Barack obama visit

just wondering who is footing the bill for his visit.

just wondering who is footing the bill for his visit.

The US will be paying for the plane and landing fees, carting the armoured Cadillacs and Secret Service personal security <etc.>

The UK will be paying for meetings supplies, banquets, Police for itinerary and site security <etc>.

Same as both the UK and the US would be footing portions of the bill for Cameron's visits to the US.

just wondering who is footing the bill for his visit.

My son saw the motorcade on the M11 last night. Awesome. Must have cost a fortune.

And the reason for his visit ?

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Barack-Obama/105503206150390?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6276371659750368324

Apparently we will have to stay in the EU or face going to the back of the queue .

Apparently we will have to stay in the EU or face going to the back of the queue .

Probably right. If, for example, Arkansas decided to cede from the United States of America, who do you think the UK (or even the EU) would be trying to get a trade agreement with first ? Arkansas or the USA ?

Probably right. If, for example, Arkansas decided to cede from the United States of America, who do you think the UK (or even the EU) would be trying to get a trade agreement with first ? Arkansas or the USA ?

One of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here. I assume it was sarcasm?

Probably right. If, for example, Arkansas decided to cede from the United States of America, who do you think the UK (or even the EU) would be trying to get a trade agreement with first ? Arkansas or the USA ?

You think the US only has the capacity to do one trade deal at a time? You really think there is a 'queue'? Obama is scaremongering because it suits American interests to have its' 'special friend' in the EU representing their interests. They are making thinly veiled threats to try and influence the outcome but they are not real threats. The Americans will obviously do a trade deal with the UK outside of the EU because it's in their interests too.

The size of the prize may make the EU deal more of a priority but it will not stop them negotiating a deal with the UK at the same time. And doing a deal with a single country is obviously less complex and time consuming than negotiating a deal with a bloc that has 27 members with different political and economic issues and agendas.

The EU referendum should simply be about principle. Do we as a matter of principle want to self-govern or do we want to subjugate to a federal EU? Do we as a nation want to be able to hold the law and policy makers 100% to account or are we willing to accept just an 8% say (less if the likes of Turkey join the EU)? Are we comfortable handing over sovereignty to a federal EU that could bring the likes of Turkey into the fold (with an Islamist government) and having influence, for example, over our immigration policy? Are we happy for countries where the far-right are in power or on the fringes of power having a say in how we live our lives?

I don't know whether our economy will fair better or worse outside of the EU... nobody does. All I know is it makes no difference to the principle of self-rule. A principle our ancestors fought and died for and we are now considering sacrificing because it MIGHT make us poorer. It is shameful that we are even debating it and it is shameful and selfish for our American 'friend' to be telling us to do it.

You think the US only has the capacity to do one trade deal at a time? You really think there is a 'queue'? Obama is scaremongering because it suits American interests to have its' 'special friend' in the EU representing their interests. They are making thinly veiled threats to try and influence the outcome but they are not real threats. The Americans will obviously do a trade deal with the UK outside of the EU because it's in their interests too.

 

The size of the prize may make the EU deal more of a priority but it will not stop them negotiating a deal with the UK at the same time. And doing a deal with a single country is obviously less complex and time consuming than negotiating a deal with a bloc that has 27 members with different political and economic issues and agendas.

 

The EU referendum should simply be about principle. Do we as a matter of principle want to self-govern or do we want to subjugate to a federal EU? Do we as a nation want to be able to hold the law and policy makers 100% to account or are we willing to accept just an 8% say (less if the likes of Turkey join the EU)? Are we comfortable handing over sovereignty to a federal EU that could bring the likes of Turkey into the fold (with an Islamist government) and having influence, for example, over our immigration policy? Are we happy for countries where the far-right are in power or on the fringes of power having a say in how we live our lives?

 

I don't know whether our economy will fair better or worse outside of the EU... nobody does. All I know is it makes no difference to the principle of self-rule. A principle our ancestors fought and died for and we are now considering sacrificing because it MIGHT make us poorer. It is shameful that we are even debating it and it is shameful and selfish for our American 'friend' to be telling us to do it.

The priority for the US government on a UK exit would be the same as for any other country- how do they protect their economic interest.

The loss of tariff free markets for US companies operating in the UK would have an impact on their profitability- only a part involves direct trade.

Share prices would obviously fall and a reaction to this is very often redundancies.

These companies would then have to decide how to regain profitability/profit margin in the medium and long term. This would vary from company to company and how many would move, stay, close or downsize will not be in our control.

The Swiss government were forced, despite very strong public opposition, to seek a very unfavourable deal in order to prevent the exodus of companies and capital into the EU. They have had to agree to the free movement of workers.

Their financial institutions were also less favourable to a EU deal.

So their is a very unhealthy situation in Switzerland due to uncertainty.

Swiss manufacturing is big, they are very flexible, very skilled, well capitalized, in the centre of Europe and will very much look forward to a UK pull out. The deal also prevents Swiss companies having any say in EU standards or prior knowledge of policy changes which affects their business.

The priority for the US government on a UK exit would be the same as for any other country- how do they protect their economic interest.

 

The loss of tariff free markets for US companies operating in the UK would have an impact on their profitability- only a part involves direct trade.

Share prices would obviously fall and a reaction to this is very often redundancies.

These companies would then have to decide how to regain profitability/profit margin in the medium and long term. This would vary from company to company and how many would move, stay, close or downsize will not be in our control.

 

The Swiss government were forced, despite very strong public opposition, to seek a very unfavourable deal in order to prevent the exodus of companies and capital into the EU. They have had to agree to the free movement of workers.

Their financial institutions were also less favourable to a EU deal.

So their is a very unhealthy situation in Switzerland due to uncertainty.

Swiss manufacturing is big, they are very flexible, very skilled, well capitalized, in the centre of Europe and will very much look forward to a UK pull out. The deal also prevents Swiss companies having any say in EU standards or prior knowledge of policy changes which affects their business.

There would be no change to any tariffs for 2 years whilst the exit was planned and managed. There is time to put other arrangements in place.

Switzerland had a weak hand to play and got turned over. Its' economy is less than a quarter that of the UK and the EU wasn't in the midst of a financial and migrant crisis that threatens its' very existence. The EU was in a position to dictate unreasonable terms to Switzerland (which itself says a fair bit about what sort of organisation it is) but it's position is far worse now and could become even worse if other countries decide to follow a UK lead.

Besides all that... what is your position re the principle of self rule? Should we be putting a price on it? I don't suppose going to war with Germany did much for international trade either but sometimes you have to put principles first don't you?

This is well worth a watch...

Apparently we will have to stay in the EU or face going to the back of the queue .

Shoudn't he (as an American) have said "line"?