Conflict in Syria. - Page 3

Aleksandr · 05-08-2012, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Rupert_Baehr

...Sunni Muslims are moderate and believe in the equality of women as suggested by Islam.[/COLOR]

Moderate is a relative term. Sunnis might claim to treat women as equals, but I have never seen any evidence to support that. It's down to the definition of 'equal', I guess. What Islam proposes as 'equal', doesn't sound like 'equal' to me!

melthebell · 05-08-2012, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Moderate is a relative term. Sunnis might claim to treat women as equals, but I have never seen any evidence to support that. It's down to the definition of 'equal', I guess. What Islam proposes as 'equal', doesn't sound like 'equal' to me!

i think the term means moderate compared to more extreme islamic factions, rather than your take on it

Aleksandr · 05-08-2012, 20:47

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It might have been far advanced in its day, but now it's so far behind relatively that it's practically Precambrian. I disagree that their use of nuclear (or chemical and biological) weapons is a wild assumption. I consider it far from unlikely![/QUOTE]

Meaning that they all have a death wish?

Not at all. Iran is lead by theocrats who believe that a supernatural being called Allah will look after them. They also believe that if they do die, they'll go to heaven and be met by loads of virgins. Fine for the men; I guess women don't figure in that scenario, or any decisions regarding war. My point is that they are not as rational as you seem to suggest.

Aleksandr · 05-08-2012, 20:51

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Originally Posted by melthebell

i think the term means moderate compared to more extreme islamic factions, rather than your take on it

Methinks you did not understand what I wrote. Relative means compared to. Geddit?

melthebell · 05-08-2012, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Methinks you did not understand what I wrote. Relative means compared to. Geddit?

yeah your comparing apples and bananas for effect

Aleksandr · 05-08-2012, 21:04

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Originally Posted by melthebell

yeah your comparing apples and bananas for effect

So, which ones are the apples, and which ones are the bananas?

Are you saying that the Sunnis are bananas and the Wahabis apples, or vice-versa? Could they both be bananas? Are you bananas?

Look, if I can offer any help...

melthebell · 05-08-2012, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

So, which ones are the apples, and which ones are the bananas?

Are you saying that the Sunnis are bananas and the Wahabis apples, or vice-versa? Could they both be bananas? Are you bananas?

Look, if I can offer any help...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Harleyman · 05-08-2012, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Harleyman

Not at all. Iran is lead by theocrats who believe that a supernatural being called Allah will look after them. They also believe that if they do die, they'll go to heaven and be met by loads of virgins. Fine for the men; I guess women don't figure in that scenario, or any decisions regarding war. My point is that they are not as rational as you seem to suggest.

Their whole end game is to have a few nuclear weapons and use them as a bully tool hoping to cow their neighbors into accepting them as the Big Dogs on the block but it wont work.
Israel has nukes and the Iranians know it. Even if it never came down to nukes the two US naval fleets in that area have enough hardware to wipe out their whole infrastructure in a matter of hours

Rupert_Baehr · 05-08-2012, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Moderate is a relative term. Sunnis might claim to treat women as equals, but I have never seen any evidence to support that. It's down to the definition of 'equal', I guess. What Islam proposes as 'equal', doesn't sound like 'equal' to me!

The whole quote (as you may have noticed, it was coloured in blue) was from the same article (the one I provided a link to.)

It probable that the article was written by a Sunni, so it's hardly surprising that the writer would try to make Sunni's look good.

The house of Saud (and a few other prominent families in Saudi Arabia) may well be corrupt, but they are not the people who 'brutally oppress' women in that country.

Should the house of Saud fall (and that might be very likely if the US withdrew its support) then the US - and anybody else wanting to deal with Saudi Arabia - would probably have to deal with strict fundamentalists.

Aleksandr · 05-08-2012, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Rupert_Baehr

The whole quote (as you may have noticed, it was coloured in blue) was from the same article (the one I provided a link to.)

It probable that the article was written by a Sunni, so it's hardly surprising that the writer would try to make Sunni's look good.

The house of Saud (and a few other prominent families in Saudi Arabia) may well be corrupt, but they are not the people who 'brutally oppress' women in that country.

Should the house of Saud fall (and that might be very likely if the US withdrew its support) then the US - and anybody else wanting to deal with Saudi Arabia - would probably have to deal with strict fundamentalists.

Oh sure, sure. It's a nasty dilemma, albeit clear enough who to support. Women aren't much better off under the Sauds, but that little bit makes all the difference, I guess. The sad thing is that it's not going to progress in the foreseeable future, unlike women's lib did over here.

callippo · 06-08-2012, 11:27

the Assad regime is finished. That is not in doubt any more. The Prime Minister, only appointed in June, just defected. The only question is when it will finally collapse totally.
Forces loyal to Assad may hold on for a few more months, or they may implode in a matter of days. But even if it's the latter that does not mean the chaos in Syria will cease. Far from it.

Mecky · 06-08-2012, 11:31

Syrian PM has now defected http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19146380

Light sonic · 06-08-2012, 11:43

I think Syria should stay off the news while the olympics are on, its just a distraction we can do without to be honest.

janie48 · 06-08-2012, 11:47

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I think Syria should stay off the news while the olympics are on, its just a distraction we can do without to be honest.

Well you would say that wouldn't you, you're not in Syria.

MrSmith · 06-08-2012, 12:27

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Well you would say that wouldn't you, you're not in Syria.

Telling us about it isn't going to change what’s happening though is it.

janie48 · 06-08-2012, 12:41

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Telling us about it isn't going to change what’s happening though is it.

You could say that about a lot of news reports, would you rather not be told anything.

janie48 · 11-08-2012, 17:33

At least they're is more news coming out now the games are drawing to a close.
As predicted from posts on here the crisis is escalating,and didn't someone on here say we wouldn't get too involved! but the innocent and suffering over they're are needing more help.
Thankfully the USA has Hilary Clinton involved in the peace talks, and as tensions appear to be getting worse its good that she is in Syria now and is arranging more financial support,and with William Hague offering an extra £5m too that should help the situation.

Drone · 11-08-2012, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Light sonic

I think Syria should stay off the news while the olympics are on, its just a distraction we can do without to be honest.

That is why the Olympics are on

Drone · 11-08-2012, 18:32

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Originally Posted by janie48

Does anyone really understand why this civil war appears to be getting worse.I keep hearing little snippets on the news about the crisis but with the Olympic Games dominating the headlines they're isn't that much information.The PM met Putin on Thursday we heard they're were to be talks between them about the crisis,but nothing has been mentioned about the outcome,the media seem to have just focused on Mr Putin's interest in Judo.

Now Khofi Annan has resigned and says he despairs of the situation,and the latest is that China is blaming the West, why?
In the meantime masses of civilians are being killed including children,and they're is a shortage of food.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/in...osition=recent

It's all done to knock your off scent

RootsBooster · 11-08-2012, 19:24

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That is why the Olympics are on

Ahh, the voice of reason and rationality. Of course, our friend Drone is right, the real reason for the Olynpic Games being created all those years back is so that one day in the distant future, London can host it and televise it, to distract from the Syrian civil war which happens to coincide with. Obviously.