Immigrants dying in the Mediterranean

So true chem1st

Perhaps the media should use the term 'humans' more often, or maybe people.

 

Humans die in the Mediterranean.

People die in the Mediterranean.

 

It could have used many different terms to elicit different responses.

 

Foreigners die in the Mediterranean.

Citizens die in the Mediterranean.

Foreign Citizens die in the Mediterranean.

Aliens die in the Mediterranean.

Illegal aliens die in the Mediterranean.

 

Christians die in the Mediterranean.

Muslims die in the Mediterranean.

Women and Children die in the Mediterranean.

Men die in the Mediterranean.

Elderly people die in the Mediterranean.

Young people die in the Mediterranean.

 

English die in the Mediterranean.

Fish die in the Mediterranean.

30 die in the Mediterranean.

Lithuanian die in the Mediterranean.

 

Civilians fleeing war die in the Mediterranean.

 

Human beings desperately fleeing genocidal maniacs after some of the most brutal and depraved conflict the World and Humanity has seen since the height of the last World War, from the disputed regions in the countries formerly know as Iraq and Syria, where multiple wars have raged for over a decade and resulted in hundreds of thousands of innocent civillian deaths, peoples that have no nation of safety to go to, tragically die in the Mediterranean, having given all their life's savings to unscrupulous people smugglers with no concern for their lives, their safety and wellbeing, in their attempts to reach Europe, so they can re-gain some of the Human Rights they previously enjoyed in their homelands before the war that destroyed their former Country's/Ancestoral land began.

 

IDPs die in the Mediterranean.

 

Internally displaced people escaping from active warzones die in the Mediterranean.

 

Nurses die in the Mediterranean.

 

Regardless of the headline, we should be able to read what has happened, and then react to it.

 

People have died, in horrible circumstances. Many of them innocent people trying to escape death.

 

We shouldn't be allowing this to happen.

 

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People aren't dying in the UK because of immigration, they are dying because of inequality, it is also inequality that is driving immigration.

 

Consolodation of the fruits of people's labour occurs in places like London and it drives communities from allover the World that it has extracted wealth from in search for that wealth.

 

Every Empire in the World has had a Capital City that has attracted the produce of, and people of the Empire, from every corner of the Empire to it's Capital.

My post #348 asks a very relevant question.

If an army of fighters were waging war on your country wouldn't you join the army to protect your families and homeland ?

War is a dreadful thing but you can't always leave it to others to fight your battles for you especially in your own country.

What if the war is raging between the two/three largest ethnic groups and you are part of a minority group unable to wage an effective war in retaliation, and there is no diaspora for you to turn to?

Perhaps the Celts should be waging war in the UK in retaliation to various European invaders. And Americans returning to Europe and Africa to take back their ancestoral lands.

I suppose it is quite easy for an English-Brit to decide to join the British Army, but much harder for an Irish-Brit.

If one resides in Iraq/Syria, there is choice between Iraqi Army, Syrian Army, Kurdish Army, ISIS, FSA, and many related factions to these 5 main groups.

One might not be Iraqi, Syrain or Kurdish, one might be religious, and of various different relgions & sects, one might not even be religious.

Which army would you choose? What if all of them want to kill you?

What if the war is raging between the two/three largest ethnic groups and you are part of a minority group unable to wage an effective war in retaliation, and there is no diaspora for you to turn to?

 

Perhaps the Celts should be waging war in the UK in retaliation to various European invaders. And Americans returning to Europe and Africa to take back their ancestoral lands.

 

I suppose it is quite easy for an English-Brit to decide to join the British Army, but much harder for an Irish-Brit.

 

If one resides in Iraq/Syria, there is choice between Iraqi Army, Syrian Army, Kurdish Army, ISIS, FSA, and many related factions to these 5 main groups.

One might not be Iraqi, Syrain or Kurdish, one might be religious, and of various different relgions & sects, one might not even be religious.

 

Which army would you choose? What if all of them want to kill you?

There are many Brit/Irish soldiers. During the troubles there was the UDR, an home based regiment as well as traditional regiments and corps which recruited Brit/Irish soldiers.

The army you join is the one that is protecting your family and whose aims you subscribe to.

There are many Brit/Irish soldiers. During the troubles there was the UDR, an home based regiment as well as traditional regiments and corps which recruited Brit/Irish soldiers.

And other armies against the one you mention.

The army you join is the one that is protecting your family and whose aims you subscribe to.

There may not be such an army. And if all the armies out there do not take kindly to you, you are *****d. Answering your point in #348

And other armies against the one you mention.

 

 

 

There may not be such an army. And if all the armies out there do not take kindly to you, you are *****d. Answering your point in #348

You are disregarding the fact that many people do join the army in these countries to protect their families and homes and protect the regime they support.

You are disregarding the fact that many people do join the army in these countries to protect their families and homes and protect the regime they support.

I am not. I am pointing out, that whilst many do, and they often join armies made up of their ethnic group, or people with the same ideology, that there are groups who do not have armies that will fight in their interest.

And for those people, the option is often flee or die trying.

Yes like the persecuted minorities in Iran. Some people believe it or not don't want to fight but have a peaceful life and have their human rights upheld. Mind you we won't that here soon

I am not. I am pointing out, that whilst many do, and they often join armies made up of their ethnic group, or people with the same ideology, that there are groups who do not have armies that will fight in their interest.

 

And for those people, the option is often flee or die trying.

Probably much like many of the German soldiers in the world wars - I suspect a large proportion of them wanted to be in the trenches and on the frontline about as much as the British soldiers did! But if they'd refused to join, they would have suffered some punishment for refusing to join up, no matter what their own personal politics were regarding what they were fighting for.

British people joined or were conscripted into the army to defend their country and way of life in the 2 world wars.

At the end of the day it is soldiers who uphold "human rights".

One can not always expect others to do the fighting for them even though they would not normally choose a military career.

British people joined or were conscripted into the army to defend their country and way of life in the 2 world wars.

At the end of the day it is soldiers who uphold "human rights".

One can not always expect others to do the fighting for them even though they would not normally choose a military career.

But, the main problem with 'these countries' is that it's their own armed forces doing the raping,killing of innocents and ignorance of 'human rights'. This is why they're fleeing in the first place. I don't think the 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' theory is a goer...

So chem1st what you are saying is;

Its ok for some people to leave and make a better life for themselves.

Later its ok for those that stayed behind and could not be bothered to go and make an effort to come along and take advantage of those pioneers.

So things get bad again and the pioneering types again leave to make a better life whilst the parisites stay behind until its time to exploit the pioneers again.

Rinse and repeat ad infinitum

And you think that is ok....