[A.B.Yaffle]

just run Yahoo search for you Mojo....

Mojo Working Racist = 13,600 results! Yes it will take a long time to read through them all if you want to bother!

[mojoworking]

Originally posted by Patchy
just run Yahoo search for you Mojo....

Mojo Working Racist = 13,600 results! Yes it will take a long time to read through them all if you want to bother!

Yes, but you're missing the point. Those are random words that don't relate to anything. I could do the same for "Patchy the mouthy tw*t" and find just as many bogus results.

The point is, If you enter these words:

Kosovo, refugees, organised, begging,

you'll find very many REAL news stories about a REAL subject. I didn't make it up. Like it nor not, they are genuine news stories.

[Tony]

Originally posted by mojoworking
Ah Tony, I've been expecting you.

Yes, you're correct as usual. It proves nothing. There are no organised gangs of East European beggars moving around the country targeting different areas from day to day.

Ah mojo - I anticipated your response when I made my post! That's why I put my early response in my original post... which of course you couldn't be bothered to read properly before getting your little dig in.

Here's a thought - isn't it amazing how racists always seem to feel the need to attack everyone that isn't like them - even non-racists? I wonder why?

Here it is again for you...

Originally posted by Tony
What happened to the kindness originally shown by Sheffielders?

Of course there are exceptions that prove the rule - that's why steroetypes exist, but like Patchy, I haven't really seen Sheffield or anywhere else being taken over by that stereotype.

[A.B.Yaffle]

But racists can do any search they like and come up with results to please themselves. I don't deny that there are some Kosovans who beg... but there are white English women that beg too, just as there are some white English men that wash cars!

But I don't see your point... are you trying to say that all refugees are bad just become some beg or wash cars?

[mojoworking]

You're obsessed Tony. Before we go any further with this, please explain one thing. How can it be racist to point out that some Europeans have been involved in organised begging?

Better be careful what we say about the French and Germans in future. We wouldn't want to be guilty of racism.

[mojoworking]

Originally posted by Patchy
But racists can do any search they like and come up with results to please themselves. I don't deny that there are some Kosovans who beg... but there are white English women that beg too, just as there are some white English men that wash cars!

But I don't see your point... are you trying to say that all refugees are bad just become some beg or wash cars?

Why do you insist on using the term "white English women" and "white English men"? East Europeans are white also. You're getting as obsessed with race as Tony.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. It's about petty crime, benefit fraud and harrassment (among other things)

And of course not all refugees are bad. I was pointing out that organised gangs of East European beggars operate in the UK

[Tony]

Mojo, I won't get into a flame war with you - in spite of your goading. Please check who used the race term in this thread first. Yup... it was you, so how can I be obsessed?

I started this thread because I was genuinely perplexed how the change came about unless it's through the media.

You see, it's like I said before... I am quite happy to say that there are refugees / asylum seekers that abuse the system, but you just want to tar them all with the same brush.

Even now, you haven't acknowledged that you simply and needlessly perpetuated an inaccurate stereotype after two or three chances. Again... I wonder why?

[Tony]

Originally posted by t020
The terrorist attacks have caused a lot of people to be more wary of people coming into this country, particularly from certain parts of the world. I'm not saying whether or not this is justified, just one of the reasons why people may be more hostile towards asylum seekers.

Hmmm, ok then... so how do you think you could educate people to think differently? After all... I for one was bowled over at the Kosovan Refugee Appeal that ran throughout Sheffield at the time. Folk obviously had no problem to start with.

How do we get people back to free thinking again?

[mojoworking]

Originally posted by Tony
Mojo, I won't get into a flame war with you - in spite of your goading. Please check who used the race term in this thread first. Yup... it was you, so how can I be obsessed?

I started this thread because I was genuinely perplexed how the change came about unless it's through the media.

You see, it's like I said before... I am quite happy to say that there are refugees / asylum seekers that abuse the system, but you just want to tar them all with the same brush.

Even now, you haven't acknowledged that you simply and needlessly perpetuated an inaccurate stereotype after two or three chances. Again... I wonder why?

To save you the trouble of scrolling back, my original reference to race was simply this: "Before we go off once again down the tired and well-worn "racist" path".

That means I was trying to AVOID a racist slanging match, even though somehow I knew you'd play the racist card eventually (despite the fact the refugees in question are obviously white).

[Tony]

Originally posted by mojoworking
(despite the fact the refugees in question are obviously white).

You need to update your definitions.

[mojoworking]

Originally posted by Tony
You need to update your definitions.

Don't understand that one. Last time I looked Kosova was part of the old Yugoslavia.

[Greenback]

Think the point is that the definition of "race" is not limited to skin colour or ethnicity - it can be linked to nationality, too.

Anyway, the point is that papers like the Mail, Express and Sun will always feed off people's irrational fear of the "other", and all it takes is a bit of intelligence and "common sense" (to use one of thise ilk of newspaper's favourite phrases) to see through all the rubbish they spout.

The vast majority of asylum seekers are here to better their lives and to contribute to society, so why not take all this loathing and project it onto a more deserving candidate (hello Mr Bush).

[med_student]

To tony and mojoworking

since you seem to be interested on Kosovan people, I thought I might give you some information that might change your view and perception about Kosovan.
I can only talk for myself, but yes I was one of the refugee who came to Sheffield in 1999 not through my choice but i was forced to leave my home, anyway, yeah thanks to people of sheffield who supported us so much when we first came over, life has changes since then, I have worked and contributed to UK society and paid taxes just like you two ( if you are working), never been on benefit or "begged" and now after 9 years of working hard, I am studying medicine at University.
Furthermore, regarding Kosova as a country, it is an indipendent country now, not anymore part of Yougoslavia.
Please if you want to read more about Kosova or any other country , don't trust Daily mail or the Sun, read proper newspaper, read the Times.
Good luck with your searches.

[maggi]

Hello med_student and welcome to the Forum

You'll notice that this thread is more than four years old, so let's not revive old arguments, eh? There's plenty of opportunity to start new ones!

It's very good to hear that you're doing so well for yourself now. I'd like to hear about your experience of Sheffield when you first came to live here (and since). Maybe you could start a new thread about it, and let this one lapse back into the archives where it belongs.

[taxman]

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by taxman

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Why do you conclude, because he edited a post four years ago, that he still has his powers?


This thread is no more. It has ceased to be. It's defunct. It's extinct. It has shuffled off its mortal coil and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. Let it go!

[taxman]

Originally Posted by Heyesey

Why do you conclude, because he edited a post four years ago, that he still has his powers?


This thread is no more. It has ceased to be. It's defunct. It's extinct. It has shuffled off its mortal coil and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. Let it go!

D'oh....not looking at the posting date again

[bizzle]

Originally Posted by taxman

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Lovin the CID work...............Could one of the mods help us with this enquiry.

[Longcol]

Originally Posted by taxman

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Working from memory this is probably when mojoworking got a long ban from SF - followed a bit later by a lifetime ban (or a long ban and decided to go into "exile").

[Alastair]

Originally Posted by Tony

Do you remember the Kosovan refugees that came to Sheffield a couple of years ago. What happened to the spirit of goodwill that abounded at the time? Why are people with the same troubles now branded dirty asylum seekers?

It was more than a couple of years ago wasn't it. I think it was 1999, maybe 2000.

They were put up at the disused school opposite Ringinglow Fire Station (both now demolished for housing developments). I remember the first nights after they arrived they would wander up and down as far as Hunters Bar, looking very foreign and happy to be here away from the problems at home.

They were then rehoused in Hyde Park and Park Hill. Some weny back, others became the legendary forum "cheesy men".

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...ght=cheesy+men