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10-01-2011, 00:52   #821
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I'm sick and tired of people who believe the official account taking this argument away from what it is and arguing over small possibilities of what might or might not have happened.

For a start Longcol argued that the alleged bombers copied Panorama now he's saying Paorama had a lorrie not a bus when I argued the bus was part Peter Powers mock exercises. Seems the argument changes to fit the agenda.
Any evidence that Peter Power's exercise involved a vehicle? I've only heard him talking about train / underground stations.

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Lets just look at what evidence there is that four Muslim men did the bombings.

Two cctv stills both of which are very poor qaulity but on a previous date 28/06the qaulity is much better. Only two cctv stills have been produced and no moving cctv footage of the bombers on 7/7?
A lot of CCTV footage is only recorded once every second or so. This means it's difficult to get moving footage, as people move through the frame quite quickly. All four frames of the four bombers passing the camera at Luton have been released as video - Longcol has posted the link numerous times.

I've been able to find a better quality image from 7/7 than any from 28/06 - however the light levels are completely different, making the contrast better on the earlier images.

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Are you seriousely telling me that Luton station cctv, Kings x thameslink cctv, London underground cctv, Bus cctv, all mal functioned on the same day?
Kings Cross Thameslink and Underground stations were sharing a temporary system (due to the upgrades to the station) which had malfunctioned, with the system only recording one camera instead of rotating round the cameras. This one working camera gives us the still image of them passing through KX Thameslink (again, only recording once a second).

Nobody has revealed whether the CCTV cameras on platforms, both at Luton and on the Underground are recorded - their primary function is to allow the drivers of trains to see the entire length of their trains. I did read a few years ago that they weren't recorded, but whether that has changed, or had done by the date of the attacks, I don't know)

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The fact that two poor qaulity cctv stills have been provided as evidence means the cameras were not mal functioning so why has this been given as a reason?

Where is the moving cctv footage?
See above.

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Why is the moving cctv footage of JL in Luton station car park time stamped two minutes before he actually left the inside of Luton station???
How is the time stamp generated? Has it been referenced to a known accurate source. I personally know of a CCTV system which needs its clock regularaly resetting as the system drifts. This isn't a problem provided you have a method of finding out the inaccuracy, in this case, the adjacent machine has a properly working clock, and they share cameras, so you can use the time from the other system.

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Why did the authorities stick to the claim that the alleged bombers caught the cancelled 07.40 train? It should have been clear from reviewing cctv footage exactly which train they caught?
We don't know if any CCTV footage of the bombers catching the Thameslink train exists. There is apparently on board CCTV footage of at least one of the underground trains, but the authorities do not wish to release this footage at present (probably due to the fact that it contains lots of footage of people who are about to be murdered or critically injured).

Why they stuck with their story about the 0740 train is currently unknown. It doesn't really suggest any of the alternative theories either - lets say this was a false flag attack - what do the organisers gain by telling us the bombers caught a non-existant train? I firmly put this one down to either incompetance or stress.

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Can any of the official accounters answer these questions? I've notcied the official accounters have ignored these questions throughout the whole of the thread to focus on side issues.
In fact most of those questions have already been asked (admittedly in slightly different words) and answered. The main reason the side issues keep coming back into play is that is where the conspiracy lies - the reliance on minor insignificant things which were mostly innacurrate reporting or the result of mistakes.
 
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Not just n the context of this thread - but do you really believe that to be true?
Certainly - go to the website of Hills "Friends" - can you see any evidence they've tried to get it in the press (apart from the usual conspiracy websites)?

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons

It is a hard site to navigate - but apart from getting together a couple of web petitions and a "music campaign" which seems to be going nowhere fast - can't see anything to suggest they're anything like competent.

If you were a serious journalist would you run a story with this to back you up?
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Lets just look at what evidence there is that four Muslim men did the bombings.
Bodies and remains of bodies found at the crime scene. House in Leeds where the bombs were made. Suicide videos.

Simplest way from A to B.
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Bodies and remains of bodies found at the crime scene. House in Leeds where the bombs were made. Suicide videos.

Simplest way from A to B.

When were the so-called "suicide-videos" made? Before, or after, Khan and Tanweer's journey to Pakistan in 2004?

Do they mention a specific target? Do they mention a date?

Why was the video production house al-Sahab, which was also responsible for several fake Bin Laden videos, chosen to produce these tapes?

Where are the "suicide-videos" of Hasib Hussain and Jermaine Lindsay? Or their "suicide-notes"?

Why would they buy return train-tickets?

Why would Hasib Hussain drop his rucksack to the ground outside a WH Smith's store, and rummage around in it for over 2 minutes, just yards away from a security guard, instead of heading into a restroom where he'd have more privacy to fiddle with his "bomb"?

Why did Hasib Hussain allow 12 people to get off the no. 91 bus moments before "detonating his bomb"?

Why did one of these 12 people (where/who are the others, whose statements have never been heard?) - Richard Jones, (inadvertently?) state that he had stepped off that bus at his "destination", when that bus had been diverted from its normal route? Why didn't the "serious" reporters/editors who wrote/published story after story of his claim of having seen a "suicide-bomber" on the bus, grill him on his many contradictions?

How did the head of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, find out something was going to happen, in order to send a warning to Netanyahu, as he finally admitted in an interview with the Bild am Sonntag?

How did Efraim Halevi, a former head of the Mossad, writing in the Jerusalem Post that same day, know that the execution of the attacks had only been "near-perfect" and not "perfect", even though so many deaths and injuries had occurred? How did he know there had been "careful planning, intelligence gathering and a sophisticated choice of timing"? Who was he really praising?

How did Tony Blair know, on that same afternoon*, that the official story was going to blame Islamic extremists as having been responsible, days before the alleged spotting of the four men acting suspiciously during the reviewing of CCTV footage?

* "We know that these people act in the name of Islam" - Tony Blair, July 7th 2005 (around 5 PM).

Why do you want to believe that the press not reporting on Muad'Dib's story is evidence of the press not having been told, or of others' incompetence? Are the press too "incompetent" to write their own account of what is happening, do they need spoon-feeding? Are you the secretary for all the members of the press, in order to "know" there is no evidence of the press having been contacted? Or do you just say the first thing that is put in your head when it comes to hating on Muad'Dib and his friends?
 
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Why do you want to believe that the press not reporting on Muad'Dib's story is evidence of the press not having been told, or of others' incompetence? Are the press too "incompetent" to write their own account of what is happening, do they need spoon-feeding? Are you the secretary for all the members of the press, in order to "know" there is no evidence of the press having been contacted? Or do you just say the first thing that is put in your head when it comes to hating on Muad'Dib and his friends?

The press need good leads, alerting by good quality press releases backed up by facts.

Muad'Dib and his friends are rather good at making themselves appear ridiculous.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons

Thay can provide really snappy copy for the the leaflet campaign / press release.

http://mtrial.org/pressrelease/05122010#comment-149

I don't hate anyone btw - calling people incompetent isn't hating people - just pointing out pretty obvious facts.
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The press need good leads, alerting by good quality press releases backed up by facts.

Muad'Dib and his friends are rather good at making themselves appear ridiculous.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons

Thay can provide really snappy copy for the the leaflet campaign / press release.

http://mtrial.org/pressrelease/05122010#comment-149

I don't hate anyone btw - calling people incompetent isn't hating people - just pointing out pretty obvious facts.
It's a cover up ,and well you know it.
 
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It's a cover up ,and well you know it.
No, it isn't.

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It's a cover up ,and well you know it.
Yes of course it is Jay...........in your mind and a few dozen people who believe Hill is the real king.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons
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Yes of course it is Jay...........in your mind and a few dozen people who believe Hill is the real king.

http://mtrial.org/muaddib/reasons
There you go again.
Your tactics are so obvious,only a complete sap would think because a few wierdo's post some way out stuff on a website that supports the man/messiah means that the 7/7 bombings happened just like the government and press said it did .i'd rather have Hill as king than any of the pricks that we do have the power in this country anyway.

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There you go again.
Your tactics are so obvious,only a complete sap would think because a few wierdo's post some way out stuff on a website that supports the man/messiah means that the 7/7 bombings happened just like the government and press said it did .i'd rather have Hill as king than any of the pricks that we do have the power in this country anyway.
You'll make a convert yet Jay - next you'll be telling us that the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" aren't a fake.

How did the bodies of the four bombers come to be found at the crime scenes - some of them who'd rented a house to make the bombs?
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i'd rather have Hill as king than any of the pricks that we do have the power in this country anyway.
Really? You'd rather we repealled all of our laws, except those which Anthony specifically likes? You'd rather we could all have as many guns as we want (I notice this isn't working too well in America at the moment)? You'd rather women were treated as the property of their husbands and not as fellow human beings? You'd rather homosexuals were persecuted by the state? You'd rather everyone had the ability to imprison anyone else?

I'm sorry vResistance, I don't share your sunny outlook on the Messiah's great plans for the world. It actually seems almost as bad as the plans for the enslavement of the entire human race that the NWO are apparently planning, in fact it seems to be exactly the same idea, just put a different way.
 
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Really? You'd rather we repealled all of our laws, except those which Anthony specifically likes? You'd rather we could all have as many guns as we want (I notice this isn't working too well in America at the moment)? You'd rather women were treated as the property of their husbands and not as fellow human beings? You'd rather homosexuals were persecuted by the state? You'd rather everyone had the ability to imprison anyone else?

I'm sorry vResistance, I don't share your sunny outlook on the Messiah's great plans for the world. It actually seems almost as bad as the plans for the enslavement of the entire human race that the NWO are apparently planning, in fact it seems to be exactly the same idea, just put a different way.
You might want to help me out and provide some quotes/links to where he says this stuff,i have had a browse but can't find it.
I did find this though which i found interesting and is relevant to the topic-


"The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.

It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).

It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.

If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people."


...Why don't we pick the bones out of that ?
 
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Some more on CREVICE here from another.

http://iprd.org.uk/?p=48

The Institute for Policy Research & Development (IPRD) is an independent, non-profit, transdisciplinary research organisation promoting equality, sustainability and security. Based in London and founded in April 2001, the IPRD operates as a voluntary collective and global network of scholars, scientists and researchers.


"In April 2007, five British Muslims were sent to jail, in each case for at least twenty years under anti-terrorism legislation. Their crimes were said to be heinous – planning to set off explosive devices in packed nightclubs and shopping centres, plotting to poison burger vans at football matches and even contemplating the assassination of the Prime Minister. So wicked were their intentions that the presiding judge in the case warned them that they may never be released.
It seemed that the British public had dodged a bullet. Efficient intelligence and police work had quashed a plot that could have murdered hundreds. Justice had been served on a group of men who posed a pressing danger to society.
However, a closer examination of what was instantly labelled the “fertiliser bomb” case suggests that this is incorrect. Although the plotters may have been genuine, strong evidence suggests that at all stages of their activity, intelligence agencies monitored their progress. Not only were they monitored, but evidence also suggests that their training and preparation was facilitated by individuals who now enjoy protection by the British state. This raises serious questions about the relationship between the British government and terrorist networks.1
It also raises questions about the extent of state surveillance, which has expanded under the cover of the “war on terror.” The intelligence agencies rarely have to justify their activities, but Operation Crevice exposes fundamental flaws in their internal workings. Hopefully, this report will provide ammunition for those who seek accountability, openness, honesty and reform".

And some interesting stuff brought to light on this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWP-Pmw4zfE

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this vile and offensive thread still running, what a supprise.
 
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this vile and offensive thread still running, what a supprise.
Are you MI5 or something ?
 
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Are you MI5 or something ?
yes and we know what your thinking, as your tin hat is to thin.
 
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yes and we know what your thinking, as your tin hat is to thin.
Firmly in place thanks.
 
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You might want to help me out and provide some quotes/links to where he says this stuff,i have had a browse but can't find it.
I did find this though which i found interesting and is relevant to the topic-


"The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.

It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).

It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.

If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people."


...Why don't we pick the bones out of that ?
Lets see. Some unamed "ex-members of the intelligence services" have suggested that two of the terrorists "could" have been working for MI5? That's the extent of your "evidence".

Well, that didn't take long. Just a load of conjecture presented as proof.
 
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...Why don't we pick the bones out of that ?
Because it's merely conjecture, based on hearsay evidence from an unkown and quite possibly fictitious source, posted on a thread by someone who believes a lunatic is the real king.
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Throughout the year long trial which took place as a result of Operation Crevice; one of the Muslim men under surveillance, who was NOT on trial, was referred to as "Ibrahim". Code-name "Ibrahim" turned out to be none other than Mohammed Sidique Khan.

It is well-known that MI5 do not wish to reveal certain information relating to Khan because it would be harmful to national security, or so they say. The most logical conclusion is that Khan was one of their assets. Expendable, as it turned out.

The admission by MI5 that Khan was one of their assets would open up a further can of worms.

Khan was right in the thick of things in the so-called Crevice plot, but was never put on trial or thoroughly investigated. Only way that could happen is if orders to leave Khan alone came from higher-up.

Police understand that sometimes apparent criminals are actually informants, and would have had no problem in following the order, if it came, to back off from Khan.

This would make a lot more sense than the police failing to properly investigate him, given the connections he was forming with Crevice ringleaders, and furthermore failing to show any desire to prosecute him along with the others.

It would also explain the video in which he appears, made in 2003/2004 NOT 2005, because this, amongst other things, could have been used as "proof" to extremists, that he was "on their side", and thereby facilitate his work as an informant.

After the Crevice round-up and trial, extremists will have suspected Khan, as a result of him avoiding trial, and these suspicions will have meant he was no longer of any use to MI5. Not of use, and already knew too much.

Khan and the others obviously had a handler. Or Khan had one, and he in turn was the handler of the others. CCTV evidence (much of which has been edited out and is missing) suggests that contact was made with the occupants of a Jaguar car at Luton station car park, on 28th June and then on 7th July 2005. Two witnesses who were there also reported seeing five men together, not four.

The police explanation for not following up on this 5th man was very unsatisfactory, in fact it wasn't much of an explanation at all. They just said the lead was not important, without offering any reasons. Again, this suggests they were told not to investigate this 5th man, or that Jaguar.

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