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03-05-2006, 20:45   #81
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Searchlies targets are not always on the 'right'

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03-05-2006, 20:53   #82
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Of course I can he's in prison in Austria for a speech he made about twenty years ago in that country . Now apart from thinking Irvings a plank I dont think anyone left ,right or centre deserves to go to jail for a speech with the obviouse proviso that it isn't meant to incite acts of violence by those listening but thats another story .
This thread is about Searchlies do you support an organisation that has promoted violence against it's political opponents , an organisation that long before some internet skinhead thought of the 'redwatch' site printed names and addresses of those who's politics it disagrees with ?
Firstly, this poor, poor victim of that horrible burglary that you quoted is residing in an Austrian prison for violations of human rights, namely the denial of the holocaust...not for some innocent off the cuff remarks twenty years ago.
Secondly, Irving is far from being a plank - he is a highly intelligent, misguided and manipulative Crypto Nazi.
Thirdly, if you try to persuade people that one of the largest crimes in history perpetrated against millions of unarmed civilians (the shame of it) seems harmless then off to prison you go

Searchlight was highly active exposing the likes of Irving and other apologists for mass murderers. If Searchlights journalists gained access to information via 'unconventional methods' - this is a serious ethical discussion for principled journalists and their modus operandi. Countless journalists my friend have brushes with the law in their attempt to search out the truth.

Searchlight seeks out those truths and seeks to undermine the type of myths peddled by the likes of Irving and other apologists for Nazi/fascist hatred

Searchlight is safeguarding our liberty.
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03-05-2006, 21:03   #83
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Thirdly, if you try to persuade people that one of the largest crimes in history perpetrated against millions of unarmed civilians (the shame of it) seems harmless then off to prison you go
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Are you accusing me of this ?
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03-05-2006, 21:05   #84
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Teabag makes a perfect Searchlies argument dont answer any question just lie about anyone who you disagree with.
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03-05-2006, 21:08   #85
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Are you accusing me of this ?
Not wanting to speak for anyone else but I would suggest he was accusing Irving of this, not you.
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03-05-2006, 21:09   #86
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Do you agree with Irving, can you clarify your position? You seem to be slightly hesitant on this issue

You seem to be attacking Searchlight whose main job it seems is to flush out crypto nazis - what is your position on Germany in the 1930's for instance?

Are you saying that I lied about Irving? The holocaust? Be specific Varb.

I would be highly willing to openly discuss my views on the above - how about your views Varb?

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03-05-2006, 21:30   #87
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Do you agree with Irving, can you clarify your position? You seem to be slightly hesitant on this issue

You seem to be attacking Searchlight whose main job it seems is to flush out crypto nazis - what is your position on Germany in the 1930's for instance?

I would be highly willing to openly discuss my views on the above - how about your views Varb?

I'm not hesitant at all I called Irving a plank I should have been more clear I regard him and his views as offensive but I'm not a facist I believe in freedom of speech even for those who I find sickening .
I regard Searchlies as an extra arm of the labour party that it can use to incite violence against it's opponents simple as that.
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Are you saying that I lied about Irving? The holocaust? Be specific Varb.

I wish you'd stop editing your posts , point me to the bit I say your lying about Irving .
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I regard him and his views as offensive but I'm not a facist

WHHHAAA

irvings a fascist so if you find him offensive surely you dont have to tell people your not a fascist?
yours consfuddled
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I'm not hesitant at all I called Irving a plank I should have been more clear I regard him and his views as offensive but I'm not a facist I believe in freedom of speech even for those who I find sickening .
I regard Searchlies as an extra arm of the labour party that it can use to incite violence against it's opponents simple as that.
searchlights never been labour, ive never thought of it as labour its closer to militent and socialist worker in my eyes
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This thread is about Searchlies do you support an organisation that has promoted violence against it's political opponents , an organisation that long before some internet skinhead thought of the 'redwatch' site printed names and addresses of those who's politics it disagrees with ?

No takers
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searchlights never been labour, ive never thought of it as labour its closer to militent and socialist worker in my eyes
Socialist Worker? Wash your mouth out young man!

Red Action and AFA.

Mind you as Chair of the Uni Labour Club I did invite Gerry to address one of our meetings once. Nice chap!
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No takers
yup
i whole heartedly agree with the aims of searchlight
always have

searchlight was before redwatch too
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Socialist Worker? Wash your mouth out young man!

Red Action and AFA.

Mind you as Chair of the Uni Labour Club I did invite Gerry to address one of our meetings once. Nice chap!
sorry dude

i was trying to put in context of the sub labour leftie brigades so the "normal" people would maybe know who i was on about

afa? whooooooooo
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yup
i whole heartedly agree with the aims of searchlight
always have

searchlight was before redwatch too

Nice to know who the men who support violence as a political tool are , at least your honest .
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Nice to know who the men who support violence as a political tool are , at least your honest .
i was AT the irish march in sheff in the late 80s when we faced 200 nazi skinheads charging us

fair to say i dint just stand there
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03-05-2006, 22:05   #97
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Well me being a law abiding pacifist I'd better leave this thread to the Stalinist boot boys
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Why do I "scream racist"? Because that's what racism is! Why else would I say it?? Your post is a textbook example of racism. (if thinly veiled)
You may not think you are being racist, but you would have to be prejudiced to hold those views. It seems everyone can see it but you
and just to reiterate: OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS ARE NOT A SUBSPECIES
STOP ASSERTING THAT YOUR RACIST BIGOTRY IS A VALID "OPINION"!!!!!
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sorry to everyone else about having to use the caps lock there... rant over.
Please remember to be calm if it's your 'tread carefully week'.

We clearly do not share views on immigration and 'cultural diversity'. If you think my post exemplified textbook racism, I suggest you read more books. Or any books.

I live in England because, on the whole, it's English, and that's a good thing.

There are many fascinating and colourful cultures around the world, and I've visited quite a few of them, and worked months in some of those which might be described as culturally furthest removed from ours, and much though I have enjoyed those cultures and the experience of travelling through and working in different continents, I think they’re best placed where they are.
When I travel to a very different country, I accept that I must act within the bounds considered acceptable to the people and culture in that country, and obey its laws.

Why, would you be so kind as to explain to me, is it wrong for me to expect people coming to this country to offer the same courtesy? And why does it make me a racist if I object to people abusing our limp-wristed over-tolerant political system and the PC-obsessed morons in the current cabinet?
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03-05-2006, 22:17   #99
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searchlights never been labour, ive never thought of it as labour its closer to militent and socialist worker in my eyes
What's the difference apart from the supposed 'New Labour' veneer? Labour is still a lefty tax-the-talented party of class envy.
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What's the difference apart from the supposed 'New Labour' veneer? Labour is still a lefty tax-the-talented party of class envy.
LOOOOL new labours nowhere near socialist anymore

for 1 making plans with their buzzom buddies the us republicans and georgy bush


theyre more the middle if not right wing cos they aint left
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