Blair says deport foreign prisoners

pk014b7161 · 03-05-2006, 13:26

blair says we should deport all foreign prisoners, who are guilty of serious crimes & hopes he gets support across the benches ,well lets hope he gets some support, to sort out this mess where in. can we stop being soft touch britain . if they cant abide by our laws then kick them out .weve got enough crime without importing any more.

Abdul · 03-05-2006, 13:28

Just in time for the local elections!

Yaaayyyy!!!!

GO TONY BLAIR

I promise you, once the elections are over, this issue will be swept under the carpet

Kthebean · 03-05-2006, 13:29

What I dont understand is the mechanism has always been there for deporting foriegn prisonners. Why are the judges not specifying it at the trial as is their right?

Who are these asylum boards who are allowing murderers and rapists back on the streets when by rights they should be deported?

Is it the same judges that are handing out millions of pounds of compensation for people that slip on floors or find a mis-shapen smartie in their pack?

Andy · 03-05-2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by kathythebean

What I dont understand is the mechanism has always been there for deporting foriegn prisonners. Why are the judges not specifying it at the trial as is their right?

I understand that the judge can recommend deportation as part of the sentence, but if he does not then the case should be reviewed by the Home Office who can apply to the courts for the criminal to be deported.

Of the 1000 or so "missing" people, 160 had been recommended for deportation by the judge at their trial. The problem has arisen because the Prison Service apparantly haven't been keeping proper records of the whereabouts of foreign prisoners in the system.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4940828.stm explains it quite well.

My opinion: It's a disgrace and Charles Clarke should resign. Given that he apparantly has the Prime Minister's full support, I suspect we'll see the back of him in the next few days.

upholder · 03-05-2006, 18:28

Keeps the asylum figures down which is what we the public want, as soon as they get a whiff of deportation they claim asylum.

Government guidelines

As usual the government are only seen to be tackling a problem as a result things just get worse.

kay_cee · 03-05-2006, 18:31

Personally, I think they should be deported back to their home country immediatly after the trial in order to serve their prison sentance there.
What are we doing paying for their upkeep in prison???

pk014b7161 · 03-05-2006, 19:05

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Originally Posted by kay_cee

Personally, I think they should be deported back to their home country immediatly after the trial in order to serve their prison sentance there.
What are we doing paying for their upkeep in prison???

its a pity the powers that be, dont share the same opinion

English Glory · 03-05-2006, 19:38

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Originally Posted by kay_cee

Personally, I think they should be deported back to their home country immediatly after the trial in order to serve their prison sentance there.
What are we doing paying for their upkeep in prison???

The nations have exported their rapist/paedophile/murdering chaff to an easy refuge country as the UK is, they aren't going to want them back.

That doesn't stop the fact that none of them have floated a raft to get to the UK and as such they should be sent to the first - or in most cases one of the several european nations they got ushered across to wide-open Blighty when they first came here when their home nation is having trouble.

The Italian and French public working goats especially will only make it easy for them to come back here again, but it's the principle of the matter.

Until the immigration system is sorted out this will continue to happen.

"I promise you, once the elections are over, this issue will be swept under the carpet"

Actually it's only once Charles Clarke resigns that the issue will be over as he's not up to the job. This is a scandal that has cross-party support but, more importantly it has sickened the nation and has nothing to do with the locals - there's been one rape too many which could have been saved from happening under a competent Government - alas, Labour isn't so.

The Prescott affairs will be over after the election, until this horrific Home Office debacle is sorted and there's a rightful resignation it will just run and run.

depoix · 03-05-2006, 20:05

there will allways be some solicitor that will find a loophole to keep them here,after all,they have become the solicitors bread and butter cases nowadays

Jake01 · 03-05-2006, 20:24

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Originally Posted by depoix

there will allways be some solicitor that will find a loophole to keep them here,after all,they have become the solicitors bread and butter cases nowadays

Cherie Blair is one of the worst offendors for this.... mad really, he's trying to deport them and she id trying to keep them here.... what a well matched pair and what a mint they make from the state.

redrobbo · 03-05-2006, 20:25

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Originally Posted by kathythebean

What I dont understand is the mechanism has always been there for deporting foriegn prisonners. Why are the judges not specifying it at the trial as is their right?

Who are these asylum boards who are allowing murderers and rapists back on the streets when by rights they should be deported?

Is it the same judges that are handing out millions of pounds of compensation for people that slip on floors or find a mis-shapen smartie in their pack?

You confuse two separate matters kathythebean. Asylum Boards have nothing to do with the current debacle.

When a foreign national has been convicted of a serious crime, the judge, when sentencing, can make a recommendation that the convicted criminal be deported at the end of their sentence. These recommendations have to all intents and purposes been overlooked by Home Office staff. So, instead of reviewing the judge's recommendation for deportation, the criminals have been released back into British society at the end of their sentence.

Tony Blair is now suggesting that deportation should be mandatory. I have a lot of sympathy with that view. It is my opinion that having been convicted of a serious offence, any foreign criminals should forfeit the right to remain as a guest in my country, and should be deported to their country of origin. If the convicted criminal has a spouse and family, then they would be at liberty to remain in the UK or to leave as well.

depoix · 03-05-2006, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Jake01

Cherie Blair is one of the worst offendors for this.... mad really, he's trying to deport them and she id trying to keep them here.... what a well matched pair and what a mint they make from the state.

they cant go wrong,a foot in each camp,and a finger in a lot of pies

depoix · 03-05-2006, 20:44

[QUOTE

Tony Blair is now suggesting that deportation should be mandatory. I have a lot of sympathy with that view. It is my opinion that having been convicted of a serious offence, any foreign criminals should forfeit the right to remain as a guest in my country, and should be deported to their country of origin. If the convicted criminal has a spouse and family, then they would be at liberty to remain in the UK or to leave as well.[/QUOTE]isnt tony blair now taking a leaf out of the bnp,s book regarding convicted imigrants ? if clarke,s cock up had not been made public it would more than likely never have been mentioned by blair. its a vote catcher,if he gets back in it will be swept under the carpet,and clarke will be sacked as a scapegoat,only to return by the back door a short time later,just as others have done in the past

Bartfarst · 03-05-2006, 21:21

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Originally Posted by kathythebean

What I dont understand is the mechanism has always been there for deporting foriegn prisonners. Why are the judges not specifying it at the trial as is their right?

Who are these asylum boards who are allowing murderers and rapists back on the streets when by rights they should be deported?

Is it the same judges that are handing out millions of pounds of compensation for people that slip on floors or find a mis-shapen smartie in their pack?

Aside from a few details as to the power the judges have over this, I regret to inform you that I agree unreservedly with your post here.

Sharing a view with me may bother you, for which I apologise!

scribe · 03-05-2006, 21:40

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Originally Posted by redrobbo

You confuse two separate matters kathythebean. Asylum Boards have nothing to do with the current debacle.

When a foreign national has been convicted of a serious crime, the judge, when sentencing, can make a recommendation that the convicted criminal be deported at the end of their sentence. These recommendations have to all intents and purposes been overlooked by Home Office staff. So, instead of reviewing the judge's recommendation for deportation, the criminals have been released back into British society at the end of their sentence.

Tony Blair is now suggesting that deportation should be mandatory. I have a lot of sympathy with that view. It is my opinion that having been convicted of a serious offence, any foreign criminals should forfeit the right to remain as a guest in my country, and should be deported to their country of origin. If the convicted criminal has a spouse and family, then they would be at liberty to remain in the UK or to leave as well.

Totally agree with that.

macaskill · 03-05-2006, 21:54

Foreigners living in Britain who commit crimes serious enough to warrant a prison sentence have abused our hospitality and should be deported immediately on completion of sentence. No buggering about, just get rid of them.

Waffer · 03-05-2006, 22:03

Yes all criminals should be deported....i saw a asian guy walking on the cracks of the pavement...i followed him and sent his address to the home office........and i also saw a chap with a loud shirt in a built up area...i did the same................justice has to be done, they cant keep getting away with it..................they will be sorry now..........Allah is GREA......oopps

macaskill · 03-05-2006, 22:13

Waffer you are being a tad harsh. I don't agree that all criminals should be deported, only foreign ones.

Also I don't think walking on cracks constitues a criminal offence, er not pavement cracks anyway