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17-02-2014, 14:27   #1
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What is it with employers nowadays, I sent well over 250 applications out and only 2 replies. and they are agencies for jobs that don't exist
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17-02-2014, 14:32   #2
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What did you expect to receive?

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17-02-2014, 14:35   #3
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at least some acknowledgement to say that they have received my application.
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17-02-2014, 14:51   #4
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If they receive hundreds of unsolicited cv's every day, you expect them to take the time and cost to send replies?

If they are applications for advertised jobs I'd hope for at least an email response.
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17-02-2014, 15:04   #5
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at least some acknowledgement to say that they have received my application.
In an ideal world yes. In the real world though where they might receive hundreds of applications for one job you really expect them to waste their time replying to them all?
Bllx to that. When I need to recruit someone new only those selected for an interview get any contact. Most applications end up in the bin, of those many don't even get read as a cursory examination reveals spelling mistakes or painful formatting.

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17-02-2014, 15:15   #6
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I'm in the same position i'm desperate for employment and not getting anywhere with it all you can do is keep trying and i know how depressing it is as it get me down as-well but keep going and something will come along
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17-02-2014, 18:10   #7
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I have applied for jobs that I have over 30 years experience fit all the criteria live within a short distance and have references that back all experience up yet still no acknowledgement. It winds me up.
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i know how you feel it winds me up to seems like no employers will give us a chance someone said to me why dont you try a charity shop to gain experience but when your desperate for money just to live all you can do is keep applying im getting to my last tether with it and dont know what else to do
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17-02-2014, 20:01   #9
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What is it with employers nowadays, I sent well over 250 applications out and only 2 replies. and they are agencies for jobs that don't exist
If you have applied for 250 jobs it generally means that:

1) a large amount of the jobs you were not suitably qualified to do and applied for them as a punt. There's no way, unless you're talking about a 4 year period, that you were qualified for 250 jobs in the city of Sheffield.

2) you are sending out a generic CV/ covering letter to each one without paying special attention to the job description and person specification.

Regarding point 2, consider having to trawl through 50 applications for a single job. Any which have not bothered to tailor their CV and covering letter for the role advertised I am not even going to bother considering.

Narrow your search and personalise your applications even if it means walking in to places to introduce yourself to the management.

You also state that you are not hearing back from jobs for which you have 30 years experience and exceptional references. This can only mean that your applications are awful. Get a professional to look over your CV as something is clearly wrong

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17-02-2014, 22:02   #10
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I'm not sure that many jobs are actually filled in the traditional way (applying for an advertised vacancy).

It's more about who you know which may seem unfair but the reality is you have to get out there and meet people. Use LinkedIn/Facebook to contact ex-colleagues and managers. Invite the successful/influential ones out for coffee. As per a previous post, volunteer, get experience and meet new people.

Also why not consider starting your own business. It's not difficult and you don't need an original idea. There are plenty of replicatable businesses out there
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17-02-2014, 23:19   #11
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Also why not consider starting your own business. It's not difficult and you don't need an original idea. There are plenty of replicatable businesses out there
I wonder how much people realistically earn from this kind of thing...

http://fiverr.com

Maybe not so much; but if you can come up with something that's largely automated, and do a high volume of low value sales, that doesn't take up your whole day...

You know, it's a start, and who knows where it may lead. Seems better that spending time applying for jobs.
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18-02-2014, 11:50   #12
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If you have applied for 250 jobs it generally means that:

1) a large amount of the jobs you were not suitably qualified to do and applied for them as a punt. There's no way, unless you're talking about a 4 year period, that you were qualified for 250 jobs in the city of Sheffield.

2) you are sending out a generic CV/ covering letter to each one without paying special attention to the job description and person specification.

Regarding point 2, consider having to trawl through 50 applications for a single job. Any which have not bothered to tailor their CV and covering letter for the role advertised I am not even going to bother considering.

Narrow your search and personalise your applications even if it means walking in to places to introduce yourself to the management.

You also state that you are not hearing back from jobs for which you have 30 years experience and exceptional references. This can only mean that your applications are awful. Get a professional to look over your CV as something is clearly wrong
What line of business are you in anyway? It's obvious you have your own company and before you judge this person.....
1/ You don't even know what his qualifications are without asking
2/ You don't know if his CV is just a standard one or whether he has had one done by a professional
3/ Have you even looked at what jobs are genuine and what are available?
4/How do you even know his applications are awful? Were you there when he applied for jobs?
5/He is obviously applying for jobs he is qualified to do, he wouldn't apply for something he can't do
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18-02-2014, 12:59   #13
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I wonder how much people realistically earn from this kind of thing...

http://fiverr.com

Maybe not so much; but if you can come up with something that's largely automated, and do a high volume of low value sales, that doesn't take up your whole day...

You know, it's a start, and who knows where it may lead. Seems better that spending time applying for jobs.
I'd agree on the whole but to be successful I think you need an enterprise where you add value through your own time and effort. Anything automated via the internet is unlikely to be highly lucrative unless you have an original idea. If duplicating what's out there you have to add value to be on the money.

There are lots of network marketing businesses that are low entry in terms of cost but very successful for individuals prepared to put the graft in but unfortunately few will. Companies like Avon, Betterware, Kleeneze, Herbalife and Utility Warehouse have a system and if you follow it the cash will come.

Absolutely agree that doing something is better than waiting for the offers to come in
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18-02-2014, 13:25   #14
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What line of business are you in anyway? It's obvious you have your own company and before you judge this person.....
1/ You don't even know what his qualifications are without asking
2/ You don't know if his CV is just a standard one or whether he has had one done by a professional
3/ Have you even looked at what jobs are genuine and what are available?
4/How do you even know his applications are awful? Were you there when he applied for jobs?
5/He is obviously applying for jobs he is qualified to do, he wouldn't apply for something he can't do
Who says he is judging anyone?

It sounded like good advice to me, perhaps the OP should take head and also be grateful that this person has spend the time taken to respond.
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18-02-2014, 13:34   #15
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The other day I spent hours filling in an application, revising and then taking a test. Only to be then emailed afterwards to say that they had already previously filled the position but thanks for taking the time to apply.

At least I got an acknowledgment I suppose...

I pretty much always get a response from an employer to tell me that they have received my application, even if it is an automated generic response. I'd say I only get about a third of responses to tell me if I have or haven't got to the interview stage. And I'd say I get an interview about 1 in every 30 or so applications.
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18-02-2014, 19:27   #16
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If you have applied for 250 jobs it generally means that:

1) a large amount of the jobs you were not suitably qualified to do and applied for them as a punt. There's no way, unless you're talking about a 4 year period, that you were qualified for 250 jobs in the city of Sheffield.

2) you are sending out a generic CV/ covering letter to each one without paying special attention to the job description and person specification.

Regarding point 2, consider having to trawl through 50 applications for a single job. Any which have not bothered to tailor their CV and covering letter for the role advertised I am not even going to bother considering.

Narrow your search and personalise your applications even if it means walking in to places to introduce yourself to the management.

You also state that you are not hearing back from jobs for which you have 30 years experience and exceptional references. This can only mean that your applications are awful. Get a professional to look over your CV as something is clearly wrong
I would admit some of the jobs in the 250 are no good for me but that's out of desperation. I have had a C.V professionally made.I am registered with all the job sites that the job center advises to which most are agency's. No other jobs are available on the net and I am not in a financial position now due to low income ( benefits of 17.34 a week ) to go traveling around to firms besides when I do go to firms they always say drop your c.v in to them.
I understand that some employers get inundated with applications to which it would not hurt to have a automatic response to requests to say if you have not heard after 7 days consider yourself unsuccessful.
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Are you talking about electronic applications, or posting your CV?
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19-02-2014, 09:31   #18
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I would admit some of the jobs in the 250 are no good for me but that's out of desperation. I have had a C.V professionally made.I am registered with all the job sites that the job center advises to which most are agency's. No other jobs are available on the net and I am not in a financial position now due to low income ( benefits of 17.34 a week ) to go traveling around to firms besides when I do go to firms they always say drop your c.v in to them.
I understand that some employers get inundated with applications to which it would not hurt to have a automatic response to requests to say if you have not heard after 7 days consider yourself unsuccessful.
I completely agree. It's a poor show if an employer can't be bothered to reply in some way. After all if you've taken the time to apply they should find the time to respond. I don't think it's acceptable not to respond especially if the company has posted the vacancy and you've done everything they asked. That said, it's not likely to change and it's not worth spending time worrying about it as it won't help you achieve your objective of finding employment.

So, to return to the original question, what are you going to do differently? If 250 applications haven't resulted in a job then another 250 aren't likely to. And automating the process, which will mean your applications are less personal, is not likely to improve your chances although it may mean you spend less time applying. So something different needs to be tried. Which returns me to the points on my previous posts about networking with people you know and looking at self employment
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Are you talking about electronic applications, or posting your CV?
I am talking about the on-line applications. Through the likes of job sites.

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I completely agree. It's a poor show if an employer can't be bothered to reply in some way. After all if you've taken the time to apply they should find the time to respond. I don't think it's acceptable not to respond especially if the company has posted the vacancy and you've done everything they asked. That said, it's not likely to change and it's not worth spending time worrying about it as it won't help you achieve your objective of finding employment.

So, to return to the original question, what are you going to do differently? If 250 applications haven't resulted in a job then another 250 aren't likely to. And automating the process, which will mean your applications are less personal, is not likely to improve your chances although it may mean you spend less time applying. So something different needs to be tried. Which returns me to the points on my previous posts about networking with people you know and looking at self employment
As I am claiming benefits I have to be seen actively looking for work and must apply for as many jobs as are suitable but after one week all the jobs for my experience have all dried up so nothing available to apply for.
I am unable to start my own business as I have no capital to start and also was bankrupt in the past.
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19-02-2014, 14:28   #20
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As an employer I think you need to understand some of the basics of running a business.

My number one job is to ensure I have enough cash coming in to pay my overheads (including wages; which, BTW, is my most favorite payment I make every month).

At the end of the day, I employ people for my benefit, not the other way round. I am the one who takes all the risks and, if things go wrong, the buck stops with me.

As Barrie says earlier in the thread, I have neither the time, or patience, to reply to those who simply blind copy me (and every man and his dog) because it does not give me any confidence that the individual really wants to work for me, rather they simply wanting a job (which is admirable in its own right, but is not enough). Employing people is time consuming, costly and I need to know that the person applying is right for me.

So, to the OP, you need to get into the mindset of the employer. What is it you have to offer, over and above anyone else? If you cannot answer that question of yourself, then don't even bother applying for that job. If they do not reply, then they were never right for you in the first place.

I wish you every luck in finding gainful employment...what about working for yourself?
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