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29-11-2016, 10:06   #21
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Why?
Is he dying. Has his head fallen off. Is he gushing blood. What the hell does he need an ambulance for.

The OP has already said this has been going on for weeks. What is the emergency exactly? Why does he get priority over someone else whom a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL deems is more urgent.

Yes he is in severe pain. Yes that is clearly distressing and upsettng for all involved, but perhaps, just perhaps there is simply nothing further they can do right now.

From what I read I would strongly argue that the hospital and doctors do "give a toss". In fact they have taken many steps in this 7 week period. There has been GP attendances and referrals, he has been admitted for previous overnight admission, they have already done some tests and provided medication, He has returned for further examination and had alternative medication provided. Now we have arrangements for more testing which will take place in due course.

All well and good people mouthing off saying "not leaving hospital until they find out what's wrong and treat it" but this is the real world. It doesn't work like that. They dont wave a magic wand and make people better. Diagnosis and treatment can take time.

I am not unsympathetic that he is clearly in pain at home but what on earth would lying in a hospital bed in pain do to improve the situation. This is a hospital bed which some other patient with more pressing need will be denied.

If the OP really wants these tests NOW as they said, they can go privately and get them. Until then, the NHS is as it is, the doctors are doing what their skills and experience tell them to do on the patient, and they are just going to have to make the situation best as possible and await the further proposed diagnostics and treatment.

He has not been denied treatment. He has not been misdiagnosed. He has not been negligently treated. What exactly is the legal action the OP seeks here.

Clearly there is no idea as to the test that needs to be established to prove negligence nor the hurdles to be overcome. Bottom line is, would another doctor faced with the same symptoms do anything different to that which has already been done? Perhaps they need to find out about that.
Well actually, Yes. If you bothered to look in my op you would have seen what action I wanted. For the hospital to do something.
Thankfully my son finally saw someone yesterday eveing who was annoyed and angry he had been left in pain for so long
He is now vomiting blood by the way. A complaint has been raised and my son is due to have surgery later this morning.

For the record, Watch your child lose well over a stone in a few weeks, not be able to eat, get more and more ill and then be sent home multiple times having had the same tests done over and over.
Then finally, when you begin to believe your child is seriously ill a consultant tells you that yes, there is something wrong and we need to open them up to see what it is, then write a piece of crap like your post mate.

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if I read it correctly the son has been readmitted to hospital.
You did and he has been. He is medicated to the eyeballs right now. The pain still wont move though.

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Have to agree with eccoonoob on this one.

In this situation it is the GP and the Drs who have seen him at A&E who a ones in the superior position. You can ask them if there is a delay or why they have chosen to take the actions they have, to better understand what they are looking for. If they say they cnat do anything without the test results, but dont feel they are an emergency then you can decide to pay for them yourself and ask if that would help. If not you will need to wait in line along with everyone else.

I might try and get a second opinion or look it up myself, but mostly I would have to wait if it were me and trust the Drs to do the job they were trained for. If things deteriorated I would be straight back to A&E.
So you would watch your kid waste away, puke blood, not eat, not drink, not sleep, cry in pain daily and yet you would still listen to someone who says theres nothing to be found?
Really?
The consultant we saw disagrees with you strongly.
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29-11-2016, 10:14   #22
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Good to hear your son is getting the attention he needs now. Hope they come up with a diagnosis and treatment soon, and most importantly that your son stops hurting.
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29-11-2016, 10:16   #23
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Hope you find what's up soon!
Thank you

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Good to hear your son is getting the attention he needs now. Hope they come up with a diagnosis and treatment soon, and most importantly that your son stops hurting.
Thank you. Thats very nice of you to say
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29-11-2016, 11:41   #24
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ECCOnoob - kind of for you really, but also just putting it out there.

Last year my wife had stomach pain for a while, she was given pain killers by our GP initially. She carried on with life/work and tried to ignore the pain thinking it was a bad case of wind, but the pain wouldn't go away and was gradually getting worse. Since it was getting more and more painful, she saw our GP again a couple of times, and then given a hospital appointment for a scan about 4 weeks ahead, and then finally the GP agreed to send her by ambulance to hospital for an emergency scan.
After waiting several hours, a consultant came to see her. Pressed her belly a couple of times and said not to worry, go home as it's not that bad - come back for the scan appointment in about 4 weeks time. I refused to let her go home and insisted on a second opinion there and then, as I could see she was in severe pain by this time. The first consultant was useless, wouldn't listen, was very off-hand and treated us like we were just a bother.
A second consultant saw her and immediately got her in for an emergency scan, straight after that she needed emergency surgery. Her gall bladder had basically come apart and pieces were getting where they shouldn't - and so needed urgently removing!

I dread to think how much worse she would have got had we just followed 'instructions' and gone home. If there's one thing I learnt from this - it's that this IS the real world, this IS what happens, and it does work to 'mouth off'. Don't ever let them fob you off, we know ourselves and our own families far better than a 2 minute consultation will tell a professional.
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29-11-2016, 11:54   #25
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hope the surgery goes well and they manage to fix the problem.
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29-11-2016, 11:55   #26
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Bottletop, great illustration of why tenacity is important sometimes. I wonder what happens behind the scenes with the doctor who made the initial error. Is it overlooked and they keep on? Does someone have a word?

I know everyone makes errors, but with life and death at play, I hope doctors are humble enough to learn from them.
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29-11-2016, 12:13   #27
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I know gp's usually get moved to a different surgery if they make a serious mistake, dunno about hospital doctors.
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29-11-2016, 18:49   #28
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Doctors are human and are therefore not infallible. My mum was really ill once and her GP refused to admit that there anything wrong with her. Eventually she was admitted into A&E and the consultant couldn't believe it and gave the GP the most almighty bollocking. She was transferred to Hammersmith in London because they had a specialist unit there and eventually made a full recovery.

The patient in my opinion knows best if there is something genuinely wrong. Always get a second opinion and as soon as possible. Time is critical as it seems to be here. The only issue here is that the OP should have been beating the door down.
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29-11-2016, 19:04   #29
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How did the surgery go today? Does it look like progress. Our thoughts are with you and your son and the rest of the family.

I hope you're joking about the guilt. You and his mum sound like you really came through once you realised how serious it was.
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29-11-2016, 19:29   #30
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How did the surgery go today? Does it look like progress. Our thoughts are with you and your son and the rest of the family.

I hope you're joking about the guilt. You and his mum sound like you really came through once you realised how serious it was.
Hi, Thanks for your concern and your nice words. Surgery was postponed today. The poor bugger got all geared up for it only for it to be cancelled a few hours before. In fairness the hospital gave a very good reason and assured us it wont impact on him and he WILL have all necessary procedures done before they let him leave. When he will be able to leave is guesswork at the minute.
The guilt? Nope thats real im afraid but as a parent Im sure its natural and will pass in time. Me nd his mum were up most of the night trying to find out if we could have done something sooner. In the end we fell asleep in the living room having made zero progress and came to the conclusion we have done our best. It feels hollow though.
Ah, the joys of parenting lol
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29-11-2016, 19:35   #31
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Hi, Thanks for your concern and your nice words. Surgery was postponed today. The poor bugger got all geared up for it only for it to be cancelled a few hours before. In fairness the hospital gave a very good reason and assured us it wont impact on him and he WILL have all necessary procedures done before they let him leave. When he will be able to leave is guesswork at the minute.
The guilt? Nope thats real im afraid but as a parent Im sure its natural and will pass in time. Me nd his mum were up most of the night trying to find out if we could have done something sooner. In the end we fell asleep in the living room having made zero progress and came to the conclusion we have done our best. It feels hollow though.
Ah, the joys of parenting lol
Seeing anyone in pain is bad but I cannot imagine seeing my own kid like that, Best of luck to you all Happy Daddy.
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01-12-2016, 12:56   #32
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Just wanted you to know you and your family were being thought about. Hope the surgery went well.
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01-12-2016, 17:00   #33
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Any news? We're all thinking about you x
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02-12-2016, 12:21   #34
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Seeing anyone in pain is bad but I cannot imagine seeing my own kid like that, Best of luck to you all Happy Daddy.
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Just wanted you to know you and your family were being thought about. Hope the surgery went well.
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Any news? We're all thinking about you x
Thank you for that. Thats very nice of you all.
The good news is, We get him back today, hes coming home and Im ecstatic. The bad news is He is looking very thin and still in quite a bit of pain, the hospital decided against surgery in the end. Im not sure why because there still has not been a firm diagnosis of what is wrong but they have found some medication that helps the pain. He will still be having tests but as an out patient, why he cant have these why he is actually in hospital I dont know but we have been promised the tests will happen and soon. For an 18 year old lad he has had some pretty invasive procedures over the past week so I guess being at home with his family will please him a fair bit. I know ill be very happy to get my boy back home.
I just want to say a big thank you to you, Bertyboop, Dozer and Mickey Finn for your words of concern and your nice thoughts and to anyone else who has thought about my boy or given me any advice.
Thank you
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02-12-2016, 13:36   #35
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glad they managed to ease the pain somewhat and are going to do some more tests.

has he managed to eat anything? even a fortisip drink or a forticreme pudding would be a good thing to keep his strength up.
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02-12-2016, 14:30   #36
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Very happy to hear he has some medication to ease his pain. He will be better and more comfortable with you at home. If you need anything at all just message me and I'll do what I can.
I'm here if you need a chat x
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02-12-2016, 14:38   #37
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I'm glad your son is showing some improvement. However, you shouldn't be surprised that surgery wasn't carried out if there is no firm diagnosis. Exploratory surgery presents an unnecessary risk - particularly if recovery is compromised by lack of nutrition.
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06-12-2016, 10:48   #38
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Please forgive the lateness of my reply. Having the lad back has been a joy but as hes still in pain and requiring tests things are still a bit tricky.

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glad they managed to ease the pain somewhat and are going to do some more tests.

has he managed to eat anything? even a fortisip drink or a forticreme pudding would be a good thing to keep his strength up.
Smoothies! Lots of different home made smoothies. He loves them and can keep them down. Solids are a bit more of a challenge though but he will get there

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Very happy to hear he has some medication to ease his pain. He will be better and more comfortable with you at home. If you need anything at all just message me and I'll do what I can.
I'm here if you need a chat x
Thank you for that. Thats really nice of you
He has gone back to college today. He is excited and looking forward to it. The college have been ace, really helpful and are going to keep him on campus for the whole day and monitor him for us. If he is in pain or throws up or anything they are going to contact me to fetch him home. They even supplied homework for him so he wouldnt fall too far behind.
Sheffield college have really helped him whilst he has been going through all this

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I'm glad your son is showing some improvement. However, you shouldn't be surprised that surgery wasn't carried out if there is no firm diagnosis. Exploratory surgery presents an unnecessary risk - particularly if recovery is compromised by lack of nutrition.
Thanks for that (love the name by the way )
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08-12-2016, 22:56   #39
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I hope your son obtains a diagnosis and wish him the best for a full rapid recovery.

On the taking action against a hospital issue, be careful with this as in brief I had major surgery at the NGH, the wound got infected and I was discharged on Christmas eve, rushed back in a few hours later in agony, given three times the maximum of intravenous penicillin allowed sent home with more, came back in again and the same procedure done then sent home then returned again then it happened, a massive allergic reaction to the penicillin - they couldn't spare an ambulance so a family member took me to the RHH and the consultant there was horrified. I nearly died that night, the pain was awful.

When I complained a few months later the consultant shut the door on me. A few months later I had everything in place to take them to the cleaners and the NGH conveniently 'lost my notes' case ended.

I've had 4 surgeries since including more on the same area as a result of that shambles however had the surgery been performed correctly then maybe the extra expense of the additional surgeries could've been avoided by the NHS however I've made it perfectly clear that I will never go into the NGH for another procedure.

I also think its worrying when another medical professional says to you that they wouldn't have surgery in there either!

I wish you well whatever you decide to do, stick to your guns

My suggestion to you would be to get hold of the notes and copy the lot BEFORE you venture down the action route otherwise you may also fall into the 'Lost notes' section
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Sorry to hear about your situation. I hope you are fully recovered and 100% well again.
An update...
My son is much worse now, he was taken back to hospital and is seemingly getting worse daily.
The hospital have been terrible with incidents ranging from denying him his pain relief and denying him his other meds, giving him medication he is allergic to, leaving him covered in blood after he had some sort of panic attack and tore his drip out of his arm. The list goes on and I need to move hospitals before they bloody kill him. I was all for NGH but having read your story Norseman im none too keen.
Ive been told we can transfer to any hospital.
Can anyone please recommend a hospital for my lad?
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