what are the police doing about things that actually matter?
i have been arrested on quite a few occasions because the police man 'NEW' i was the one in a stolen car, even though i told him i had just been dropped off from coming back from milton keynes he said he was 99% sure it was me, oh it turned out it wasnt me but there was no apology, no letter saying sorry for the hassle of letting your parents know you were with the police????
but the real point is the kids, what are my legal standings if a gang of kids attacks a member of my family?can i attack them?because you will just arrest them then let them out in an hour, none of us in the area can phone the police because the kids have scanners (which i thought were illegal?)theres a white van that comes around selling drugs to them (which i thought was illegal) one of you police offficers had got out of the car to about 15 of them, then it looked like they surrounded him untill a cop van an car came up the street,i only wish my family had back-up like that, if they are willing to attack a man in uniform they will have no worry's about attacking anyone else.
there is so much i could say about your police force such as telling me to report my phone as lost when it was stolen?(trying to fiddle the numbers????0or when me and a friend found 2 little boys crying in the city centre at about 8pm, i tried to phone the police in sheffield and was put on hold,so dialling 999 because i thought it was an emergency i was told have i tried taking them to the local police station ???? come on little boys im going to take you to the police station (pf course you are,) then after 20 mins of him saying thier would be a car, none, some man came claimed he was thier granda and took them in his car, now if i hadve said im afraid i cant let you take the boys thier would have been a fight and i would have been locked up"
Originally posted by tombodojoj what are the police doing about things that actually matter?
i have been arrested on quite a few occasions because the police man 'NEW' i was the one in a stolen car, even though i told him i had just been dropped off from coming back from milton keynes he said he was 99% sure it was me, oh it turned out it wasnt me but there was no apology, no letter saying sorry for the hassle of letting your parents know you were with the police????
If you are unhappy with the way you have been treated by an officer then you are able to take his / her number and make a complaint against him / her. If it is found that you have been mistreated then action will be taken against the officer in question.
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Originally posted by tombodojoj but the real point is the kids, what are my legal standings if a gang of kids attacks a member of my family?can i attack them?because you will just arrest them then let them out in an hour
If a member of your family is assaulted then you should inform the Police. Attacking the people you believe to be the attackers would be a criminal offence in the exact same way their attack against your family member is.
Taking the law in to your own hands in a vigilante style is never an answer and may end up with you yourself facing prosecution.
You are permitted to come to the aid of someone being assualted if you witness this in progress. This doesn't mean you can 'attack' the attacker, but you may use reasonable force to stop the attack taking place. This is dodgey ground though, so in these situations it's better to let the Police handle it.
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Originally posted by tombodojoj none of us in the area can phone the police because the kids have scanners (which i thought were illegal?)
Scanners are legal as long as they are used for legal activities. Listening to Police frequencies is not legal but is very hard to catch and prove.
The people in your area using scanners shouldn't stop you from calling the Police if a crime is taking place though. Unless you are using mobile or cordless telephones and the people with the scanners are monitoring all frequencies 24/7 then you shouldn't be at too great a risk of being listened in on.
You can also report crimes to the Police anonymously or via crime stoppers or at a Police station.
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Originally posted by tombodojoj theres a white van that comes around selling drugs to them (which i thought was illegal)
This is illegal, but if the Police aren't made aware of this then they stand less chance of catching those responsible.
The best way to deal with this would be to take details of the van such as times of delivery, number plate, people involved etc. The more information the better. BUT BE CAREFUL!
If the Police are provided with this information they will take action which may lead to the arrest of the people involved or further investigation, which again would lead to their arrest.
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Originally posted by tombodojoj one of you police offficers had got out of the car to about 15 of them, then it looked like they surrounded him untill a cop van an car came up the street,i only wish my family had back-up like that, if they are willing to attack a man in uniform they will have no worry's about attacking anyone else.
You ARE backed up like that. The Police are here for you as a member of the public just as much as they are here for their collegue in the situation you gave as an example.
It sounds like you are facing many troubles, caused by people who sound quite intimidating and dangerous, but the only way these people will be stopped is if people like yourself and the community around you work with the Police. If this happens the Police are a lot stronger and able to offer a better service to you and remove people like this from the street.
tombodojoj, you sound like you are angry with the Police because they appear to be failing you, but if you speak to them they will listen and help.
People will always complain when something is wrong and say nothing when things are going right.. that's human nature, and the reason everyone seems to be doing nothing but complaining
I know the feeling of powerlessness with the Police.. it's not just Sheffield's police force, it's the whole concept of the 'system', unfortunately.
Most bobbies are doing the best they can with the tools they've been given.
Still, knowing that doesn't make you feel any better when your mates get mugged/beaten up
People are always going to get mugged / beaten up. It is incumbent on us all not only to avoid overtly dangerous situations wherever possible, but to report any suspicious behaviour or crime to the Police ASAP to give them the opportunity to do something about it. They cannot work effectively in the vacuum that too many people leave them in.
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Actually this goes for the entire police force of England who I imagine are pretty much the same as those in Sheffield, and with a start like that you just know the news is not going to be good.
What are they there for? What do they do? Well - I know what they do some of the time - but are they really as useless or powerless as they would have us believe? They cannot seem to do anything about shoplifters, violent crime, burglary, and so on.
Every single day I see at least half a dozen crimes taking place, either at work or while out. I see kids from the pub speeding about like they have a drunken deathwish - not a policeman in sight. I see gangs of youths bullying, vandalising, terrorising, drinking alcolhol, stealing, swearing, and generally behaving worse than animals - but no police.
I see a driver ahead of me following all the road signs and sticking to the law, but oops - he exceeds the limit by a few miles and gets a damned big fine courtesy of a speed camera - still not a policeman in sight.
Everyone I talk to has absolutely no faith in the police force whatsoever. And I mean everyone - yound to old, males and females. Every single person I speak to with no faith whatsoever in the Sheffield police - because they are never there. They are not there to see the mad motorist driving the wrong way on a main road. They are not there while a gang set about beating the hell out of a handicapped person. They are not where the crimes are, and that is damned difficult as there are crimes everywhere all the time.
You get burgled. You know who did it. You have a witness. The police find what is 99% likely to be your property in the posession of those accused, and what do they do - well nothing.
As far as my experiences go, it's not the police who are the trouble.
The police must deal with so much cr*p every day, but however hard they work, they can't effect what's going to happen in the courts.
We had a bit of bother a couple of years ago, and a couple of bobbies came out and caught the skeffy, Lambert-smoking, logo-covered-cap-and-jogging-bottom-wearing idiot who was responsible for it, and took him away.
A month or so later he was due in court, we went to the hearing as we were due compensation for damage caused, and the skef didnt turn up.
So he didnt have to pay, we didnt get the compensation, the police work that night was a waste of time, and the guy is still out on the street.
The Police wont be so keen to race out to every car break-in or bus-stop vandalism, cos they know theres little chance of doing any good. It sucks when your on the receiving end of that sort of thing, yeah, but it's the way it is.
It's gotta be hard knowing that, as a copper, you do your job all day only to find that it's all in vain cos the scum you catch get away scot free when it gets to court.
The only people who should not like the police are the people who get into trouble with them. It's a shame that's not how people feel.
The only thing that I really hate is the constant attack on speeding motorists. Lets drop that revenue raising cr*p now eh?
Originally posted by Nosferatu Actually this goes for the entire police force of England who I imagine are pretty much the same as those in Sheffield, and with a start like that you just know the news is not going to be good.
What are they there for? What do they do? ...
I despair.
Nosferatu
The Real Undead
The Police (and I am not one of their natural sympathisers) never, or rarely are credited with all they crime they do prevent.
Try getting rid of the police force if you believe them to be as futile as you say.
To my mind there should be two police forces. One responsible for policing, keeping the peace, and another one entirely as an investigative organisation with no powers of arrest.
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Over the last 3 nights in our leafy tree lined suburb of parson cross we have had 3 cars nicked and one torched, the latter causing an explosion which shot a bolt through the windows of the house opposite(nothing new there i hear you cry,after all its the cross)
while the second and third car thefts were in progress,the good men and true of the street were trying to get the police to aprehend the culprits by giving commentary to them on the location of these chretins but to no avail.
the first car was located stripped out in wincobank by the owner, the second one is still missing(worth pointing out they used this one to cruise about locating the third one to nick) and where are the boys in blue? in hot pursuit? not likely, too busy checking tax discs no doubt in a safer area.
Dont get me wrong im not anti police, but when i go to collect my wife from work late at night,ive only travelled 100 yards before i get the blue flashing light treatment and the third degree about where ive been,what im doing where im going,and oh yes,the close examination of the tax disc,meanwhile your pulled up on the side of the road and half a dozen astras go screaming past overloaded with youths and broadcasting the latest rap tunes to the whole estate.it makes you wonder where the priorities lie.
over the last few months it has seemed to me that to prevent myself being delayed in the early hours of the morning i should deck my car with full body kit ,carlos fandango super wide wheels,do a couple of handbrake turns on the way and take my tax disc off,oh and maybe blagg a few houses en route then report it myself,one sure fire way of making sure theres no bobbies about.
getting stopped is a hazard of driving i accept that, but one week before christmas i was stopped 5 nights out of seven,two of those was by the same bloke.pity they werent as keen when it was stolen,never stopped it then did ya?
come on lads,give us a break we suffer enough living round here,we look to you give us some sort of security.
which has more points value, the untaxed car or the recovery of mrs bloggs posessions(with the arrest of the scumbags that burgled her)
have a nice day ya'll
Originally posted by Guest My car was broken into about 2 weeks ago. First they send me a "Victim of Crime" letter and leaflet. The leaflet is meant to include details of the detective investigating my case, his/her phone number etc. but it was actually blank! Also, today I received some unsolicited mail from the Police offering me a discount on a Wheel lock! Well the thieves that smashed in to my car just wanted the stereo, so what's the use of a wheel lock?!
