Replacing the sats test with guess what? Tests!

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=12968107

Most parents want rid of the sats tests or at least they want a better way of testing a school ability to teach. But at the end of the day, no matter what they change them to they are still tests! Tests that put the children under extreme pressure without any real need for them other than to judge a schools performance. Are they doing the right thing changing them or should they scrap them altogether?

Basically thay just want to get rid of essay questions which are more costly, difficult and time consuming to mark than multiple choice ones, which can be done by a computer.

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=12968107

 

Most parents want rid of the sats tests or at least they want a better way of testing a school ability to teach. But at the end of the day, no matter what they change them to they are still tests! Tests that put the children under extreme pressure without any real need for them other than to judge a schools performance. Are they doing the right thing changing them or should they scrap them altogether?

why is they changing them I did reight good in mine I did.

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=12968107

 

Most parents want rid of the sats tests or at least they want a better way of testing a school ability to teach. But at the end of the day, no matter what they change them to they are still tests! Tests that put the children under extreme pressure without any real need for them other than to judge a schools performance. Are they doing the right thing changing them or should they scrap them altogether?

This is on the news right now, I'm not getting why a 6 year old would feel pressure at doing a tested unless adults gave them the impression there world would end if they didn't do well.

Its possible to test a 6 year old without the child even knowing they are being tested.

This is on the news right now, I'm not getting why a 6 year old would feel pressure at doing a tested unless adults gave them the impression there world would end if they didn't do well.

 

Its possible to test a 6 year old without the child even knowing they are being tested.

It isn't the kids that are stressed, it is the teachers and parents. They freak out and the child picks up on that.

It isn't the kids that are stressed, it is the teachers and parents. They freak out and the child picks up on that.

So the teachers and parents should be blaming themselves instead of blaming the tests.

No, the government should stop measuring performance of professionals on the basis of tests of kids with no perception and underdeveloped understanding. What you get now is the government judging job-performance on the basis of a 6-12 year old's understanding of maths. It is ludicrous.

So they should. When the government and us taxpayers and paying those teachers to TEACH those kids why shouldn't a little analysis as to how much they are learning and retaining take place.

Kids of that age are not totally dumb. Their minds are perfectly capable of learning and god forbid even taking a test on a subject.

Its what teachers are supposed to do. How else are they and their respective education authorities supposed to judge how well kids are progressing, which ones need extra help, which ones may be more suited in a different group and how well a particular method is being taught.

Namby pamby parents and lazy teachers trying to prevent something that is perfectly normal and has been done by generations of kids before.

As others have said, we are not talking about a 3 hour sit in silence exam here for god sake. Just because its called a "test" does not mean the kids will actually realise it is one.

No, the government should stop measuring performance of professionals on the basis of tests of kids with no perception and underdeveloped understanding. What you get now is the government judging job-performance on the basis of a 6-12 year old's understanding of maths. It is ludicrous.

Since its the job of a teacher to teach children, one would think the best way to measure the performance of a teacher is to measure the improvement made by the children they teach.

Hey, I've got an idea. If the government want our kids to do well, why don't they put an end to our kids being taught (even on timetable!) by non-teachers?

Why don't they entice back the good teachers that have left the profession in droves by establishing workable hours that allow a familly life? Why don't they pay what the job is worth? That would certainly help solve the teaching crisis.

It's a lot cheaper just to keep putting pressure on our kids to 'perform' against all odds.

And how about abolishing uni fees so kids have something to aspire to, and not cringe at the thought of starting their working life saddled with 40k of debt?

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So they should. When the government and us taxpayers and paying those teachers to TEACH those kids why shouldn't a little analysis as to how much they are learning and retaining take place.

 

Kids of that age are not totally dumb. Their minds are perfectly capable of learning and god forbid even taking a test on a subject.

 

Its what teachers are supposed to do. How else are they and their respective education authorities supposed to judge how well kids are progressing, which ones need extra help, which ones may be more suited in a different group and how well a particular method is being taught.

 

Namby pamby parents and lazy teachers trying to prevent something that is perfectly normal and has been done by generations of kids before.

 

As others have said, we are not talking about a 3 hour sit in silence exam here for god sake. Just because its called a "test" does not mean the kids will actually realise it is one.

Right.

So they should. When the government and us taxpayers and paying those teachers to TEACH those kids why shouldn't a little analysis as to how much they are learning and retaining take place.

 

Kids of that age are not totally dumb. Their minds are perfectly capable of learning and god forbid even taking a test on a subject.

Kids certainly aren't dumb, which is why they pick up on the stress incurred by teachers and parents as a result of these tests. It isn't 'a little analysis' - it is a framework that the entire philosophy of education is built on in this country. A philosophy which time and time again gets proven to be far behind that of other philosophies.

I am not saying you shouldn't test children, I am saying that the method that is used now, with its resulting 'performance indicators' that mean schools can lose financial support and teachers can lose their jobs if kids don't perform is ridiculous.

It is a result of the generic one-size fits-all approach to education in this country. Schools should be judged on the end-product, taking a holistic view of education, not a straight-jacket that smothers any professional deployment. But because primary school kids all essentially are supposed to end up in generic class Y at generic school X after they leave school there is no scope to measure performance appropriately.

Its what teachers are supposed to do. How else are they and their respective education authorities supposed to judge how well kids are progressing, which ones need extra help, which ones may be more suited in a different group and how well a particular method is being taught.

There are tonnes of different options to judge that, a tour of different countries in the EU alone will reveal several more desirable approaches. Most of which are based on professionals assessing other professionals on their performance instead of a government organisation doing so.

Namby pamby parents and lazy teachers trying to prevent something that is perfectly normal and has been done by generations of kids before.

 

As others have said, we are not talking about a 3 hour sit in silence exam here for god sake. Just because its called a "test" does not mean the kids will actually realise it is one.

There is a huge difference between the system now and how it was.

Since its the job of a teacher to teach children, one would think the best way to measure the performance of a teacher is to measure the improvement made by the children they teach.

Yes, it is. And there are numerous different options available, it is just that the UK/England now has a system that is adding unnecessary threats and pressure to the system.

If a teacher's job may rely upon the children's sats tests, is it any wonder that the teacher concentrate on coaching their pupils for the sats tests, rather delivering a rounded education?