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It seems as though every Country in the East who we have helped? to remove the leader or dictator has now turned out much worse than it actually was when these despots where actually in charge .

 

Millions of people are now on the move trying to escape these Countries even after we are supposed to have liberated them .

 

All the above now have religious dictators who are just as bad as the ones they (with our help ) got rid off.

 

Is Syria the next failed victim of our interference ,is it time for us to say that we have just wasted time along with millions of pounds and lost lives on lost causes.

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As despotic as the previous leaders were they had one thing in their favour, they had control.

 

Dictators may be unpalatable to us but at least we knew who they were and to a certain extent could negotiate with them.

 

They kept control by brutality, but at least they had it.

 

Our interference has caused chaos, there are now numerous factions all of whom hate our guts for our meddling, there is no way to control them and no way to negotiate, because whilst you could probably bribe or coerce Gaddafi or Saddam we are now dealing with a load of Bin Laden wanna be's who are unreasoning fanatics.

 

That worked out well didn't it?

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Some of the factions, particularly in Libya, asked us for help. FSA asked us for - we thought they were the good guys. Some might have been, some lied, some switched sides.

 

I hope we don't get boots on the ground in Syria despite the atrocities going on out there. It will blow back on us eventually.

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Yes it's become crystal clear that despite our revulsion at many dictators they are actually the lesser of two evils.

 

Clearly some populations are so divided the only thing keeping them in check is a brutal dictator.

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It seems as though every Country in the East who we have helped? to remove the leader or dictator has now turned out much worse than it actually was when these despots where actually in charge .

 

Millions of people are now on the move trying to escape these Countries even after we are supposed to have liberated them .

 

All the above now have religious dictators who are just as bad as the ones they (with our help ) got rid off.

 

Is Syria the next failed victim of our interference ,is it time for us to say that we have just wasted time along with millions of pounds and lost lives on lost causes.

 

 

Turned out much worse for whom?

I'm glad Saddam has gone. He would be cauing a lot more trouble now if he hadnt been deposed.

 

Imo there would also be a lot more people on the move.

 

Whilst I'd hardly call any of them a success overall they did achieve limited objectives which affects the effectiveness of terrorism against the UK.

 

Afghanistan- failed to wipe out the Taliban, but AQ were removed or have been largely made irrelevant now. If they had been left intact then we could have expected many more terrorist attacks. Are we forgetting 9//11 and 7/7? Islamist extremists wnat to destroy our way of life, they will attack because of who we are.

 

Iraq? A mess but it removed Saddam who was destabilising for the region. Much worse for the people of Iran though and a monumental mess by the USA in not having a proper post conflict plan.

 

Syria? No boots on the ground and not our fault Assad started killing his own people. Civil war was always coming. western intervention has been about stopping IS and if they hadnt intervened then IS would be much stronger these days instead of in retreat and losing ground. A stronger IS means even more refugees and more attacks. Uk intervention has been minimal and has been about ISIS. If wed intervened proper then wed have boots on the ground and removed Assad and ISIS.

 

Libya? Gadaffi was unstable/ mad so they were heading towards civil war anyway. the intervention stopped an immediate massacre, but I think it was always destined to be the mess it is. Too many militias and weapons floating around.

 

Which countries are the ones with the religious dictators you talk of?

 

Libyans fleeing are just as much economic migrants

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The west inparticular the United States are insistent thar democracy is the only acceptable form of government and the determination of the west to remove governments that do not suit has lead to the situation we are in today. Democratic governments are only any good if the population are prepared to accept the decision of the ballot box no matter what. Factions, splinter groups and division creating the vacuum for Isis and others to infiltrate unstable countries has lead to the situation we are in. You reep what you sow and we have been sowing bad seed since the 90s.

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6 posters, and every one makes sense.

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Turned out much worse for whom?

I'm glad Saddam has gone. He would be cauing a lot more trouble now if he hadnt been deposed.

really?

 

we now have a power vaccuum in these places, we have no control in these places, we have a hot bed of terrorist training camps in these places, which is now spreading across the world

 

all of that was and still would be under the control of a despotic (admittedly) leader.

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make that 7.

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really?

 

we now have a power vaccuum in these places, we have no control in these places, we have a hot bed of terrorist training camps in these places, which is now spreading across the world

 

all of that was and still would be under the control of a despotic (admittedly) leader.

 

When Saddam was overthrown his generals were totally ignored and left to fend for themselves by both British and US troops. Guess what a bunch of them are the leaders of ISIS.

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really?

 

we now have a power vaccuum in these places, we have no control in these places, we have a hot bed of terrorist training camps in these places, which is now spreading across the world

 

all of that was and still would be under the control of a despotic (admittedly) leader.

 

Go through the places and stop treating them as one. They are different.

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It hasn't finished yet. Iran is the next state that is intended to be smashed up, if Assad can be toppled in Syria first.

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