Oldtrout   10 #13 Posted March 28, 2013 We are in a flat, albeit not a council property, and on meter for our water. They connected the meter to the cold inlet pipe in our riser and I believe will still install meters for free. I would have thought that this should be able to be done in other flats unless the plumbing is convoluted. With meter, for two of us, we pay around £250 per annum. The council will reach that figure via the rateable values, as mentioned earlier.  Well those charges sound more like it!  So it is possible to have a water meter in a flat. That's useful info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dawny1970   10 #14 Posted March 28, 2013 Well the plot thickens, according to ofwat, as scc are a reseller of the water companys services they are supposed to provide you with a breakdown of how the bill is worked out and they are not allowed to charge more than £5 per year admin, looks like scc are being very naughty here and breaching ofwat regs!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
HJL_Shef   10 #15 Posted March 28, 2013 Well the plot thickens, according to ofwat, as scc are a reseller of the water companys services they are supposed to provide you with a breakdown of how the bill is worked out and they are not allowed to charge more than £5 per year admin, looks like scc are being very naughty here and breaching ofwat regs!!!!  How do you know they charge you more than £5 pa admin? You can't presume that the discrepancy between average values is an admin charge. Does your water bill not get broken down into water usage, sewerage and surface water drainage then? These are the three 'usage' splits, the latter two being calculated by equations based on usage and on roof area versus number of tenements respectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
No User Name   10 #16 Posted March 28, 2013 How do you know they charge you more than £5 pa admin? You can't presume that the discrepancy between average values is an admin charge. Does your water bill not get broken down into water usage, sewerage and surface water drainage then? These are the three 'usage' splits, the latter two being calculated by equations based on usage and on roof area versus number of tenements respectively.  I find it hard to believe a council flat would have a ratable value that would equate to a £423.50 bill (taking off the fiver) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #17 Posted March 28, 2013 Where a property doesn't have a water meter, the charge is based on the old rateable value. We (two of us) have a meter, never have baths just showers (not a power shower), and have a water butt for the garden. We pay nearly £500 a year. We're trying to work out if we've got a leak somewhere.  Bloomin' eck..we pay less than that without a meter.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dromedary   166 #18 Posted March 28, 2013 I find it hard to believe a council flat would have a ratable value that would equate to a £423.50 bill (taking off the fiver)  Well mine is over £500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #19 Posted March 28, 2013 Well the plot thickens, according to ofwat, as scc are a reseller of the water companys services they are supposed to provide you with a breakdown of how the bill is worked out and they are not allowed to charge more than £5 per year admin, looks like scc are being very naughty here and breaching ofwat regs!!!!  Does it give the rateable value of your flat anywhere on the bill..on ours it does...although we don't live in a council property... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
HJL_Shef   10 #20 Posted March 28, 2013 I find it hard to believe a council flat would have a ratable value that would equate to a £423.50 bill (taking off the fiver)  So do I, as it happens, but I don't know anything about the OP's property. See http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/consumerissues/chargesbills/unmetered/rv for details on Rateable Value.  To do some quick calculations based on Yorkshire Water's charges document and a random rateable value:  1990 property price, £75,000 = RV of 75. 2013/14 water supply charges = £1.29 per £1 RV (£96.75) plus standing charge of £42.62 (£139.37) Assuming house is connected to surface drainage, sewerage = £1.53 per £1 RV (£114.75) plus standing charge of £47.89 (£162.64) Plus surface water drainage charges, assuming small roof area, of £45.96 = £347.97  I think I've got that around about right. So yes, a 1990 property value of c. £90,000 could produce a bill around £430 pa, if I've done the calculations correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
No User Name   10 #21 Posted March 28, 2013 And how many flats were worth £90k in 1990 in Sheffield? Not many in council stock, if any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #22 Posted March 28, 2013 And how many flats were worth £90k in 1990 in Sheffield? Not many in council stock, if any.  That's why I posted #19.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
No User Name   10 #23 Posted March 28, 2013 That's why I posted #19..  Well a rateable value of £90k would put you in council tax band E. There are going to be hardly any flats in Band E with the exception of the odd city centre penthouse.  Therefore the figures in the opening post look very high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #24 Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) So do I, as it happens, but I don't know anything about the OP's property. See http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/consumerissues/chargesbills/unmetered/rv for details on Rateable Value. To do some quick calculations based on Yorkshire Water's charges document and a random rateable value:  1990 property price, £75,000 = RV of 75. 2013/14 water supply charges = £1.29 per £1 RV (£96.75) plus standing charge of £42.62 (£139.37) Assuming house is connected to surface drainage, sewerage = £1.53 per £1 RV (£114.75) plus standing charge of £47.89 (£162.64) Plus surface water drainage charges, assuming small roof area, of £45.96 = £347.97  I think I've got that around about right. So yes, a 1990 property value of c. £90,000 could produce a bill around £430 pa, if I've done the calculations correctly.  How does 75k correlate to a reateable value of 75? 75what?  I've worked the figures using what we know..and the charges from YW's websie  Water supply standing charge...£42.62 Sewerage Charge...................£47.89  Total Standing Charge £90.51  Total bill £428.50  Total - Standing charge = £337.99  sewerage charge = £1.53/£ rateable value  Supply charge = £1.29/£rateable value  Total charge = £2.8214/Rateable value  Rateable value= = £337.99/2.8214= £119.79  How does the reateable value relate to the actual value of the property?  What's wrong with my calcs..? Edited March 28, 2013 by truman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...