Please remember that the police in South Yorkshire do not have enough officers, proof of this came to me as my mums murderer was found hanging from a tree by a member of the public and not uniformed officers.
The thing that got me annoyed the most that he was found only 10 mins away from the incident and his car 'reg plate' was supposed to be on a nationwide search. For those who know SHEFFIELD very wel the murder took place in 2001 near far lees pub and the guy was found 2 days after by The Bridge Inn by the ford in ridgeway.
I dont blame the officers on the look-out for him, but i do blame the Head of the investigation for not releasing any details on the person who did it or a photo of him, yet the Sheffield Star printed a photo of my mum and cut the assailant out.
Anyway even tho I went slightly off topic, please dont slag off the bobbies, blame their boss!
I can verify that the local constabulary are not worth paying the rates for.......Recently I actually caught some one breaking into my car ..I detained them until the police arrived...40 mins....This person was well known to the officers who arrived, they were on first name terms...the senior officer then said to the lad lets get you home....He recieved a free taxi ride in a patrol car...Probably looked good for all his mates....I was informed that no prosecution would take place because they could not prove he actually intended taking the vehicle.......some time later I saw the said person in the street ...he just started grinning....So I gave him a few well aimed blows.......It made me feel a lot better....Later I recieved a visit from the police as the lad had reported me for assualt.......It was then that I decided to play same system criminals use "it was not me officer I have'nt been out all day" !!!!!!..As there were no witnesses they could not prosecute .........Just goes to show does'nt it.
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From a publican's point of view I have found the police to be governed by red tape. I had a pub which was raided by police as part of operation impact to try to find drugs on customers. Nothing was found. Word spread in the neighbourhood about the raid and we had all our windows smashed, car damaged and building grafittied because of this. The police did nothing. I complained to the highest level and the police in the lower ranks admitted that we should have been helped by the police to help pay for the damage and communication should have been better.
Other officers said we should have CCTV installed so these terrible criminals could have been caught. Not helpful.
The thing is, in a control issue pub, you don't raid it, you treat it sensitively. The raid caused so many problems it made matters worse. We left there eventually.....disillusioned by the lack of support from the police.
One team of officers said that we should call them all the time so the more calls they get, the more officers would be deployed to that area and they'd get more funding. One team of officers complained that we were calling all the time and then complained to the licensing police to say we were not managing the pub properly.
Communication among the police force is appalling. I resent paying Council tax to support them. Any problems in the pub now (and there are very very few....Classic Rock Bar is a different pub to the one I'm talking about above....tuxedoblue....) and we sort it out ourselves, no point ringing the police, they are hopeless and helpless.
And the point about the time it takes to get through on the switchboard, I would like to support. Very slow service.
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the one occassion I have had to use Sheffield police, my girlfriend had seen someone acting suspiciously as she got home from work. We looked out , and saw the bloke climb through someone's ground floor window! Rang the police - on hold for ages, but once finally got through, they sent round at least 4 cars, with probably 8-10 officers - within a couple of minutes. Turned out he said it was his house, so they left - still no explanation why he had been climbing through his own window! so no complaints there on response time.
still makes me sick when you hear stories like here - of officers being on first name terms with crims, and giving them afree lift home.
if they were up in court on the 1st offence, not just given a stern ticking off and a license to do it again whenever they like.
this isn't to blame the police for it - it is probably more to do with the politicians, legal system, and paperwork.
Originally posted by SheffieldLive Please remember that the police in South Yorkshire do not have enough officers, proof of this came to me as my mums murderer was found hanging from a tree by a member of the public and not uniformed officers.
Originally posted by Classic Rock From a publican's point of view I have found the police to be governed by red tape......(snip) tuxedoblue....)
Wow I remember that pub - used to live in Vincent Road and personally experienced the level of crime around there a few times with various cars/houses... scary place - did wonder who ran that place and what the clientel were like...
On topic - I recently stopped a gang of youths breaking into a neighbour's car at 4:30 outside my flat (which is what I believe to be in a 'good' area of town, but I guess all the more reason for criminals to come looking) - the SY police took 45 mins to arrive... I called them as the incident was taking place, but unfortunately, being 2 floors up, the kids escaped. I gave a description etc, and the officer left a note... can't imagine much came of that, but I really did think they'd turn up sooner and I'd be watching American-Stylee cop-handcuffing-kid-on-floor-in-struggle scenario.
Originally posted by SheffieldLive Please remember that the police in South Yorkshire do not have enough officers, proof of this came to me as my mums murderer was found hanging from a tree by a member of the public and not uniformed officers.
The thing that got me annoyed the most that he was found only 10 mins away from the incident and his car 'reg plate' was supposed to be on a nationwide search. For those who know SHEFFIELD very wel the murder took place in 2001 near far lees pub and the guy was found 2 days after by The Bridge Inn by the ford in ridgeway.
I dont blame the officers on the look-out for him, but i do blame the Head of the investigation for not releasing any details on the person who did it or a photo of him, yet the Sheffield Star printed a photo of my mum and cut the assailant out.
Anyway even tho I went slightly off topic, please dont slag off the bobbies, blame their boss!
SheffieldLive,
I'm so so sorry to hear about this
Thinking of you, Pippa
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Originally posted by spook1210 Thanks for that informed comment and thanks for labelling me as corrupt. It's comments like that that make you really glad to be serving the public.
Very clever. And a moderator too - sheesh.
Sorry to genralise, but in the past I've had a policeman try to pin my brother down for a crime that the police knew full well he didn't commit, just because the policeman in question made the mistake of not properly introducing himself.
My brother was cleared in court, and the magistrate even said that the policeman was in the wrong. However, when an official complaint was made against the policeman, the complaint was dismissed because the complaints authority said that the policeman conducted himself in the correct manner. Not even so much as an apology was given.
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My brother was pulled over on Abbeydale Road a month ago by an unmarked car and two squad cars for a breath test, fair enough, it was around midnight, when the pubs of closed so in theory he could have been.
The female officer who was driving the unmarked car did all the talking and kept accusing him of drink driving before he had taken the test. Using phrases such as 'Yeah you look the sort' and 'I can smell it on your breath', my brother took the test and ironically enough was cleared.
Now heres the fun bit, my brother and his passenger felt a little aggrieved by the treatment from the female officer so they asked for her badge number, to which the male officer from one of the squad cars told him to 'shut up before I decide to charge you with something else.' He was then told that the police will be watching him from now on beacuse he 'looks the type who could get himself in bother', which my brother took as a thinly veiled threat.
My brother got all three number plates off the cars and reported it the next day, one month later, still no response.
This comment is a little different to the others. Last night there was an incident outside my block of flats which resulted in a young girl calling the police, they never showed and for once I was so happy.
We have a major problem with kids in our area causing distruction to anything in their way, verbally abusing people, smashing bus stops, windows, setting fires, blowing up phone boxes etc...
Well last night some bloke must have finally flipped and it looks as though he punched one of these "girls" I say girls but with the way they act they are more like animals. Anyway they are screaming "I'm only effing 13" etc. They are shouting up to my block of flats "call the police please" I didn't,and nobody on my landing did, in the end they had to call them themselves, the police must think like us because they never showed.
I laughed to myself when I heard these girls disbelief that people had looked on and walked away and not bothered to call the police. All I can say is 1 down, only another 30+ to go.
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On the few occasions I have had dealings with the SY Police they seem to be reasonable and done the job OK. Trouble is I think their job now is more about avoiding any claims/compliants than actually taking things forward. Big part is because of the red tape.
Did anyone see the repeat of Early Doors on Beeb 2 last night? Top show and I can't help thinking the 2 plods on there are not so rare in reality.
What people need to remember is there is a chain of command. I guess there are a couple of bad eggs in the force, it is the same anywhere. But many are decent hard working folk - they wouldn't choose such a difficult career otherwise.
But the beat bobbies don't get a say in where they go, that's higher up the level.
Originally posted by spook1210 Well if all you can do is sit on your arse and whinge then more fool you. If and I stress if that is how you've been treated then pursue the complaint.
I am not condoning any of the aforementioned incidents but we are only hearing the posters version. Sidla, I used to be a student and thought I was open minded until I joined the job and then realised what a sheltered upbringing i'd had.
It's not nice when people regularly gob off at you but that's how it is. It's also understandable if not excusable if the old bill get a bit ratty with joe public sometimes.
The incident about the breath test does sound naughty i agree, I deal with people how I would like to be treated but not everyone's the same. There are cops out there who I wouldn't pass the time of day with but i'm sick of hearing that we're all corrupt fascists - sweeping generalisations help no one and are just a show of ignorance.
I accept that not all police will act in the ways of the afore-mentioned cases. You may well be one of the good guys. It's not the conduct of the majority of the police force that concerns me, it's the management system that concerns me.
In the previous case concerning my brother, he was told that none of the evidence from the court case was allowed to be considered when the complaint was investigated. This is daft, the magistrates (who are unbiased) even said that the poilceman concerned did wrong. However it was left up to an official police body (who are seemingly biased towards the police) to decide that the policeman in question did no wrong. You can't tell me that justice has been done? In fact I recently heard that the policeman concerned recieved promotion.
I could go into this further and say that whenever I'm home the police have started monitoring my movements more closely (maybe to try and pin something on me), but I'm not sure wether it's paranoia or not yet. I'm sure the police didn't use to follow me as much as they do now...
Before this whole incident our family used to speak highly of the police, but now we're all in the same frame of mind.
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Originally posted by Phanerothyme Speeding Kills. Burglary very rarely does.
Very good point Phan! Motorists remember this next time you are caught speeding and are saying "I was only 2mph over the speed limit, why aren't the police catching real criminals, motorists are being persecuted, blah, blah, blah, zzzzzzz."
Speeding is against the law, burglary is against the law. Both are contemptible..........don't do it!
. For those who know SHEFFIELD very wel the murder took place in 2001 near far lees pub and the guy was found 2 days after by The Bridge Inn by the ford in ridgeway.
