The world today and the dangers of it all...

SL31 · 10-01-2007, 12:51

I was just having a discussion with some of my colleagues and we all agreed that there has always been wars, terrorism and discrimination, but I think this has been more and more prevalent over the past 15 years than say 30 years ago.

Basically it has gotten much worse over the last 15 years, one of my colleagues didnt seem to think so she believes that it has always been around since she can remember, shes 37.

In my opinion it has always been around but not as much as today.

What are your opinions.......

Twiglet · 10-01-2007, 13:06

20 plus years ago people were even more wary than now of large cities because of the IRA and their indiscriminate bombing campaign. I certainly don't think the world has got more 'dangerous' over the last 15 years.

BasilRathbon · 10-01-2007, 13:09

It's actually less dangerous but there's a much greater number of news sources, which give the impression that the world's much more dangerous. Furthermore we have a government who want to scare us all as much as possible to try and justify their illegal wars and "war on terrorism".

Stormy · 10-01-2007, 13:10

There have always been dangers out there, but the dangers are shifting and we have to be more "aware" of different things. I think mass media and the internet also makes us belive that things are more dangerous today, some of the crazy stuff we see on various video hosting internet sites, and even news sites, also happened say 30 years ago but we just didnt hear about it.

bladesufc1 · 10-01-2007, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Twiglet

20 plus years ago people were even more wary than now of large cities because of the IRA and their indiscriminate bombing campaign. I certainly don't think the world has got more 'dangerous' over the last 15 years.

the IRA aren't terrorists despite what people think!! the "A" in IRA stands for ARMY they were fighting a war against the invading British!!

(so they say anyway!!)

hoba · 10-01-2007, 15:52

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Originally Posted by bladesufc1

the IRA aren't terrorists despite what people think!! the "A" in IRA stands for ARMY they were fighting a war against the invading British!!

(so they say anyway!!)

I think that might be a debate for another thread...

banesmabes · 10-01-2007, 16:04

As has already been said I think it is people's awareness that has changed. People always talk about the old days being better, but usually they only remember the good things about the old days, and not so much the bad. If you're looking at us compared to 30 years ago, then you could also look at us compared to 65 years ago, when the country really was in danger. Thankfully we have faced nothing compared to what our grandparents faced.

DeanoGV · 10-01-2007, 23:37

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Originally Posted by bladesufc1

the IRA aren't terrorists despite what people think!! the "A" in IRA stands for ARMY they were fighting a war against the invading British!!

(so they say anyway!!)

Without question the "IRA" where classed as terrorists ( Not today of course). They where also responsible for training other terrorists in the Middle East,Africa and South America.

Heyesey · 10-01-2007, 23:41

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Originally Posted by bladesufc1

the IRA aren't terrorists despite what people think!! the "A" in IRA stands for ARMY they were fighting a war against the invading British!!

Army and terrorist are not mutually exclusive terms. The US Army committed a terrorist act in 1945, by wiping out a Japanese city in order to terrify the Japanese government into surrendering.

It may or may not be justified (both the US act in 1945, and the IRA campaign, and Al-Qaeda's actions to boot) but if the purpose of the actions is to frighten people, it's a terrorist act.

cloudybay · 10-01-2007, 23:41

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Originally Posted by DeanoGV

Without question the "IRA" where classed as terrorists ( Not today of course). They where also responsible for training other terrorists in the Middle East,Africa and South America.

And still are and do.

DeanoGV · 10-01-2007, 23:42

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Originally Posted by sarahlorna

I was just having a discussion with some of my colleagues and we all agreed that there has always been wars, terrorism and discrimination, but I think this has been more and more prevalent over the past 15 years than say 30 years ago.

Basically it has gotten much worse over the last 15 years, one of my colleagues didnt seem to think so she believes that it has always been around since she can remember, shes 37.

In my opinion it has always been around but not as much as today.

What are your opinions.......

Today everyone has an opinion about everything ( which can be positive and bring change for the better) It was only really with the reporting from CNN in the first gulf war that people started to get savvy about current affairs.

savbaby · 10-01-2007, 23:43

its not so much the world is more dangerous its just more widely publicised!
i remember when i was younger reading about these horrors that happen but only being able to read about it. Now they seem to show and print anything regardless of how it may make people feel, its shock and scare mongering tactics that the press use.
Few weeks back when those ladies were attacked by the snipers in iraq, they showed you on the news the lady being shot and then they said she was dead. You can pick up a paper now and inside there are photos of dead people which was something that never used to happen. I am not saying they should not bring this to our attention but to show the photos the way they do and not have any warning on the front of the content is ridiculous.

Pingpang · 10-01-2007, 23:44

the media hype has been stepped up loads which makes people think there's more trouble in the world, gets em scared & prepares em for next legislation to "protect your freedom"

DeanoGV · 10-01-2007, 23:46

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Originally Posted by cloudybay

And still are and do.

I am not sure that is correct. I do not see how the goverment could be brokering deals with them if it was a fact that they are involved in training camps. It would not be good for public opinion.

artisan · 10-01-2007, 23:54

At the young age of 37 she cannot remember the true terrorism.
The modern terrorists are only playing at it.
In the days of the 'Cold War' we were threatened daily, not with a few suicide bombers, but with global annihalation.
There used to be a midnight clock, telling us how many minutes we were away from being wiped out (minutes to midnight), at certain times this was two or three minutes.
It was only when we began to see more of each other, due to television etc. that things began to calm down.
Then Gorbachev came along and told the Americans to disarm, we began to relax.
However, in our relaxation, we allowed these muslims to somehow get a bit of power.
It is not a serious problem long term, but one that must be dealt with.
The current method of letting them destroy each other seems to be working up to press.

Longcol · 10-01-2007, 23:54

It's a bit like all the "controversy" today over the fact that we don't know the whereabouts of a few hundred criminals who've served their sentences abroad.

15 years ago there wasn't any register for criminals who should never be allowed to work with kids. Now there is a huge fuss because fewer than 1% of them aren't on a register.

Schools, childminders etc are subject to far more stringent regulation than ever (and I for one support it) - yet the media seem to make it appear we are at more risk than ever!

redrobbo · 10-01-2007, 23:59

Wars occuring around the world in the past 30 years.....

1960-1996 Guatemalan Civil War
1965-1996 Chad Civil War
1966-1988 Namibian War of Independence
1966-1979 Second Chimurenga (Rhodesian Bush War)
1969-Present Communist and Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines
1969-1994 The Troubles in Northern Ireland
1974-1991 Ethiopian Civil War
1975-1989 Angolan Civil War
1975-1991 Western Sahara conflict
1975-1991 Lebanese Civil War
1975-1998 War of Independence in East Timor
1975-1992 Mozambican Civil War
1975-2006 Independence War in Cabinda
1977 Libyan-Egyptian War
1977-1978 Ogaden War
1977-1991 Cambodian-Vietnamese War
1978 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon
1978-2005 The Aceh War
1978-1988 Ugandan Civil War
1979 Sino-Vietnamese War
1979-1989 Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
1980-1987 Libya-Chad War
1980-1992 El Salvador Civil War
1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War
1981 Paquisha War
1982 Falklands War
1982 Israeli Invasion of Lebanon
1983 U.S. Invasion of Grenada
1983-Present Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka
1983-2005 Second Sudanese Civil War
1984-present Free Papua Movement
1984 Siachin War
1985 Agacher Strip War
1987-1993 First Intifada
1988-Present Casamance Conflict
1988-Present Somali Civil War
1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh war
1989-1991 Mauritania-Senegal Border War
1989-1990 U.S. Invasion of Panama
1989-1997 First Liberian Civil War
1989 Romanian Revolution
1990-1991 Gulf War
1990-1994 Rwandan Civil War
1990-1998 Tuareg Rebellion
1991-2002 Algerian Civil War
1991-2001 Yugoslav Wars
a) 1991 Slovenian War
b) 1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
c) 1992-1995 Bosnian War
d) 1998-1999 Kosovo War
e) 2000-2001 Preševo valley crisis
f) 2001 Macedonia conflict
1991-1993 Georgian Civil War
1991-1992 Georgian-Ossetian Conflict
1992-1993 Georgian-Abkhaz Conflict
1991-1997 Sierra Leone Civil War
1992-1997 Tajikistan Civil War
1993-1999 Burundi Civil War
1993-Present Ethnic conflict in Nagaland, India
1994 1994 Yemeni Civil War
1994-1996 First Chechen War
1995 NATO bombing of Republika Srpska
1995 Cenepa War
1996-1997 First Congo War
1996-2006 Nepal Civil War
1998-2000 Ethiopia-Eritrea War
1998 U.S. bombings of Afghanistan and Sudan
1998 U.S. bombing of Iraq
1998-2002 Second Congo War
1999 Kargil War
1999-Present Ituri Conflict
1999 Dagestan War
1999-Present Second Chechen War
1999-2003 Second Liberian Civil War
2000-2006 Al-Aqsa Intifada
2000-Present Conflict In Laos
2001 Indo-Bangladesh Border Conflict of 2001
2001 September 11, 2001 attacks
2001-Present U.S. Invasion of Afghanistan
2001-Present Civil War in Côte d'Ivoire
2002 Gujarat violence
2003-present Balochistan conflict, Pakistan
2003-present Central African War
2003-present Darfur conflict, Sudan
2004-present Central African Republic Civil War, Central African War
2005-present Chad-Sudan conflict
2003-present Second Gulf War
2006-present Iraqi Civil War
2004-2006 Waziristan War
2004 Haiti rebellion
2005 Western Sahara Independence Intifada
2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
2006-present War in Somalia

Cliff Clavin · 11-01-2007, 00:03

The middle east problem has been around for some 40 years now, probably longer. Look at what happend with the USA in 1973ish when they'd gone past peak oil production and OPEC decided to boycott selling Oil to them, they were in trouble for a while.

artisan · 11-01-2007, 00:04

What does that mean to say Red Robbo, apart from the fact we are a warlike creature.?
Youn will not stop war by being a pacifist. Theonly way is by making peace forcefully, as in the 'Pax Britannica'

cloudybay · 11-01-2007, 00:19

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Originally Posted by savbaby

its not so much the world is more dangerous its just more widely publicised!
i remember when i was younger reading about these horrors that happen but only being able to read about it. Now they seem to show and print anything regardless of how it may make people feel, its shock and scare mongering tactics that the press use.
Few weeks back when those ladies were attacked by the snipers in iraq, they showed you on the news the lady being shot and then they said she was dead. You can pick up a paper now and inside there are photos of dead people which was something that never used to happen. I am not saying they should not bring this to our attention but to show the photos the way they do and not have any warning on the front of the content is ridiculous.

Everyday I read the Times, Telegraph, watch CNN, Sky News, Listen to BBC World Service, BBC Radio 4 and even ITV. The Press report the news. Unfortunately, dead bodies happen. It's called life. I'm glad you consider all life equal especially as it's mostly men who die for your right to survive.