with Labour.

That really is an old chestnut which I thought had been put to bed in another thread. Obviously not. The kerbside collection proposal was a part of the lib dem budget proposal which was deemed unachievable. To vote for the single issue of setting aside £1m for additional kerbside collections as proposed by the lib dems would have meant voting in their whole budget. It was the whole budget which was thrown out by the majority of parties.