Two party system

Now that people are voting for many different parties, will the issue of PR get sorted by whoever wins?

The real story is that without proportional representation we only have the choice of the two main parties, and they will play at politics and be deceitful to make sure it stays that way. If the people of Scotland vote SNP there is a danger that the Conservatives will be the biggest party in Westminster; and the same applies if the electorate in England do not vote for Labour. I have just joined the Liberal Democrats, because they are still the only sane alternative party that stands a chance of changing things.

A friend of mine is standing for TUSC, but all that will do is just get a few votes from people on the left. Zero chance of getting elected, just making the Tories more likely to get in.

No because the two parties represent the majority and the majority don't want democracy to be fair.

In 2010 the Tories won an English majority with 298 seats, Labour came second with 191 seats and Libdems third with 43 seats, if you don't want Tories in power you should be thanking the Scottish and welsh.

No because the two parties represent the majority and the majority don't want democracy to be fair.

Is that the people or the MPs "majority don't want democracy" ?

Is that the people or the MPs "majority don't want democracy" ?

Very likely the people, why would Labour and Conservative voters want a fair system?

Very likely the people, why would Labour and Conservative voters want a fair system?

The same reason some rich people are ok paying their fair share of tax, a better country, fairer.

The same reason some rich people are ok paying their fair share of tax, a better country, fairer.

I'm assuming that your tongue was lodged firmly in your cheek whilst you posted that comment?

Politicians tend, in the main, to be self serving and duplicitous by nature.

They crave power and will do everything they can to maintain it.

That is the nature of the beast and what attracted them into politics in the first instance.

The fact that 52% of them had to repay expenses in the last expenses scandal shows their outlook with regard to fair dealing.

The fact that they have failed to mend their ways shows their contempt for the electorate.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDkQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2Fsep%2F12%2Fmps-expenses-under-fire&ei=u109VcHJDdDKaO7NgPgL&usg=AFQjCNHh8cUNKKEoG1BvW6PsjvPl1xxi6A&bvm=bv.91665533,d.d2s

Proportional Representation with single transferable vote is the fairest most democratic system ever devised.

The politicians in Britain got elected under the' First Past the Post' system.

That is undemocratic to the point that no political party has governed this country having obtained even 50% of the votes cast since WW2.

In other words, every government since WW2 has had more people vote for other parties, and despite that has wound up running the country.

But that is how they got elected, so they won't change if they can possibly avoid it.

Calling this country a democracy is stretching the term to close to breaking point.

Very likely the people, why would Labour and Conservative voters want a fair system?

Perhaps if there was a different system, fewer people would vote for the main parties.

Perhaps if there was a different system, fewer people would vote for the main parties.

That's a fair point.

Perhaps if there was a different system, fewer people would vote for the main parties.

How do you mean a fairer system?

How do you mean a fairer system?

In my opinion a fair system is one in which every vote counts.

One in which the number of MP's per party is proportionally represented by the total number of votes each party receives.

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Conservative ...............................307 -- 10,726,614 ............ 234

Labour .......................................258 -- 8,609,527 ..............188

Liberal Democrat ..........................57 -- 6,836,824 ................149

Democratic Unionist Party............. 8 -- 168,216 ....................4

Scottish National Party .................6 -- 491,386 ....................11

Sinn Fein ....................................5 -- 171,942 ....................4

Plaid Cymru ...............................3 -- 165,394 ....................4

Social Democratic & Labour Party ..3 -- 110,970 ....................3

Green ........................................1 -- 285,616 ....................6

Alliance Party ..............................1 -- 42,762 ....................1

UK Independence Party ..............0 -- 919,546 ....................20

British National Party ...................0 -- 564,331 ....................12

Turnout 29,691,380

After 650 of 650 seats declared.

Red is the seat each party got, orange is the number of seats they would have got under a fair system if everyone voted the same which is unlikely, people will have a bigger incentive to vote and they will very likley vote for the party they want and not vote tactically.

 

Red is the seat each party got, orange is the number of seats they would have got under a fair system if everyone voted the same which is unlikely, people will have a bigger incentive to vote and they will very likley vote for the party they want and not vote tactically.

The Liberal Democrats would have got even more votes, they may even have got more than the two main parties.

The Liberal Democrats would have got even more votes, they may even have got more than the two main parties.

I would consider that to be an adverse side effect but at least it would be fair.