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02-05-2006, 16:27
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Brummy Sex God
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What do you think the world would be like if there were never any wars in the past? Can war be a good thing or is it always bad?
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02-05-2006, 16:33
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Originally Posted by spyro2000
What do you think the world would be like if there were never any wars in the past? Can war be a good thing or is it always bad?
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Thoughout modern history (and probably pre-modern history as well) wars have been the agents of rapid technological and socio-political change. Wars also provide a staple material for movies and novels. They are of course best avoided, but they can result in certain positive developments.
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02-05-2006, 16:57
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There's no doubt the world would be very different. But given that the first wars were waged five to six thousand years ago if not earlier, for generally no better reason than to grab someone else's land or resources, war is likely to be with us for some time to come.
'Good or bad' depends whether you're the victor or not 
Last edited by Greybeard; 02-05-2006 at 16:59.
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02-05-2006, 17:05
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Where would we be without war?
Well considering greed, anger and aggression come naturally to mankind, my answer has to be dead.
...as Plato said 'only the dead have seen the end of war' 
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02-05-2006, 17:07
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Originally Posted by Greybeard
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Did Napoleon not say at Waterloo something like, there is only one thing worse than losing a war and that was winning it ?
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02-05-2006, 17:09
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We'd probably be speaking German for a start
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02-05-2006, 17:11
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Originally Posted by venger
Did Napoleon not say at Waterloo something like, there is only one thing worse than losing a war and that was winning it ?
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No, it was Wellington. Its not something that Napoleon is likely to have said at Waterloo, given the outcome.
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02-05-2006, 17:17
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Originally Posted by LordChaverly
No, it was Wellington. Its not something that Napoleon is likely to have said at Waterloo, given the outcome.
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Well I was not sure, who and when it was said, so thats close enough for me, just that something in my cranky fried brain triggered.
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03-05-2006, 09:20
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There'll always be war. Leaders wage war to feed their own egos and guard the special interests of a small elite. Ordinary people just trying to live their lives and support their families end up dying because of this. That's true the entire world over. Leaders never represent their people.
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03-05-2006, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Daley
There'll always be war. Leaders wage war to feed their own egos and guard the special interests of a small elite. Ordinary people just trying to live their lives and support their families end up dying because of this. That's true the entire world over. Leaders never represent their people.
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Very true......
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03-05-2006, 09:27
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Wellington did not say that winning a war was "worse than losing it".
He actually said:
"Next to a battle lost, the greatest misery is a battle gained."
i.e. Losing a battle is the worst possible outcome but winning comes a very close second.
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03-05-2006, 09:30
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War and destruction is human nature.
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03-05-2006, 09:31
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OK, If we are doing Quotes.
Q: What did Rommell say to his troops just before they got in their Tanks?
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A: Right lads, get in yer tanks.
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03-05-2006, 09:36
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[QUOTE=cgksheff]Wellington did not say that winning a war was "worse than losing it".
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No one on here said that he did say this. I am well aware of Wellington's actual words.
As an indication of the difference in attitudes to warfare, and to the value of human life, of Wellington and Napoleon, the latter's statement that the corpses of the enemy on the battlefield always smell good is highly indicative. Wellington would never have said anything like this.
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03-05-2006, 09:41
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Originally Posted by LordChaverly
No one on here said that he did say this. I am well aware of Wellington's actual words.
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Who rattled your cage?
Read this:
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Originally Posted by venger
Did Napoleon not say at Waterloo something like, there is only one thing worse than losing a war and that was winning it ?
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Originally Posted by LordChaverly
No, it was Wellington.
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03-05-2006, 09:50
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Originally Posted by cgksheff
Who rattled your cage?
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you are quite right cgk - I was aware of what Wellington said, as it is a well known quote, but as I responded quickly to the poster, my focus was on the author rather than on the gist of the quotation. Wellington's dislike of war, particularly the supposed 'glamour' of war, is well documented.
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03-05-2006, 10:20
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Originally Posted by viking
OK, If we are doing Quotes.
Q: What did Rommell say to his troops just before they got in their Tanks?
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A: Right lads, get in yer tanks.
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has abit of a scottish ring to it Sure it wasn't 'Braveheart' ?
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