Longley school OfSTED report... - Page 2

Gadgetgirl · 13-09-2006, 05:58

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Originally Posted by saxon51

Can a teacher deliver decent lessons in an atmosphere of disruption and undisciplined chaos caused by the 'novel' ideas of the powers-that-be? No! Do they get the blame for the situation? Yes! Is it their fault? No!!

a theme developing here

keep digging Saxon you'll reach deep enough soon enough

Leg-end · 13-09-2006, 09:55

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Originally Posted by bladebloke

bull s--t legend.

my eldest finished at longley 5 years ago. gave her a great start just finished at myres and left with 10 gcse passes. now at college studying psychology.

youngest went to longley too and also did very well and still doing so.
end of the day if the kid wants to learn it will and if it wants to p-ss about likewise.

I know what you're saying, i went to Longley and am now studying for my Masters, but my point was that teachers should not be held responsible for a childs behaviour, that is the parents role.

Like you say, kids that want to learn will try and do just that, but there will always be kids that don't and it is unfair for the teachers attention to be distracted as a result and for that to a) result in a bad report for the school b) give some kids a poorer start when they move up to secondary school later than kids that start at 11/12

Leg-end · 13-09-2006, 10:02

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Originally Posted by amandakm

I know that if i tell some of the kids in my school off and send a behaviour letter home that A) Dad is likely to come in and have a go at me, doesn't stop me disciplining the child, but child couldn't give a toss as has dad's back-up B) Child gets a physical 'lamping for bringing a behaviour letter home C) Mum uses behaviour letter to light her fag.

Other comments re, if the child wants to learn it will, are correct, but he/she would learn a whole lot more if the teaching didn't take place in disruptive conditions.

Some schools i have been in have had a class teacher and two teaching asisstants in some classes, just to try to ensure that some teaching an take place.

I think this is really sad. Teachers need the full backing of the parents at all times - they are helping the children, they are teaching them skills to enable them to have a good healthy life...that needs support!

chickywiggle · 13-09-2006, 11:29

well looks like the staff are fed up now to. 3 teachign posts adn a deputy heads post on the jobs site on internet today.

bladebloke · 13-09-2006, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Leg-end

I know what you're saying, i went to Longley and am now studying for my Masters, but my point was that teachers should not be held responsible for a childs behaviour, that is the parents role.

Like you say, kids that want to learn will try and do just that, but there will always be kids that don't and it is unfair for the teachers attention to be distracted as a result and for that to a) result in a bad report for the school b) give some kids a poorer start when they move up to secondary school later than kids that start at 11/12

agree with you mate. the line i was refering too as b---s--- was....

"the kids in the area are not the type to show up at school ready for a days learning."

1 or 2 naughty sods i know but majority are good kids.

Leg-end · 13-09-2006, 16:29

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Originally Posted by bladebloke

agree with you mate. the line i was refering too as b---s--- was....

"the kids in the area are not the type to show up at school ready for a days learning."

1 or 2 naughty sods i know but majority are good kids.

No worries, that was a bit of a ludicrous generalisation I made.

8balltiger · 13-09-2006, 18:45

my son goes to longley as did i (80 - 88 ). i loved the school and my results were great, (vile firth park did the damage).

my son is also doing well there, my opinion is that mr lee was nowhere near as capable head as mrs gillott in my day was, although that may be the fault of the namby pamby do-gooders who think that bad behaviour should be rewarded at the slightest hint of good, then theres the parents that go screaming blue murder every time their kid is told off.
i doubt its easy for the teachers having to teach unruly kids and the parents too

Gadgetgirl · 13-09-2006, 19:54

Mr Lee retired last Xmas mate...

8balltiger · 14-09-2006, 00:32

yes, i know, thats why i wrote was, not is.

i did learn something there, mate ...

Whatif wewin · 16-09-2006, 21:15

The very fact that the posters on this thread are having a reasonable debate proves that they care about their childrens' education.
Unfortunately the majority of parents of the distruptive children would never bother to read an ofsted report. That is where the problem lies.

Conanette · 16-09-2006, 22:13

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Originally Posted by PaulTansley

Both my children go to longley my eldest in year 3 and my youngest year 2.
I'm not sure what to think about this to be honest but Offstead know there stuff and don't lable schools on the area there in.

You do realise how little time Ofsted spend in lessons these days don't you? They DO label schools based on available paperwork. They don't get to see what happens in a school over time, they're only there for 2 days on the new inspections.

go4it · 16-09-2006, 22:35

Not sure how things have changed, but when OFSTED come into schools they send out questionnaires to the parents/ carers to ask for feedback on the school. Not having seen the Longley report I don't know whether this happened and if it did how many were sent back, but I would hazard a guess that if so the number would be very low. Thing is today you can have the best teachers in the world but a school is only as good as the parents/carers that support it. So much money is being spent on primary school kids in Sheffield, but some parents are taking the mick. Some see schools as a one stop shop, so if a child is behaving badly, it's the teachers fault because they are not meeting their needs or are bored in class. Of course the bad behaviour has nothing to do with the fact that the child's home life is unstable, mum smokes 40 a day and dad drinks heavily, swears a lot and dabbles in street violence. I really feel for the kids who do have supportive parents/carers and are suffering as a result.

rooby_roo · 16-09-2006, 22:39

Thats why we sent our son to Hillsborough instead of Longley or Shirecliffe. The percentage of decent parents is a lot higher at Hillsborough - didnt want my lad getting mixed up with skip rats.

skala · 17-09-2006, 10:33

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Originally Posted by rooby_roo

Thats why we sent our son to Hillsborough instead of Longley or Shirecliffe. The percentage of decent parents is a lot higher at Hillsborough - didnt want my lad getting mixed up with skip rats.

I dont think that is a fair comment! I went to longley and neither me or my parents are 'skip rats'. Yeah there's a few unsavoury characters but there is everywhere, even, beleive it or not, in hillsborough!

kittenta · 17-09-2006, 10:50

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Originally Posted by rooby_roo

Thats why we sent our son to Hillsborough instead of Longley or Shirecliffe. The percentage of decent parents is a lot higher at Hillsborough - didnt want my lad getting mixed up with skip rats.

My kids go to Hillsborough school and I agree that there are a lot of decentparents there and it is a good school. However there are some parents that need to learn how to control their kids and teachers that need to get their prioritys right, mostly fermo, could run a class if she had step by step instructions and shes the deputy head! I haven't yet come aross another bad teacher at the school though and the children are genereally well behaved and on time etc.

Gadgetgirl · 17-09-2006, 12:00

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Originally Posted by go4it

Not sure how things have changed, but when OFSTED come into schools they send out questionnaires to the parents/ carers to ask for feedback on the school. Not having seen the Longley report I don't know whether this happened and if it did how many were sent back, but I would hazard a guess that if so the number would be very low.

It did, we filled one in and spoke to one of the inspectors directly as to how many others did I would hazard a guess at very few.

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Originally Posted by go4it

I really feel for the kids who do have supportive parents/carers and are suffering as a result.

These will be the one's who bothered to respond to the Ofsted request and hence probably gave the school an poorer report than had we not bothered. Its a bit catch 22 really, but if the standards are improved for future generations and support and resources to teaching staff improved then it will be worth it.

saxon51 · 17-09-2006, 12:23

It might also help if those parents who care about their kids' education, - and who are aware that they aren't getting the lessons they deserve due to the minority of unruly, uncontrolled, undisciplined, uninterested, rowdy and obnoxious little devils in the classes - got onto the school/authorities concerned and complained, again and again or even threatened to withdraw their kids en masse until something was done to hand the classrooms back to the kids who deserve the education they are wanting.

In the fifties and sixties, when I was at school, I never ever remember a lesson disrupted due to the yobbish behaviour of one kid. There were none of these kids there. They were somewhere else ... somewhere special ... which allowed the kids who wanted to learn to get on with their legal right to an education. Kids who didn't want to learn didn't disrupt the class, they just quietly daydreamed and let the others get on with learning.

As long as the decent parents allow this situation to continue, then the powers that be will continue in their misguided belief that 'inclusion' works. Okay, it might for the minority of uncontrollable kids, but for the majority of capable, wellbehaved kids ..... it's a travesty .... and totally unfair.

I have typed all this as a parent, not as a member of school staff. My three sons have had to put up with the 'yobby' element at school, and I suspect that disruption due to the regular interruptions by these yobs has effected their education in some way. Not 100% sure of course, but I would be blind not to suspect it to be so.

School should be geared up for the willing, not for the unwilling. If kids come for the sole purpose of disruption, then their parents should be made to spend the day there as well to act as behaviour management of their own kids. If the parent can't come, then neither should the kid.

So come on parents, reclaim your kids' school. If you suspect, or know that your child's education is being effected by classroom disruption, then complain. Name the child who is causing the disruption in your complaint. Keep complaining until it is sorted.

Ask your child what their lessons have been like, ask them how much disruption there has been - and by whom, ask them whether they learned anything today, and if not, why not, ask them what the teacher tried to do about it.

Keep a log. Use that log as a tool when you complain.

Don't complain to the teacher. They are in the same situation as your child ... they have probably already complained several times and been told that "this is how things are now". Complain to someone higher up. If enough parents complain about two disruptive kids from a class of thirty, then someone might begin to listen. Doubtful in today's 'inclusive' atmosphere, but surely it is worth a try.

Grandad.Malky · 17-09-2006, 14:59

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Originally Posted by fox20thc

Keep up the good work and remember, a school can't fail a child its the parent who does 99% of the teaching, school supplements their education.

How true, problem is too many parents think their job ends when they pack them off to school.

Sadly the damage as already been done before they even start school, 'Give me a child at five and I will give you the man.'

PaulTansley · 17-09-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Conanette

You do realise how little time Ofsted spend in lessons these days don't you? They DO label schools based on available paperwork. They don't get to see what happens in a school over time, they're only there for 2 days on the new inspections.

Maybe so but something isn't right is it.
Offstead haven't given the report as bad as that for no reason.
I rarely venture into the school and can't really comment of what goes on but the report has to be taken serioussly instead of been damned.
Like I said its not the end of the world, think it could be improved in time.

jan2002 · 17-09-2006, 16:46

I have read the comments made with interest, but am now rather confused
My Grandaughter attends nursery at Longley and I have always had the impression of a well run nursery, with plenty of support from staff.

Is the infants school as bad as the impression I am getting from the posts ? We have no experience of the school, and I must say that my daughter is now rather worried she is not giving her child the best possible start at this school...should she move her or leave her be ?

Thanks

jan2002