[PaliRichard]

Originally Posted by barleycorn

Hollow earth
Time cube
7/7
Vaccinations (MMR, Autism, HPV, Polio, smallpox, measles is harmless etc)
Big Pharma
Holocaust denial

jb

What's time cube? I missed that particular gem at conspiracy school!

[RootsBooster]

Originally Posted by PaliRichard

What's time cube? I missed that particular gem at conspiracy school!

I think he means this.

[PaliRichard]

Originally Posted by RootsBooster

I think he means this.

Ah I see, cheers Roots

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

Apollo, as you call it, is in bits and pieces all over the shop. Most of the Saturn V rocket crashes into the sea; the command module brings the astronauts back home; one part of the lunar module stays on the Moon, while the other part takes off again to bring astronauts back to the command module....

...the bit that stays on the Moon, includes a reflector.

yes, I went on to gather that information later, it has been a while since i inspected the fake moon landing videos etc, I laughed so hard as I watched it again, as appollo 5 I think blasted the capsule off the moon with a wobble, and no out of control spin. What a load of wool over eyes lol. I've seen better space footage on the old Startrek episodes.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by RootsBooster

Okay let's start here. You need to apply critical thinking, firstly, ask yourself this about the trains...


1. Where did you get the info from about the trains?

2. Have you compared this data to years before and after the Gulf Wars? Where there actually MORE trains accidents or is it just that some people have noticed them more during the Gulf Wars?

1, The media.

2, It was very obvious. Felt like there was a train being derailed every other week. As opposed to every now and then. I can't actually remember the last train being derailed off hand. And no I haven't been to the national archives to gather precise data.

[tinfoilhat]

Originally Posted by sci fi

yes, I went on to gather that information later, it has been a while since i inspected the fake moon landing videos etc, I laughed so hard as I watched it again, as appollo 5 I think blasted the capsule off the moon with a wobble, and no out of control spin. What a load of wool over eyes lol. I've seen better space footage on the old Startrek episodes.

Yeah and because he's been to space (probably), a fully qualified engineer and seen all the star trek series (even deep space 9 that wasn't very good) he knows EXACTLY how a capsule handles.

Take that sheeple !

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

He conjectured, and he actually had some evidence to support his theory.
And he made a testable falsifiable hypothesis.
Any conspiracy nut can make this comparison, but it doesn't give them any legitimacy.
Or so you'd have us believe.

I'm not a total nut

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by tinfoilhat

Yeah and because he's been to space (probably), a fully qualified engineer and seen all the star trek series (even deep space 9 that wasn't very good) he knows EXACTLY how a capsule handles.

Take that sheeple !

What I want to say to you rhymes with hanker

Why don't you comment on a thread you are interested in instead of trying to wind people up.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

I hadn't noticed this, but it should at least be easy for you to prove.

You will of course need to gather some actual data rather than just 'what you noticed' in the mainstream media, and then you'll need a basic grasp of statistics to see if there was any change and if it was outside the normal range and statistically significant.

More likely IMO it's just that you read the news less before the Iraq war, the internet was less used and so the derailments that did happen weren't as widely reported or you didn't hear about them.

Ok, it wasn't in my plans, but it could be interesting checking out the stats and putting some together.

[tinfoilhat]

Originally Posted by sci fi

What I want to say to you rhymes with hanker

Why don't you comment on a thread you are interested in instead of trying to wind people up.

Now theres no need for that. I've never or ever will work at a bank.

I did put a genuine comment up (twice) which you didn't respond to, which is cool, you don't have to. In all seriousness we can surely agree that jadzia dax aside, deep space 9 couldn't hold a candle to the others.

[PaliRichard]

Originally Posted by tinfoilhat

Now theres no need for that. I've never or ever will work at a bank.

I did put a genuine comment up (twice) which you didn't respond to, which is cool, you don't have to. In all seriousness we can surely agree that jadzia dax aside, deep space 9 couldn't hold a candle to the others.

It was better than enterprise and voyager

[mort]

Back on topic please and without resorting to insults and bickering.

[dosxuk]

Originally Posted by sci fi

Felt like there was a train being derailed every other week. As opposed to every now and then. I can't actually remember the last train being derailed off hand.

Well here's one which derailed yesterday. The was another one a week ago.

They happen all the time.

They only really become noteworthy by the media though when there's someone to blame (e.g. company not maintaining the tracks properly), the weather is a primary cause (tracks expanding, and we all love a good moan about the weather), there was a large number of passengers or if someone important was on the train.

Basically the same as car crashes. The media generally doesn't report them unless there's something noteworthy. It doesn't mean they don't happen, or that the numbers reported infer that something else is happening.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Seriously, this is your level of critical thought and investigation. If you're prepared to dismiss things as fraud because you a)couldn't be bothered to or b) just couldn't, understand what was being suggested, then there's little point in talking to you.

There you go assuming I don't look into things again. I have had the plans for Apollo 11, I don't just go oooh thats fake! i actually spent a good period of time on this before i made my mind up. There is the weight of the whole ship, the fuel consumption, the earths gravity, the distance, the time taken to get there and back, the time it takes to land on the moon, takes samples etc, rule of error, the max speed to get to the moon in the time it took, the rockets used etc etc etc, There is actually quite a lot of information freely available to make a fair assessment.

What makes me laugh is how so many people will just believe what they are told with out gathering the information to make their own judgement.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by dosxuk

Well here's one which derailed yesterday. The was another one a week ago.

They happen all the time.

They only really become noteworthy by the media though when there's someone to blame (e.g. company not maintaining the tracks properly), the weather is a primary cause (tracks expanding, and we all love a good moan about the weather), there was a large number of passengers or if someone important was on the train.

Basically the same as car crashes. The media generally doesn't report them unless there's something noteworthy. It doesn't mean they don't happen, or that the numbers reported infer that something else is happening.

They were front page stories and on the news headlines BBC and ITV etc, mainly people trains not freight. I have noticed a couple recently coinciding with Brit troops getting involved in certain confrontations. It may just be coincidence, but I kind of don't believe in everything just being coincidence.

[dosxuk]

Originally Posted by sci fi

There you go assuming I don't look into things again. I have had the plans for Apollo 11, I don't just go oooh thats fake! i actually spent a good period of time on this before i made my mind up. There is the weight of the whole ship, the fuel consumption, the earths gravity, the distance, the time taken to get there and back, the time it takes to land on the moon, takes samples etc, rule of error, the max speed to get to the moon in the time it took, the rockets used etc etc etc, There is actually quite a lot of information freely available to make a fair assessment.

And what did all this information tell you?

Or did you decide it wasn't accurate and the real information has been withheld by TPTB?

Originally Posted by sci fi

What makes me laugh is how so many people will just believe what they are told with out gathering the information to make their own judgement.

It amuses me how people will suddenly start believing things to be lies because of what a shouty man on a dodgy youtube video says. It also amuses me how people like to pick and choose when the mainstream media are telling the truth in order to support their own stories.

[dosxuk]

Originally Posted by sci fi

It may just be coincidence, but I kind of don't believe in things just being coincidence.

Why on earth not? Me and you might cough at exactly the same time, would that be coincidence, or an indication that we're both involved in some super-secret plan?

If it rains on the same day each year for 5 years - evil plan or coincidence?

If you walk out of your house and 10 red cars in a row go past, coincidence or skullduggery?

Coincidence is everywhere. We only notice it because we are all in possesion of the most advanced pattern matching machine in known existence - the brain. Our brains don't like randomness, or chance, or coincidence, so it tries to make sense of them by linking things together. It's nothing different to seeing shapes when you close your eyes.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by tinfoilhat

Now theres no need for that. I've never or ever will work at a bank.

I did put a genuine comment up (twice) which you didn't respond to, which is cool, you don't have to. In all seriousness we can surely agree that jadzia dax aside, deep space 9 couldn't hold a candle to the others.

OK sorry,

yes I agree, deepspace 9 wasn't the best, although it was good for a while it kind of dropped off towards the end.

You may find this interesting lol

http://www.hecklerspray.com/the-26-h.../200816466.php

[RootsBooster]

Originally Posted by sci fi

1, The media.

2, It was very obvious. Felt like there was a train being derailed every other week. As opposed to every now and then. I can't actually remember the last train being derailed off hand. And no I haven't been to the national archives to gather precise data.

Okay, next step, you need to set yourself some (stable) standards by which to judge information. So far you have demonstrated typical conspiracy fan behaviour when it comes to this (I'm not saying you ARE a conspiracy fan, but you do seem inclined towards them). For example...

Compare the moon landings to the train derailments.
For you, the evidence in the media was not enough when it came to the moon landings, you would have to be able to observe it personally for you to believe it, which coincidentally is impossible.
Now, when it comes to the train derailments, the media evidence is enough to convince you, you are convinced. Not only that, you're trying to make something bigger out of it.

Then there's the data analysis, you haven't bothered to compare the frequency of derailments to previous years, yet you think there were more during the Gulf Wars. In your words "it was obvious"
For the moon landings, you have sought out information (that suits your own view) against the evidence given in the media.

By changing the goalposts so much when looking at different cases/conspiracy theories, you are never going to come to a fair or accurate conclusion and will more likely than not come to a conclusion which suits your agenda/views/beliefs.

[sci fi]

Originally Posted by dosxuk

Why on earth not? Me and you might cough at exactly the same time, would that be coincidence, or an indication that we're both involved in some super-secret plan?

If it rains on the same day each year for 5 years - evil plan or coincidence?

If you walk out of your house and 10 red cars in a row go past, coincidence or skullduggery?

Coincidence is everywhere. We only notice it because we are all in possesion of the most advanced pattern matching machine in known existence - the brain. Our brains don't like randomness, or chance, or coincidence, so it tries to make sense of them by linking things together. It's nothing different to seeing shapes when you close your eyes.

Ok, well of course some things are just coincidence