El Cid   212 #1 Posted July 11, 2017 Just doing a quick google, and it seems most schools have training days, yet the staff often dont work on all 5 days. So why have 5 in the first place? It does give the profession a bad name, why not train in the school holidays?  Do Academies and Free Schools have the same training days?  I work on school transport, get paid for 3 days, sometimes they find us things to do, occasionally we just like the day off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   611 #2 Posted July 11, 2017 Just doing a quick google, and it seems most schools have training days, yet the staff often dont work on all 5 days. So why have 5 in the first place? It does give the profession a bad name, why not train in the school holidays?  Do Academies and Free Schools have the same training days?  I work on school transport, get paid for 3 days, sometimes they find us things to do, occasionally we just like the day off.  Brief history: NUT agreed to "up to 5 training days" to be added to the school year as part of a pay award in the 90's Most schools had around 190 days. Government made this a minimum. They introduced maximum hours for various teacher grades. These hours did not include marking and preparation.  They did loose 5 days of their holiday.  Current situation is that schools teach for 190 days. The up to 5 days is always 5 days- Ofsted are surprised if "up to 5 days" does not equal 5 days. Junior staff do far more hours in school than the maximum 1265 + marking and preparation. Usually taken up by Headteachers and Heads of department who are able to predict eleven months before that meetings last exactly ninety minutes. Many staff seem to accept that the minimum legal lunchtime is forty minutes of which twenty minutes is the legal minimum and 2X 10 minutes is the required supervision after and before morning and afternoon sessions. They are not entitled to a morning or afternoon break. They themselves have to organise supervision to cover the pupils break.  Academies etc. are very aware that the same Government rules apply. In an area most schools would want similar holiday times. Not always done.  Public schools do less with no training days required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dun graftin   10 #3 Posted July 12, 2017 Just doing a quick google, and it seems most schools have training days, yet the staff often dont work on all 5 days. So why have 5 in the first place? It does give the profession a bad name, why not train in the school holidays?  Do Academies and Free Schools have the same training days?  I work on school transport, get paid for 3 days, sometimes they find us things to do, occasionally we just like the day off.  So you want the teachers to WORK in their HOLIDAYS, (as if they don't anyway). But you are happy when you get a DAY OFF on their training days.:confused::confused Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Andy1976 Â Â 10 #4 Posted July 12, 2017 Do Academies and Free Schools have the same training days? Â Can't speak for academies and free schools, but independents still have training days. They tend to be different days to state schools though, and are generally tagged onto holidays (for example this year there are two on the Monday/Tuesday at the start of September, before term starts on the 6th). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   213 #5 Posted July 12, 2017 Many schools do the training in the evenings - an extra 2 hours here and there, and the time converts to days in lieu.  But some staff will still come into school on training days to do extra work. Just like some work throughout the holidays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   611 #6 Posted July 12, 2017 Many schools do the training in the evenings - an extra 2 hours here and there, and the time converts to days in lieu. But some staff will still come into school on training days to do extra work. Just like some work throughout the holidays.  Just point out that there is no requirement for teachers to attend what became known as "twilights", two of which =a "Baker Day". However junior teacher would be unwise to refuse as they would have to replace any meetings in the weeks they take place. Also they may well prefer the "day off".  Before time was regulated by Government and Governors meetings would take place with more regularity and in response to real need and concerning the staff involved.  Does any other sector hold meetings at which the boss regularly says:  "Meetings over, but you can't leave until six."  "We need something to fill in next weeks agenda. If you think of something let me know beforehand."  Schools can have training days anytime they want within the advertised school year as long as parents and employees are notified well in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   212 #7 Posted July 12, 2017 So you want the teachers to WORK in their HOLIDAYS, (as if they don't anyway). But you are happy when you get a DAY OFF on their training days.:confused::confused  I just do as I am told. Last year someone found out that we did not get paid for all five training days, doing more than one job, its not easy keeping track of pay.  ---------- Post added 12-07-2017 at 20:43 ----------  Most schools had around 190 days. Government made this a minimum.  Since teachers are judged on their pupils grades, whether they do 190 or 195 days is not that important to the teacher, perhaps they would prefer to have their pupils not missing 5 days? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Penistone999 Â Â 10 #8 Posted July 12, 2017 Shouldnt teachers be fully qualified BEFORE being given the job ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
nikki-red   307 #9 Posted July 12, 2017 Shouldnt teachers be fully qualified BEFORE being given the job ?   They are, but its ongoing, they have to keep up to date . Also Its not just educational training, its safeguarding etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lex Luthor   10 #10 Posted July 13, 2017 Shouldnt teachers be fully qualified BEFORE being given the job ?  Do you realise that most of our children will have at least half a day a week timetabled where they as a class are supervised by an adult who is not a qualified teacher? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bargepole23 Â Â 337 #11 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Shouldnt teachers be fully qualified BEFORE being given the job ? Â Quite right. Nothing in the teaching profession changes, curriculum, administration, methods of teaching etc, from the moment they start work as a teacher to the moment they retire. All professional jobs are the same, and no further training or professional development is required, after the first day of work. Â Or maybe that's not the case. Maybe most employers who value their staff and business provide ongoing training and development. Edited July 13, 2017 by Bargepole23 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lex Luthor   10 #12 Posted July 14, 2017 Quite right. Nothing in the teaching profession changes, curriculum, administration, methods of teaching etc, from the moment they start work as a teacher to the moment they retire. All professional jobs are the same, and no further training or professional development is required, after the first day of work. Or maybe that's not the case. Maybe most employers who value their staff and business provide ongoing training and development.  Maybe it's just as important that our children are taught by a qualified teacher for 100% of the school timetable, instead of people who are not qualified teachers teaching them for at least half a day a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...