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02-05-2006, 11:07   #1
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Our friendly political party are claiming that Searchlight (hope not hate) are commiting a criminal act by telephone canvassing asking voters not to vote for BNP candidates on Thursday. The Party want people to record the calls to pass evidence on to the Police to demand for a criminal investigation into Searchlight’s pre-election activities.

However searchlight (not a political party) who are an anti facist campaign magazine cite that the party have also been telephone canvassing. Is it illegal for someone who is not a political candidate or representing a party to ask people not to vote for a particular candidate?

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02-05-2006, 11:09   #2
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It's not illegal to ask, but telephone canvassing is a different kettle of fish.
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02-05-2006, 11:15   #3
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It's not illegal to ask, but telephone canvassing is a different kettle of fish.
How so Joe? I know parties do telephone canvassing.
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02-05-2006, 11:23   #4
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http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/s...abloid2004.pdf

Another good link.
The councillors bit
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02-05-2006, 11:29   #5
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http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/s...abloid2004.pdf

Another good link.
The councillors bit
I couldn't possibly comment
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02-05-2006, 11:51   #6
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Take a look at :

http://www.informationcommissioner.g...refomatted.pdf

This explains the rules.

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02-05-2006, 16:50   #7
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Thanks for that Joep, so as long as they abide by the rules and don't call people on the tps list its fine. So why do the BNP say that searchlight are committing a criminal offence?
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02-05-2006, 18:18   #8
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Because the BNP are lying hypocritical morons with a very short memory and an even shakier grasp of history

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I had a look at their online tv today. Shocked at the amazing propoganda they post on there.
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02-05-2006, 18:31   #10
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Well any group who phones me and ask me not to vote the BNP or any other political party will be told to go forth. They can always create their own political party....or have they (Respect?)
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Well any group who phones me and ask me not to vote the BNP or any other political party will be told to go forth. They can always create their own political party....or have they (Respect?)
Searchlight are just a campaigning group, not a party. They do have supporters though which is why the BNP are trying again to discredit them.
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Searchlight are just a campaigning group, not a party. They do have supporters though which is why the BNP are trying again to discredit them.
Well if they do have supporters then these supporters will obviously be voting to it is political. No one should have the right to try to discredit any party. They (as part of a party) should sell the benefits of a party not discredit othes.
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Well if they do have supporters then these supporters will obviously be voting to it is political. No one should have the right to try to discredit any party. They (as part of a party) should sell the benefits of a party not discredit othes.
Why, exactly, should people be deprived of the right to discredit a political party?

That would mean political parties would be beyond criticism....
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Why, exactly, should people be deprived of the right to discredit a political party?

That would mean political parties would be beyond criticism....
I agree Phan,

I thought thats what politicians did.. at least Mr Camerons been having a really good bash at it this week.
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Well if they do have supporters then these supporters will obviously be voting to it is political. No one should have the right to try to discredit any party. They (as part of a party) should sell the benefits of a party not discredit othes.
Does that include leaders of the major religions as they, too, are asking people not to vote for single issue racist parties?
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nowt wrong with bnp they get my vote. sorry to say most sheffielders are blind to whats going off around them..... only squel when a problems in their back garden.......
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Searchlight are just a campaigning group, not a party.
There's something rather sinister and undemocratic, however, about an organisation which doesn't put up candidates itself but devotes itself to attacking people who do submit themselves to the democratic process.
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There's something rather sinister and undemocratic, however, about an organisation which doesn't put up candidates itself but devotes itself to attacking people who do submit themselves to the democratic process.
Just a shame they weren't around in 1930's Germany.
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Why, exactly, should people be deprived of the right to discredit a political party?

That would mean political parties would be beyond criticism....
The easiest thing for any party is discrediting those who are in power. The hardest part of the job comes when they are in power which is a shame as they often dont sell their own agenda (or keep it hidden)

I just disagree with this 'dont vote' view or criticising a partys policies. Why not tell me instead what you would do for my constituency or country??

Is it right for the Torys to go round asking voters not to vote for Labour? Why not say 'Vote for Tory because.....'?

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I thought thats what politicians did.. at least Mr Camerons been having a really good bash at it this week....
That is what they have done?? So the Torys would be squeeky clean?

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Does that include leaders of the major religions as they, too, are asking people not to vote for single issue racist parties?....
Good question Max as this can be seen differently? It's something i'd have to give thought to without an off the cuff reply but again you may have religious leaders asking ppl not to vote for the BNP beacuse of their racist views (fair comment) but then you may get a Muslim leader asking ppl not to vote for the BNP when a Respect candidate is standing in the same ward. As Respect have the 'pro-Muslim' stigma then it coudl be viewed differently????
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nowt wrong with bnp they get my vote. sorry to say most sheffielders are blind to whats going off around them..... only squel when a problems in their back garden.......
Squels in the back garden ...do you mean squirrels ibmibm?

Have the BNP have an official policy on squirrels......I know...repatriate the red back to North America.....they come over here...take our nuts....beat up our squirrels.......always hibernating.......
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