[sjwilliams]

Originally Posted by oldskater

i probably could find that stuff on the net if i wanted to.

and if i ever caught anyone breaking into my house i possibly would hit a google search for it at that point.

actually no i wouldnt. i would be too busy bundling the body into my car and wondering wherew to dump it.

my house is my castle. break into it and restorative justive will be the last thing on your mind. mercy would be the first.

[px200]

Originally Posted by kidley

Can you tell me anything that stops criminals being criminals

a rope

[sheffbag]

Originally Posted by Bloomdido

I would go for a restorative approach. I presume the police have been informed that ther is some evidence to support you claims? I expect he may well already be in the Criminal Justice System, in which case, he will have a YOS worker allocated, possibly a mentor and may be on an ISSP or whatever they have replaced it with. Of course there is no evidence that any of this actually reduces offending behaviour in young people, which is why I would look at restorative justice.

Step foot in my house without permission and face the consequences, you make the choice to burgle, you make the choice to break the law, you make the choice to step into my house then i make the choice to hit you very hard with the biggest hammer i can find and screw the consequences.

[bladebeer]

Originally Posted by kidley

Afraid not, please tell me/us your way of dealing with those that break the law so we can all sleep safely

Bloomdido will you give us your answer for preventing criminals from being criminals.It is all well and good pontificating about what we should do after we have been victims, but unless you live in a different world to the rest of us, the answers you have previously put forward simply do not work . Have you ever been in contact with these kind of people . I have as part of my job,they would laugh in your face, and yes I do know that for certain.

Looking at your post code , you may well find that you are a victim .Hopefully not, but your outlook may change if it happens, but probably not as you appear to be a very self righteous person.

[fling]

Originally Posted by Bloomdido

How do you establish guilt in such cases? Who decides how much time?

I think you would like the culture in parts of Belfast. They do kneecappings by appointment these days.

I think you will find it is Londonderry and not Belfast where kneecappings are by appointment.

[Bypassblade]

Got to admit never heard of this restorative justice, but sounds like a load of goody, goody cobblers. Me & the wife have been burgled twice & both times the coppers couldn't find their backsides with their hands.

If by any chance someone came in again to my home & I was home, trust me ill health or not I'd start by breaking both their legs, then their arms then ring police.

Oh & I'd say the thieving little ba***rd fell down stairs, what gets me is all the goody, goodies as I say, personally I'd cut their hands off at the elbows, they are lower than a worms belly with no respect for anyone or their property.

[ChrisT70]

Originally Posted by Bypassblade

Got to admit never heard of this restorative justice, but sounds like a load of goody, goody cobblers. Me & the wife have been burgled twice & both times the coppers couldn't find their backsides with their hands.

If by any chance someone came in again to my home & I was home, trust me ill health or not I'd start by breaking both their legs, then their arms then ring police.

Oh & I'd say the thieving little ba***rd fell down stairs, what gets me is all the goody, goodies as I say, personally I'd cut their hands off at the elbows, they are lower than a worms belly with no respect for anyone or their property.

well said. we've gone too far down the line of accepting burglary as a minor crime where community service and skills programmes are sufficient punishment.
some form of harsh treatment and physical pain might deter them from doing it again, certainly the amount of repeat convictions for burglary suggests that the current systems do nothing to stop them going out again.

if one of the major parties included a commitment to reinstating corporal punishment in addition to prison for burglary, mugging, gbh etc then i would vote for them in an instant.

[Bloomdido]

Originally Posted by bladebeer

Looking at your post code , you may well find that you are a victim .Hopefully not, but your outlook may change if it happens, but probably not as you appear to be a very self righteous person.

The last time I was a victim of an attempted crime was when three scrotes tried to nick my boy's xbox while we were upstairs. They legged it out of the front door as I was just about to go downstairs to lock-up.

Would I want to attack them with a hammer? No. Ask them what they thought they were doing and account for their actions? Yes.

Prior to that I have had three windscreens put through whilst the cars were parked on the drive and my garage broken in to. I think more is achieved when communities come together to demand action and answers.

[Bloomdido]

Originally Posted by ChrisT70

well said. we've gone too far down the line of accepting burglary as a minor crime where community service and skills programmes are sufficient punishment.
some form of harsh treatment and physical pain might deter them from doing it again, certainly the amount of repeat convictions for burglary suggests that the current systems do nothing to stop them going out again.

if one of the major parties included a commitment to reinstating corporal punishment in addition to prison for burglary, mugging, gbh etc then i would vote for them in an instant.

I doubt it would prevent offending but it may well give some sick people pleasure inflicting pain on others. Would you have a lower age limit or do you picture children from the age of criminal responsibility upwards being tied to a post and flogged?

[woodmally]

Originally Posted by chem1st

Something is deeply wrong in our society.

It begs the question about stealing bread.

In this country your restricted in growing food. So stealing food seems to me to be ok, if you do so from monopoly institutions - e.g. tesco.

(Ideally you would steal/squat idle land and grow food on the sly!) Does a tato getting grown on unsued land compare to a tree falling in the woods type of thing.

Housebreaking is a funny one.

Suppose your homeless and people oppose housebuilding that would benefit you (perhaps even you submitting planning permission for your own tin shack/brick house/mansion), perhaps it would be fair to rob each person who objected and pool the money to buy a house.

It would also depend on how a person acquired a house in the first place.

Did they build it?

Did they do honest work and trade with others for the benefit of all and by means of just and fair barter acquire it? (Pay for the building of it - in labour of a similar value).

Stealing is wrong. But it is so commonplace in every part of our society, I can't help but think it is wrong to punish young people for stealing. They learn by example. and we the British are nowt but thieves.

From the top down.

The rich rob the poor and the poor rob each other. Everyman for himself against even his brother.

Why does it beg the question about stealing bread. Is this toewrag nicking loafs of bread as well!!!! I dont think stealing food has been a problem in this country. I think its more tv's games consoles etc that we are having a problem someone steeling.

[kidley]

Originally Posted by Bloomdido

The last time I was a victim of an attempted crime was when three scrotes tried to nick my boy's xbox while we were upstairs. They legged it out of the front door as I was just about to go downstairs to lock-up.

Would I want to attack them with a hammer? No. Ask them what they thought they were doing and account for their actions? Yes.

Prior to that I have had three windscreens put through whilst the cars were parked on the drive and my garage broken in to. I think more is achieved when communities come together to demand action and answers.

may be they think you are a soft touch, if i get caught nothing will happen kind of reasoning, i reckon you have had well above the average crime committed against you. did you report it too the Police

[Unitedite]

All this talk about beating people up for daring to step foot on your turf sounds rather familiar...

[ChrisT70]

Originally Posted by Bloomdido

I doubt it would prevent offending but it may well give some sick people pleasure inflicting pain on others. Would you have a lower age limit or do you picture children from the age of criminal responsibility upwards being tied to a post and flogged?

16 yrs of age up would do for me as a start point. it would feel like justice has been done to be honest, nothing more. increasing the punishment for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th offense etc until they got maybe 10yrs min on the 5th offense. i will happily pay taxes to support such a system, and if they can be thrashed as an added bonus bring it on. nothing sick or twisted, just retribution for the pain and upset they cause without any regard for people.

chatting to them about their feelings wont stop them nicking stuff for a few quick quid, making them wince at the thought of what will happen when caught might.

[chem1st]

Originally Posted by woodmally

Why does it beg the question about stealing bread. Is this toewrag nicking loafs of bread as well!!!! I dont think stealing food has been a problem in this country. I think its more tv's games consoles etc that we are having a problem someone steeling.

People steal food in this country.

Haven't you seen the size of fences next to supermarket bins?

In the riots some people stole value rice and water for crying out loud. Charity food bank usage has increased massively. Rickets is becoming more common. Etc. etc.

I've been a victim of violent robbery, and initially I'd have been all for stringing them up. Wouldn't be too fussed if it happened now like. But at the end of the day, if we lived in a better society, where people had opportunities and a stake in society, perhaps we could prevent burglary in the first place.

People don't have homes - some of them are unemployed builders for crying out loud!
People losing their jobs in the food industry and going hungry.

And some seriously wealthy people who did not earn their money fairly, and do not deserve it.

People steal small items that are portable, that are akin to money. They can be swapped for food, for gold, for drugs, for cash. Which in turn can be easily traded.

[woodmally]

Originally Posted by chem1st

People steal food in this country.

Haven't you seen the size of fences next to supermarket bins?

In the riots some people stole value rice and water for crying out loud. Charity food bank usage has increased massively. Rickets is becoming more common. Etc. etc.

I've been a victim of violent robbery, and initially I'd have been all for stringing them up. Wouldn't be too fussed if it happened now like. But at the end of the day, if we lived in a better society, where people had opportunities and a stake in society, perhaps we could prevent burglary in the first place.

People don't have homes - some of them are unemployed builders for crying out loud!
People losing their jobs in the food industry and going hungry.

And some seriously wealthy people who did not earn their money fairly, and do not deserve it.

People steal small items that are portable, that are akin to money. They can be swapped for food, for gold, for drugs, for cash. Which in turn can be easily traded.

Firstly the scumbags that stole food during the riots wernt starving homeless people. They were jumping on the bandwagon. I dont think that society is that bad at the moment that people in this country are starving to death. I think this is just overhype and exageration.

However the reason for my asking about the stealing food was that we were talking about a scumbag nicking tvs and small items from homes and suddenly if randomly someone posts about the issues relating to stealing food because they were homeless. Completely unrelated to the topic.

[Bloomdido]

Originally Posted by woodmally

Firstly the scumbags that stole food during the riots wernt starving homeless people. They were jumping on the bandwagon. I dont think that society is that bad at the moment that people in this country are starving to death. I think this is just overhype and exageration.

However the reason for my asking about the stealing food was that we were talking about a scumbag nicking tvs and small items from homes and suddenly if randomly someone posts about the issues relating to stealing food because they were homeless. Completely unrelated to the topic.

Two children in every class are hungry. The BBC has said so. What is a 'tvs' that people nick?

[Lab-rat]

Originally Posted by chem1st

People steal food in this country.

Haven't you seen the size of fences next to supermarket bins?

In the riots some people stole value rice and water for crying out loud. Charity food bank usage has increased massively. Rickets is becoming more common. Etc. etc.

I've been a victim of violent robbery, and initially I'd have been all for stringing them up. Wouldn't be too fussed if it happened now like. But at the end of the day, if we lived in a better society, where people had opportunities and a stake in society, perhaps we could prevent burglary in the first place.

People don't have homes - some of them are unemployed builders for crying out loud!
People losing their jobs in the food industry and going hungry.

And some seriously wealthy people who did not earn their money fairly, and do not deserve it.

People steal small items that are portable, that are akin to money. They can be swapped for food, for gold, for drugs, for cash. Which in turn can be easily traded.

All organised with their Blackberry mobiles! Yeah struggling to feed themselves whilst wearing Nike, Adidas, Fred Perry etc!

To top it all burning down a very old business just for the funl!

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...ail/story.html

The riots weren't owt to do with poverty just pure GREED!

This won't change until the lefties wake up & see the bigger picture.....some people are just evil chancers!

[Lab-rat]

Originally Posted by Bloomdido

Restorative justice is an approach to justice that focuses on the needs of the victims and the offenders, as well as the involved community, instead of satisfying abstract legal principles or punishing the offender. Victims take an active role in the process, while offenders are encouraged to take responsibility for their actions, "to repair the harm they've done—by apologizing, returning stolen money, or community service".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorative_justice

It's not for everyone but I have seen how it can work.

Can you tell me how it restores the victim back to the position they were in before the crime took place?

My opinion is that restorative justice focuses too much on the perpetrator rather than the victim! It's a load of rubbish....I've seen it in action personally & it's rubbish!

My life has been scarred because of it & I have to live with that forever!

[chem1st]

Originally Posted by Lab-rat

All organised with their Blackberry mobiles! Yeah struggling to feed themselves whilst wearing Nike, Adidas, Fred Perry etc!

To top it all burning down a very old business just for the funl!

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/...ail/story.html

The riots weren't owt to do with poverty just pure GREED!

This won't change until the lefties wake up & see the bigger picture.....some people are just evil chancers!

Not everybody who participated had a blackberry.

[Lab-rat]

Originally Posted by chem1st

Not everybody who participated had a blackberry.

Thanks for stating the obvious there!

Not everyone burnt down businesses either!

Not everyone stole massive LCD / LED tvs!

Not everyone mugged foreign students whilst they (the purpetrators) were dressed head to toe in designer sports clothes

It's a crying shame all this designer clothed famine & poverty!