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10-04-2017, 20:06   #1
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In January 1953 Ernie Wise and his new wife camped in an old bus at a petrol station "in the Lodge Moor area Of Sheffield" while Morecambe and Wise were in the pantomime "Dick Whittington" with Ken Platt. I have seen a picture of the bus up to it's wheel tops in snow but am now unable to trace the image although I've spoken to a number of people who have also seen it.

Ideally I'd like to see the picture if anyone knows where one can be found!

However, failing that I'd welcome suggestions as to which petrol station it was- along with a similar vintage picture if possible
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10-04-2017, 22:55   #2
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No photo but a recollection from a biography of Ernie Wise.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...201953&f=false
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11-04-2017, 12:53   #3
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Thank you. Any extra information is welcome.

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Can anybody point me in the direction of finding out what petrol stations there were in the Crosspool/Redmires/Lodge Moor areas in 1953?

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21-04-2017, 09:54   #4
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PictureSheffield has a picture, s33762 which is captioned "Redmires Service Station, Worcester Road, Lodge Moor". I can't imagine, now, where on Worcester Road it would be given that it is entirely residential. It has been suggested to me that it was actually on Redmires Road, possibly on the site of The Shiny Sheff but any information would be welcome.

I'm trying to find out which garage or service station Ernie Wise camped at in 1953 and this looks a possibility. Anecdotal evidence leads me to believe Eric Morecambe and his wife rented a house in Fulwood at the time of their stint in pantomime in Sheffield, and the Lodge Moor garage was as close to Eric that Ernie could park his Bedford camping bus.
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21-04-2017, 13:21   #5
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I have a vague memory of the filling station being on Redmires Road. In 1953, Lodge Moor was undeveloped, Hallam Grange Road for instance existed, but the major developments Barncliffe, Winchester, were started around 1960. Worcester Road was much later than this, so the filling station must have fronted Redmires Road, there was nowhere else for it to be, in my opinion. The only other filling station I can think of between Crosspool and Redmires, is Sandygate Motors, next to the Plough.
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21-04-2017, 13:36   #6
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The general lie of the land next to The Plough looks similar to that in the PictureSheffield photograph which was taken in the mid 60's but isn't enough to confirm one way or another. There are quotes elsewhere that imply the garage I'm looking for is indeed Sandygate Motors but so far I haven't been able to find the original photograph that prompted my search or a contemporary photograph of Sandygate Motors. I think the Worcester Road caption is simply an error.

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I've just been informed by a someone who was resident in the area in the 60's that the Redmires Service Station was indeed on Worcester Road until the early/mid 70's.. The proprietor was called Gordon Levick.

So, I now need to find pictures of two service stations!

If anyone can point me at 1950's pictures of Redmires and Sandygate service stations I'd be immensely grateful.
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21-04-2017, 17:22   #7
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Redmires Filling Station was on Worcester Road adjacent to the top shop, surgery?, on Rochester Road. At that time the top shop was a Gowers and Burgons supermarket.
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21-04-2017, 18:54   #8
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Oddly maybe, pictures of Gowers & Burgons seem easier to come by than pictures of the service station.
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21-04-2017, 21:17   #9
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Picture Sheffield s33762, or just enter picture Sheffield Redmires Service Station, apparently it was at the junction of Worcester Road/Drive.
The picture is dated 1964, not sure that this is correct as it is not listed in my 1968, Kelly's.
The questions remain - was it there in 1953, when the area was very sparsely populated ? - what reason was there for Ernie to go out there in the middle of a snowy winter, it is a road to nowhere ?
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21-04-2017, 21:45   #10
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There are several reports but two agree and are directly attributable to Ernie Wise.
Morecambe and Wise were performing in Sheffield for the duration of a pantomime.
Eric Morecambe and his wife rented a house, possibly in the Fulwood area.
Ernie Wise and his wife had the use of a converted Bedford bus which they drove up from Peterborough and the site they chose to park it was as near to the Morecambes as was practical.
He states that the garage he parked at was in "the Lodge Moor area of the city".

The two main possibilities are the Redmires Service Station and the Sandygate Service Station. The Picturesheffield photo of the Redmires Station is taken after it had been rebuilt and doesn't show the whole site and if it did it could eliminate it for sure. I'm pretty certain there was enough space on the Sandygate site to accommodate a single decker bus without obstructing the day to day business of the garage. The Redmires site I'm not so sure.

Some years ago I saw a photograph of the bus on site in snowy conditions and I think I can remember roughly the general layout of the garage. A contemporary photograph of either site would fix the location for me
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21-04-2017, 23:34   #11
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Dave Barkers Dad ran the Sandygate Filling Station but he's probably not on this forum. The family moved to North Wales - I think.
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22-04-2017, 07:23   #12
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I've been told there used to be, and hopefully
still is, a photograph of the Sandygate station in "The Plough" so unless I sort it by other means I'll try to get up there next weekend and have a look.
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Is this resolved?
Just curious whether it's an urban myth.
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03-05-2017, 22:05   #14
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Is this resolved?
Just curious whether it's an urban myth.
It's hardly the stuff of urban myths but there's a link in Post #2 that would appear to confirm the story.
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04-05-2017, 08:37   #15
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The story is definitely true. I haven't managed to get up to The Plough yet but I have spoken to two witnesses who were there at the time. The first lady, now approaching her eightieth birthday was in her teens in 1953 and she is related to the owners of Sandygate Service Station. She remembers Ernie and Doreen Wise parking their converted bus in the field behind the service station along with other details.
The other witness often used to catch the same bus from the city centre as Ernie Wise. He remembered that it was quite a severe winter at Sandygate and at its worst point the camping bus had a drift of snow 6 feet deep piled on one side but next to no snow on the other, which fortunately, was the side with the door.
Both had fascinating stories to tell in their own right and I am very grateful to both of them for relating them to me.

I am still on the hunt for a photograph (any photograph!) of Sandygate Station, The Plough or surrounding area in the early fifties so if anyone can point me in the direction of one I'll be eternally thankful.
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Dave Barkers Dad ran the Sandygate Filling Station but he's probably not on this forum. The family moved to North Wales - I think.
Sandygate Dave wishes to talk with MikeG

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The story is definitely true. I haven't managed to get up to The Plough yet but I have spoken to two witnesses who were there at the time. The first lady, now approaching her eightieth birthday was in her teens in 1953 and she is related to the owners of Sandygate Service Station. She remembers Ernie and Doreen Wise parking their converted bus in the field behind the service station along with other details.
The other witness often used to catch the same bus from the city centre as Ernie Wise. He remembered that it was quite a severe winter at Sandygate and at its worst point the camping bus had a drift of snow 6 feet deep piled on one side but next to no snow on the other, which fortunately, was the side with the door.
Both had fascinating stories to tell in their own right and I am very grateful to both of them for relating them to me.

I am still on the hunt for a photograph (any photograph!) of Sandygate Station, The Plough or surrounding area in the early fifties so if anyone can point me in the direction of one I'll be eternally thankful.
I have lots of photos of drifted snow at Sandygate. Don't think I have the caravan though.
The Plough is closed at present.
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09-05-2017, 13:48   #17
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Thank you.
I found out about The Plough after I eventually got up there yesterday!

If you have any photographs of the area immediately surrounding the Service Station I would be interested in seeing them. Of particular interest is the field behind the station which was visible from the path that used to run down the right hand side (from the road).
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Thank you.
I found out about The Plough after I eventually got up there yesterday!

If you have any photographs of the area immediately surrounding the Service Station I would be interested in seeing them. Of particular interest is the field behind the station which was visible from the path that used to run down the right hand side (from the road).
Interesting story this but someone mentioned it being well out of the way at Redmires in December which I agree as the weather difference between Redmires and Sandygate would have been quite different in snow.
I take it he had to commute to Sheffield from wherever he parked his bus (someone mentioned public transport) which I doubt Redmires would have had any in 1953 but saying that the hospital was there so maybe he got the bus from there.
Rather strange but interesting story
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Interesting story this but someone mentioned it being well out of the way at Redmires in December which I agree as the weather difference between Redmires and Sandygate would have been quite different in snow.
I take it he had to commute to Sheffield from wherever he parked his bus (someone mentioned public transport) which I doubt Redmires would have had any in 1953 but saying that the hospital was there so maybe he got the bus from there.
Rather strange but interesting story
There are two written accounts by Ernie and Doreen Wise and I've now spoken to three people, all unrelated and now in their late seventies or early eighties, who confirm the core events.

The bus was parked in the field directly behind the Sandygate Service Station workshop/showroom. That winter there was snow at Sandygate with snow drifting up to several feet deep in places. Ernie Wise and Eric Morecambe did catch the Lodge Moor bus up and down to the city centre, certainly on occasion if not every day.
At the end of the pantomime run Ernie sold the bus and it was left there for a short while afterwards and he bought a Triumph Renown from the Service Station owner for 650 or 750 depending on which account you read.


It is a strange little story and one of a number I've been looking into recently for a project.

Thank you for your interest.
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There are two written accounts by Ernie and Doreen Wise and I've now spoken to three people, all unrelated and now in their late seventies or early eighties, who confirm the core events.

The bus was parked in the field directly behind the Sandygate Service Station workshop/showroom. That winter there was snow at Sandygate with snow drifting up to several feet deep in places. Ernie Wise and Eric Morecambe did catch the Lodge Moor bus up and down to the city centre, certainly on occasion if not every day.
At the end of the pantomime run Ernie sold the bus and it was left there for a short while afterwards and he bought a Triumph Renown from the Service Station owner for 650 or 750 depending on which account you read.


It is a strange little story and one of a number I've been looking into recently for a project.

Thank you for your interest.
I have thousands of photographs, it will take some time to look for ones of the garage.
How do you want to use them?
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