Jeffrey Shaw   83 #1 Posted July 3, 2015 This is a new general thread for comments on the forthcoming Budget Statement (Wednesday 8 July). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #2 Posted July 3, 2015 It looks like the disabled are in the fireline again. I can not begin to comprehend how that is going to help anybody, lowering payments to the disabled is only going to result in a rise of demand on the NHS, police and fire services. Leaving severely autistic adults to fend for their own with a social worker popping in once a month is not going to save money.  I am pro-austerity, but when it touches upon those that can not say their own piece is a sign of poor government. Also, these proposals are made now, so that in five years people will have possibly forgotten about it.  I hate to say this, because we all know plenty of pensioners, but continuing to ring fence them at the expense of the disabled will not do. I know my recently deceased grandma would hate living here under these conditions: Ik kin altiit it dubbeltsje twa kear omdraaie, haw ik jierren lang dien. (I can always turn the penny twice, I grew up doing just that.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared   268 #3 Posted July 3, 2015 Looks to be 'very Tory' so could be a nasty one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B Â Â 1,365 #4 Posted July 3, 2015 It looks like the disabled are in the fireline again. I can not begin to comprehend how that is going to help anybody, lowering payments to the disabled is only going to result in a rise of demand on the NHS, police and fire services. Leaving severely autistic adults to fend for their own with a social worker popping in once a month is not going to save money. Â I am pro-austerity, but when it touches upon those that can not say their own piece is a sign of poor government. Also, these proposals are made now, so that in five years people will have possibly forgotten about it. Â I hate to say this, because we all know plenty of pensioners, but continuing to ring fence them at the expense of the disabled will not do. I know my recently deceased grandma would hate living here under these conditions: Ik kin altiit it dubbeltsje twa kear omdraaie, haw ik jierren lang dien. (I can always turn the penny twice, I grew up doing just that.) Â Pensioners are a sizable group who vote. Disabled people are a small defenceless group who do not vote as much. Â Now I wonder which group the Tories will pick on? Guess.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #5 Posted July 3, 2015 Pensioners are a sizable group who vote. Disabled people are a small defenceless group who do not vote as much.  Now I wonder which group the Tories will pick on? Guess....  Sadly that is exactly what causes this. One of democracy's terrible side-effects. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
harvey19 Â Â 541 #6 Posted July 3, 2015 Maybe some figures could be presented so we know exactly what is happening and how much people will get instead of general comments . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #7 Posted July 3, 2015 They are not known yet and this isn't a great source, but somehow it seems entirely likely:  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-cut-disabled-5991605  One person very close to me lives of this benefit, but has to pay part of her care from it as well. What do you think the likely outcome is going to be? Eat/drink/house cuts, or care cuts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
harvey19 Â Â 541 #8 Posted July 3, 2015 They are not known yet and this isn't a great source, but somehow it seems entirely likely: Â http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-cut-disabled-5991605 Â One person very close to me lives of this benefit, but has to pay part of her care from it as well. What do you think the likely outcome is going to be? Eat/drink/house cuts, or care cuts? Â As I said until we have actual figures and what will be paid including all allowances it is hard to comment objectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #9 Posted July 3, 2015 As I said until we have actual figures and what will be paid including all allowances it is hard to comment objectively.  Agreed, but this 30£ reduction in ESA has been going around for a few weeks now. I'd be stunned if it didn't make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
northernboy   13 #10 Posted July 3, 2015 There has been a lot of talk about child poverty, but the definition of so-called poverty used by a lot of people is ludicrous. By those terms, my income would put us in "poverty", yet we have no debt, new laptop, new TV, two tablets, car, regular holidays, cupboard/fridge/freezer full of food and drink, new clothes, savings in the bank, new furniture, recently fitted new bathroom... When you look at the genuine poverty that's around, it is shocking, but the definition of the "threshold" clearly needs changing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Vague_Boy   10 #11 Posted July 3, 2015 Pensioners are a sizable group who vote. Disabled people are a small defenceless group who do not vote as much.  Small? Nonsense. And here's why.  Number of UK pensioners 12,075 million [source: Pensioners Policy Institute]  Number of people with "a limiting long term illness, impairment or disability" 11 million [source: UK.Gov]  If the disabled (and I'm one of them*) don't vote, what do they (we) expect?  * Visually impaired and partly deaf in case anyone's wondering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Thorpist   71 #12 Posted July 4, 2015 On reaching state retirement age workers who continue to work cease paying national insurance contributions. As more and more people are working on it seems like a cherry waiting to be picked by Osbourne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...