ukdobby   221 #97 Posted March 28, 2017 That's not really a useful contribution is it?  Its better than condoning what the IRA did by blaming the British. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bob Arctor   11 #98 Posted March 28, 2017 Its better than condoning what the IRA did by blaming the British.  If I'd done that then your comment would be valid. Why not stick to what people have actually said, rather than what you imagine they said? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #99 Posted March 28, 2017 we haven't experienced what it was like to be a catholic in NI at the time. people always forget this bit, its ok sat miles away from it and spout off about it but till youre living in those shoes you dont know **** Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Michael_W Â Â 11 #100 Posted March 28, 2017 Yeah I completely understand peoples' revulsion at the IRA's tactics from people on the mainland. However we should remember that we don't have the full picture because we haven't experienced what it was like to be a catholic in NI at the time. Also, British people voted repeatedly for the status quo -i.e. continuation of the conflict - for 30 years, so need to accept some responsibility. Â The acceptance of responsibility for blowing people up comes from the terrorists really Bob. Â people always forget this bit, its ok sat miles away from it and spout off about it but till youre living in those shoes you dont know **** Â Your right but you don't know either, I reckon you were sat miles away from it too ......... so what exactly do you know or remember about being a Catholic in NI, and would that have made you want to murder innocent people ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #101 Posted March 28, 2017 The acceptance of responsibility for blowing people up comes from the terrorists really Bob.   Your right but you don't know either, I reckon you were sat miles away from it too ......... so what exactly do you know or remember about being a Catholic in NI, and would that have made you want to murder innocent people ? i dont but then im not the one sitting high and mighty slagging em off for what they do or dont do, instead i accept things have been done that shouldnt have but maybe needed to be done, and without Mcguiness there possibly wouldnt be peace now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Michael_W Â Â 11 #102 Posted March 28, 2017 i dont but then im not the one sitting high and mighty slagging em off for what they do or dont do, instead i accept things have been done that shouldnt have but maybe needed to be done, and without Mcguiness there possibly wouldnt be peace now. Â Who is sat high and mighty slagging em off mel ? I have only commented on the fact why some people understandably disliked McGuinness and the IRA, and previously about the hypocrisy of some of those who celebrated Thatcher's death on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bob Arctor   11 #103 Posted March 28, 2017 The acceptance of responsibility for blowing people up comes from the terrorists really Bob.  Primarily yes, of course. But just as stating that the Treaty of Versailles contributed to the rise of Hitler in Germany doesn't make one a Nazi apologist, neither does pointing out contributing factors from the British in Northern Ireland make one an IRA apologist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ukdobby   221 #104 Posted March 29, 2017 Primarily yes, of course. But just as stating that the Treaty of Versailles contributed to the rise of Hitler in Germany doesn't make one a Nazi apologist, neither does pointing out contributing factors from the British in Northern Ireland make one an IRA apologist.  Let me get this right,didn't you state because the British people voted the government in we must accept some responsibility,thats how I saw your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bob Arctor   11 #105 Posted March 29, 2017 Let me get this right,didn't you state because the British people voted the government in we must accept some responsibility,thats how I saw your post.  That's right. But primary responsibility has to be on the IRA themselves. Parties to conflicts can either do things to escalate or perpetuate the conflict, or to de-escalate or end it. If they do the former they need to take some responsibility for it. Surely that's not so contentious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #106 Posted March 29, 2017 Who is sat high and mighty slagging em off mel ? i wasnt aiming it at anybody, just generally, and not just on here, its you that brought it up as a bit of guilt fella. I was aiming it more at those that have vehemently spit venom at him for being a "terrorist" when like i said they havent lived the life so didnt know what life was like for the catholics back then. Same with Mandela, if you havent lived as a black during aparteid how can you truly know the struggle and the choices people have had to make. Like i said earlier, people would do the same now if we got "invaded", if IS took over us and made life a living hell, we'd fight back, but then we'd class ourselves as freedom fighters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ukdobby   221 #107 Posted March 29, 2017 That's right. But primary responsibility has to be on the IRA themselves. Parties to conflicts can either do things to escalate or perpetuate the conflict, or to de-escalate or end it. If they do the former they need to take some responsibility for it. Surely that's not so contentious.  So how many different governments have been voted in during the Irish problems?And we are partly to blame for Isis because we voted the government in what invaded Iraq ect and we should hold some responsibility for the Westminster attack,sorry but I don't see where you're coming from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #108 Posted March 29, 2017 So how many different governments have been voted in during the Irish problems?And we are partly to blame for Isis because we voted the government in what invaded Iraq ect and we should hold some responsibility for the Westminster attack,sorry but I don't see where you're coming from. if you vote a government in you are responsible for their actions, simple. essentially your vote gives them the right to do what they want, carry on doing what they want. if you dont want them to do it, dont vote for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...