Is there any point to Labour anymore?

For all his faults and there were many, Blair knew how to win an election and run a popular social democratic government. If Labour wants to erase Blair from their history and refuse to examine the positives from his time in power they are making a serious mistake.

blair had the ability to get non labour supporters to vote labour. in the process he alienated labour voters. sad innit?

i note that labour's favourite, corbyn was the subject of an ipsos poll. it seems only 17% of voters think he has what it takes to be a pm. that is somewhat downhill from even miliband.

Aren't you all forgetting something?

In 5 years time when todays mid 20s and 30s get sick of having no choice but to pay a landlord's mortgage, yet not being able to afford their own, the tide will soon turn. Our youngsters are getting a raw deal, what with debts from university fees and extortionate rent and house prices. Where is the future for those who want to start a family? That would be enough to turn anyone into an extreme left winger.

It's just been given out that house price rocketing in London is due to overseas criminals using our housing market as a means to of money laundering.

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For all his faults and there were many, Blair knew how to win an election and run a popular social democratic government. If Labour wants to erase Blair from their history and refuse to examine the positives from his time in power they are making a serious mistake.

Blair was no more Labour than Maggie Thatcher.

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blair had the ability to get non labour supporters to vote labour..

Well considering he knew nothing of what it was like to be true working class no wonder.

It's just been given out that house price rocketing in London is due to overseas criminals using our housing market as a means to of money laundering.

Which is no consolation to those trying to save for a deposit.

It's just been reported this has distorted the high end of the market.

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For all his faults and there were many, Blair knew how to win an election.

After the disgraceful sleaze of the Major Tory government of 1997, a monkey could have won that election. After that the Tories had leader after leader, which showed just how disorganised they were for 13 years.

But hey, look on the bright side, if the Tories can make it back, so can Labour, again.

After the disgraceful sleaze of the Major Tory government of 1997, a monkey could have won that election. After that the Tories had leader after leader, which showed just how disorganised they were for 13 years.

But hey, look on the bright side, if the Tories can make it back, so can Labour, again.

Say what you like about Blair, and lot of it I'd probably agree with but he is the only Labour leader to be re-elected. You say this is due to the disorganised Tories, but I'd suggest that it was Labour's policies that pushed the Tories into the type of territory that led to all the confusion.

..............talking of Blair.

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Well considering he knew nothing of what it was like to be true working class no wonder.

Neither did Marx or Engels. Who did live when the term meant something. What does it mean now? The state has reduced 10,000's to be individual claimants and created a benefits class which is another thing completely. People, and their dependents, who work to live are now 80%+ (a guess) of the population.

The Labour Party, and its predecessors, have been the standard bearers for Socialist representation in the UK from the beginning. They are in danger of moving too far away from their bedrock, if they do they will be deserted by socialists and be replaced by numerous factions who may take years to unite, if ever.

There is still a massive number of people with ideal's, compassion and a commitment to equality. If the The 'Labour' party want to represent them they need to find an addition to their name to associate with where they are going and who they represent.

There is still a massive number of people with ideal's, compassion and a commitment to equality. If the The 'Labour' party want to represent them they need to find an addition to their name to associate with where they are going and who they represent.

As long as it isn't 'New Labour'.

blair had the ability to get non labour supporters to vote labour. in the process he alienated labour voters. sad innit?

I think the phrase at the time was appealing to "Mondeo Man" wasn't it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4119695.stm

The Tories at the time were mired in sleaze and scandal after scandal, and people were sick of it.