My reply from the F.A.

canadablade · 27-02-2007, 18:42

Sent an e-mail as you know to the FA regarding the cheating and diving by Englands Golden Boy Steven Gerrard.
I told them that I thought he was bringing the game into disrepute.
Got the standard reply but wasn't interested in that so e-mailed again, pretty much got fobbed off again but, I will persue it again till they do something about the cheats in the game.
Heres the reply

Dear CB (Name changed to protect the innocent

),

Further to your email, Many thanks for contacting The Football
Association.

We appreciate you comments on the matter of diving and in particular
reference to Liverpool Vs Sheffield Utd.

The FA are unable to take any further action under the guidelines by
FIFA. Once a match official has given a decision on a specific incident,
the decision cannot be overturned. On this occasion the referee has
issued an apology, however the FIFA guidelines prevent The FA from
taking further action. The below outlines The FA's position on this
topic:

What are The FA's regulations on simulating/diving?

What the Laws say:

Diving/simulating is interpreted in the Laws of the Game under Law 12
Fouls and Misconduct

Decision 5 of the international board
Any simulating action anywhere on the field, which is intended to
deceive the referee, must be sanctioned as unsporting behaviour

Which in turn is a cautionable offence.

... A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of
the following seven offences...

1) is guilty of unsporting behaviour

How the referee deals with it:

Referees have a tough enough job as it is without players attempting to
deceive them to earn an advantage.

If the referee spots a simulation/dive
If the referee interprets a dive he can award a yellow card to the
offending player and a free kick to the opposition.

If the referee later views the game and decides that the player did not
actually simulate/dive and contact was made he may ask The FA to rescind
the yellow card.

If the referee misses a simulation/dive

During a game if a player from team "A" simulates/dives and manages to
dupe the referee into awarding a free kick/penalty and cause a player
from team "B" to be cautioned/sent off, the incident has been
interpreted and dealt with on the field of play.

If after viewing the match the referee decides that there was no contact
made and he had been deceived he can ask The FA to rescind the
Yellow/Red card. However no action will be taken against the player that
simulated/dived as the referee had dealt with the incident on the field
of play at the time.

The FA has led discussions with the PFA, LMA, referees and leagues on
this issue and are delighted with how seriously they are taking it.

We are also taking the debate to FIFA.

There is a definite need for close co-operation and self-policing.
Everyone in the game has to take personal responsibility if we want to
get rid of diving. It is essential that managers, players and clubs are
closely involved as they are the ones who suffer the most directly from
it. It is about players cutting it out of their game, managers refusing
to tolerate it among their own players, referees spotting it and
punishing it when it happens, and governing bodies supporting them.

Referees have a difficult job, we all know that. Some players are highly
skilled at going to ground under no or little contact. Sometimes players
simply jump out the way of a challenge, sometimes contact is difficult
to assess. The referee's task is not helped by players waving imaginary
cards, trying to get other players booked or sent off.

We appreciate your concerns on the matter and rest assured, The FA are
doing everything possible to prevent this issue from escalating.

Should you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact
us.

Koye Sowemimo | Customer Relations Assistant
The Football Association
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So according to the first bit i just read and which i told them in my e-mail, Gerrard should have got as yellow card for diving and the Blades got a free kick

blondenutter · 27-02-2007, 18:51

all players do it even the rubbish at sheffield utd and don't say they don't!

brooksy · 27-02-2007, 18:57

Wasnt it last season against west brom at the lane that utd and warnock looked like being charged by the fa.Seem to remember utd loosing and players being sent off then warnock telling players to go down ete.Funny thing memory isnt it.

Ps, CD if you need a hand understanding the letter then were all here for you man.

canadablade · 27-02-2007, 19:25

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Originally Posted by brooksy

Wasnt it last season against west brom at the lane that utd and warnock looked like being charged by the fa.Seem to remember utd loosing and players being sent off then warnock telling players to go down ete.Funny thing memory isnt it.

Ps, CD if you need a hand understanding the letter then were all here for you man.

Yeah memory is a very funny thing m8, you might wanna go see your doctor about your Alzhiemers

The West Brom / Blades match you are on about was MARCH 2002 , but whats 5 years between mates eh

canadablade · 27-02-2007, 19:26

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Originally Posted by blondenutter

all players do it even the rubbish at sheffield utd and don't say they don't!

Didnt the rubbish at hillsborough do it only this past saturday ?

Little_Alex · 27-02-2007, 19:27

You're not old Colin's B*****d son by any chance are you Canada?

He does enough moaning for the rest of the football league. Just get on with it, at least you didn't go and pay 35 quid like my mate did

Little_Alex · 27-02-2007, 19:42

Have good look at the penalty, the lad dives, arm outstretched and stops a shot on target. Penalty. I'm sure you know better from your armchair though, listening to a commentary. Sour grapes I think, Colins lad

http://www.swfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...~33771,00.html

Heyesey · 27-02-2007, 19:51

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Originally Posted by canadablade

So according to the first bit i just read and which i told them in my e-mail, Gerrard should have got as yellow card for diving and the Blades got a free kick

Wrong. Gerrard should, arguably, have got a yellow card for diving, but it was stlil a penalty. Kozluk had his arms out to block the run. That's a foul.

freyasdad · 27-02-2007, 19:58

I wonder what the response would be if it meant that wendy would be relegated or perhaps in a few years time it prevented them from getting in to the play offs.
A lot of people stick their heads in the sand and forget that Warnock is the only manager that has played pro football, is a manager and is a qualified ref.
Does this not give him a better insight as to the rules of football and how the game is played?
In any other field of work someone with those credentials would be listened to and notice taken of. Not Warnock people just want to have a go at him everytime he speaks.
All managers moan at the ref's decisions Flaws has even done it a few times but what did all you wendy fans say then? nothing.

Little_Alex · 27-02-2007, 20:18

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Originally Posted by freyasdad

A lot of people stick their heads in the sand and forget that Warnock is the only manager that has played pro football, is a manager and is a qualified ref.
Does this not give him a better insight as to the rules of football and how the game is played?
In any other field of work someone with those credentials would be listened to and notice taken of. Not Warnock people just want to have a go at him everytime he speaks.
All managers moan at the ref's decisions Flaws has even done it a few times but what did all you wendy fans say then? nothing.

Colin has little or no respect from any of the managers or referees with his childish behaviour. If he's such an authority on refereeing maybe he should consider a career change instead of whining non stop. Ref's do make mistakes but you have to get on with the game, you win some you lose some. I'm sure Uniturd benefitted from a dodgy decision recently but that doesn't count eh ?

freyasdad · 27-02-2007, 20:31

I have stated before that we have had decisions for and against this season that were wrong but one player going for one decision and getting all three dont make me laugh.
How did you lot feel then at Old Trafford when there was the extra 9 minutes?
I can tell you what wendy, you were at it for weeks but it is different for you lot though isn't it? That was one of the worst examples of refereeing i have seen in 35 years of watching football and was allowed because of who they were.
Ref's make dodgy decisions all the time and you have to question their integrity with some of them especially where Warnock is concerned.

Little_Alex · 27-02-2007, 20:55

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Originally Posted by freyasdad

I have stated before that we have had decisions for and against this season that were wrong but one player going for one decision and getting all three dont make me laugh.
How did you lot feel then at Old Trafford when there was the extra 9 minutes?
I can tell you what wendy, you were at it for weeks but it is different for you lot though isn't it? That was one of the worst examples of refereeing i have seen in 35 years of watching football and was allowed because of who they were.
Ref's make dodgy decisions all the time and you have to question their integrity with some of them especially where Warnock is concerned.

Moan, moan, moan. Don't let it get you down

freyasdad · 27-02-2007, 21:39

Well then lets let the ref's make whatever decisions they want without anybody questionig them.
The ref's aren't up to the standard required for the job they are supposed to do so how do we go on from there?

Little_Alex · 27-02-2007, 22:43

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Originally Posted by freyasdad

Well then lets let the ref's make whatever decisions they want without anybody questionig them.
The ref's aren't up to the standard required for the job they are supposed to do so how do we go on from there?

Well then it's time for an introduction for on the spot video evidence. It's the only answer. They do it in other sports, while players and managers are argueing the toss with the referee it can be evaluated by a fourth or fifth official. Sky can do a re-run in seconds flat. I've always been in favour of this for the simple reason it would not slow the game down because if a player was faking it really would jeopardise his integrity because hopefully he'd get found out and reduce the number of 'dives'. Less time chasing the ref etc by the opposition and less cards for dissent or false sending off offences too. I think it has to come but in the mean time what do we do? sack all the ref's and play no games because of their incompetence?

freyasdad · 27-02-2007, 23:23

You are completely right about video evidence.
For situations like what happened at the Emirates not so long ago what a difference having video evidence would have made.
It should only be used in big decisions ball out of play,corners,penalties etc. Most situations like this there is a break in play anyway so what is the harm?
Maybe a panel of 3 to watch video evidence a ref or two and an ex pro or two whatever the formula.
Rugby,cricket has it so why can't a multi billion pound business?
My dad made a fair point regarding this issue. He said that teams are deducted points before a ball is kicked ie Rotherham because of mis management which will likely mean they are relegated.
Cards are reduced or wiped off the records so why cant video evidence be used to wipe off wrongful goals?
It is a massive issue but we live in a society where we are still relying on methods introduced many, many years ago now how stupid is that.

Waffer · 28-02-2007, 07:58

United think all decisions should go for them. ...it was a penalty, what a fool dragging a player down right in front of the ref.

willman · 28-02-2007, 08:19

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Originally Posted by freyasdad

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Cards are reduced or wiped off the records so why cant video evidence be used to wipe off wrongful goals?
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the only problem with that is the award of a goal if an incident prior to it hadn't happened.video evidence proves soemone was fouled but the ref allowed play to go on.
in vcr playback a foul should have been given which "could" have resulted in a goal.
then what?

willman · 28-02-2007, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Waffer

United think all decisions should go for them. ...it was a penalty, what a fool dragging a player down right in front of the ref.

i didn't see the game or the highlights, but according to the pundits on 5 live on Monday. "SG did indicate to the ref he was being pulled - Kozluk was stood next to him when he complained."
Now if i was a manger the next player to miss a game would be Kozluk - how stupid can a player be.
he knows he's pulling - even slightly, he knows SG has told the ref -he knows he hasn't got the ability to stop SG legally, so he pulls his shirt again knowing full well that SG will fall like a lead balloon.
talk about set up.
the only other set up that good was Jack Ruby.

daftlad · 28-02-2007, 08:33

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Originally Posted by willman

i didn't see the game or the highlights, but according to the pundits on 5 live on Monday. "SG did indicate to the ref he was being pulled - Kozluk was stood next to him when he complained."
Now if i was a manger the next player to miss a game would be Kozluk - how stupid can a player be.
he knows he's pulling - even slightly, he knows SG has told the ref -he knows he hasn't got the ability to stop SG legally, so he pulls his shirt again knowing full well that SG will fall like a lead balloon.
talk about set up.
the only other set up that good was Jack Ruby.

Don't forget though football is supposed to be a contact sport, although in the past couple of seasons with some decisions I have seen, I am seriously beginning to wonder

mikey10 · 28-02-2007, 08:39

think the berty blunts of camel lane are getting a little twitchy. see you at hillsborough next season. the times they are a changin!!!!