[erebus]

HAve I missed something, as the USA, Saudi Arabia, and other states have for months been funding the uprising in Syria. They even pay for people to fight never mind the weapons.

Also the cutting of childrens throats and other horrific things are not new, they happened and have been imported from Iraq, or has that horror been forgotten.

It makes sense to have a destabilised Middle East, as it fueld the weapons industry, the US Corporations that rely on war for government handouts.

The war on drugs was a joke, the war on terror fooled and continues to fool people, but is created and reinfiorced by the random murder corporate war machine. As the war on terror, the cold war and the rest winds down as people are sick of perpetual war which we are always winning, a new threat is being created...China. It like the rest will slowly be rolled out to the ignorant to swallow like the rest was so easily consumed.

China goes into South America, Africa wherever and builds infrastructure as it is only interested in trade. The USA goes into everywhere with its industrial war machine and created havoc. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the rest of the posrt ww2 games, left the countries concerned trashed. Its behind various wars in Africa as strangely its the countries with oil it aids, just a coincidence. War is the only game the USA plays, it is its only real industry, the civil side is the offshots, a side line. The Uk is also needing war in a time of cuts, and poverty.

We and the USa are funding the civil war in Syria, and poaying for the cut throat murderers frin Iraq, where they got their training. Cutting childrens throats is not a syrian thing, how could that help the regime, its just too stupid, but in a covert backed war, one can blame anone one wants to justify ramping up the corporate industrial military machine that is getting out ot Iraq, Afghanistan and needs a war or tow to justidy its existance....

[Harleyman]

Originally Posted by erebus

HAve I missed something, as the USA, Saudi Arabia, and other states have for months been funding the uprising in Syria. They even pay for people to fight never mind the weapons.

Also the cutting of childrens throats and other horrific things are not new, they happened and have been imported from Iraq, or has that horror been forgotten.

It makes sense to have a destabilised Middle East, as it fueld the weapons industry, the US Corporations that rely on war for government handouts.

The war on drugs was a joke, the war on terror fooled and continues to fool people, but is created and reinfiorced by the random murder corporate war machine. As the war on terror, the cold war and the rest winds down as people are sick of perpetual war which we are always winning, a new threat is being created...China. It like the rest will slowly be rolled out to the ignorant to swallow like the rest was so easily consumed.

China goes into South America, Africa wherever and builds infrastructure as it is only interested in trade. The USA goes into everywhere with its industrial war machine and created havoc. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the rest of the posrt ww2 games, left the countries concerned trashed. Its behind various wars in Africa as strangely its the countries with oil it aids, just a coincidence. War is the only game the USA plays, it is its only real industry, the civil side is the offshots, a side line. The Uk is also needing war in a time of cuts, and poverty.

We and the USa are funding the civil war in Syria, and poaying for the cut throat murderers frin Iraq, where they got their training. Cutting childrens throats is not a syrian thing, how could that help the regime, its just too stupid, but in a covert backed war, one can blame anone one wants to justify ramping up the corporate industrial military machine that is getting out ot Iraq, Afghanistan and needs a war or tow to justidy its existance....

You're either an old Commie, a Youtube Bunny or an i.j.j.i.t

[andygardener]

Originally Posted by Teddybare

When did communist become a dirty word?

Whenever and wherever it was implemented. See Mao, Stalin, Castro, Kim jong Il, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Hoxha etc.

[Teddybare]

Originally Posted by andygardener

Whenever and wherever it was implemented. See Mao, Stalin, Castro, Kim jong Il, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Hoxha etc.

All military dictatorships. Not true communism. Believing in communism doesn't mean supporting any of the murderous regimes you mentioned.

Except maybe Castro. That guy is pretty cool......

[mj.scuba]

Originally Posted by Teddybare

All military dictatorships. Not true communism. Believing in communism doesn't mean supporting any of the murderous regimes you mentioned.

Except maybe Castro. That guy is pretty cool......

Of course it was true Communism. Because Communism is stifling and controlling, people naturally reject it and the only way it can be implemented is by force.

Castro is not so cool if you're a political activist interned without trial.

[epiphany]

Originally Posted by mj.scuba

Of course it was true Communism. Because Communism is stifling and controlling, people naturally reject it and the only way it can be implemented is by force.

It was a very specific type of communism that involved, and in many scholars' opinions, never intended to progress from a monolithic state. I don't advocate any form of communism, but due to the fact that communism is as complex and broad an ideology as capitalism, and in the same way you wouldn't condemn capitalism as a whole for the ills produced by the current implementation of it, I find the term "true communism" problematic.

[buck]

Originally Posted by Harleyman

You're either an old Commie, a Youtube Bunny or an i.j.j.i.t

I'd go with the latter. We're bad buggers us Yanks.

[mort]

keep it civil please.

[tinfoilhat]

I'd let the Russians sort this one out. We have nothing to gain.

[erebus]

The British establishment like the USA support mass murders, and just look at the fantastic work we did in Libya, when a silly civil war, against ex-afghani fighters, was backed by the great and good. We helped slaughter over 30,000 people, and also watch while various people now get tortured, executed and worse who happen to belong to the wrong tribal group. We love conflict, get puppets in who allow us to plunder the oil or minerals, while laughing at the chaos, and the future joy of the results of the depleted uranium on the wrong tribal group. Just watch those deformed births grow up, like in Iraq, as we like the Nazis love to experiment with helpless and inferior populations, affecting their genetic makeup. The only difference is that the Nazis were pioneers, they did not know the end results, while we gloat at knowing the results and deny any responsibility.

[MrSmith]

Originally Posted by erebus

The British establishment like the USA support mass murders, and just look at the fantastic work we did in Libya, when a silly civil war, against ex-afghani fighters, was backed by the great and good. We helped slaughter over 30,000 people, and also watch while various people now get tortured, executed and worse who happen to belong to the wrong tribal group. We love conflict, get puppets in who allow us to plunder the oil or minerals, while laughing at the chaos, and the future joy of the results of the depleted uranium on the wrong tribal group. Just watch those deformed births grow up, like in Iraq, as we like the Nazis love to experiment with helpless and inferior populations, affecting their genetic makeup. The only difference is that the Nazis were pioneers, they did not know the end results, while we gloat at knowing the results and deny any responsibility.

I assume when you say we you include yourself.

I for one though didn't laugh and gloat about these conflicts.

[callippo]

Originally Posted by erebus

Its behind various wars in Africa as strangely its the countries with oil it aids, just a coincidence.

seeing as this is not true in the first place, it's no coincidence at all.

Egypt, not a significant oil producer, is the biggest African recipient of US aid, in absolute terms the top sub Saharan US aid recipients are Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, Ethiopia, and Tanzania. Only one of those, Nigeria, is an oil producer worthy of mention.

in per capita terms, the top five are Liberia, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia, and Rwanda. This time, not even ONE of them is a significant oil producer.

you just talk total nonsense mate. Do you really expect people to fall for this garbage?

[buck]

Originally Posted by MrSmith

I assume when you say we you include yourself.

I for one though didn't laugh and gloat about these conflicts.

Neither do I gloat, nor anyone else of my acquaintence, all people of compassion and common sense. If anything, Americans are generous to a fault to others in distress, as I know Britons also are.

[MrSmith]

Originally Posted by buck

Neither do I gloat, nor anyone else of my acquaintence, all people of compassion and common sense. If anything, Americans are generous to a fault to others in distress, as I know Britons also are.

I don't think many people will, so one can only conclude then that when erebus said.

"We love conflict, while laughing at the chaos and while we gloat, we like the Nazis love to experiment with helpless and inferior populations."

Erebus must have been talking about themselves and their acquaintences.

[erebus]

Americans are generous to a fault are they????

Well the fault is their economy is based on the necessity for war. The faults are depleted uranium footprints wherever they bomb, and as the the geneticc human mutations, they are just demonstrations of how total power corrupts.

Generous at mass murder while the propaganda spouts the tune of freedom and democracy, providing that is, it has to be the right kind, the kind that is generopus to Us corporate needs.

US interests have left libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and vietnam to mention a few rejoicing in their generosity....well keep swallowing the propaganda as it makes sh*t acceptable to consume, and after a time it seems many get the taste for it, and demand more.

[Teddybare]

Thread sidetracked by the issue of team America: world police.

The massacre in Syria, if we are to believe it was committed by the Syrian government, or on behalf of the Syrian government, then what exactly was their motive?
Decide who has more to gain from a very publicly televised massacre inside a rebel controlled town that was being shelled by the government.
The massacre was a propaganda coup for the rebels. Why would the government want that?
What is more likely in a city under siege with absolutely no law and order:

that the government, while shelling said city, entered the city and began massacring children, knowing full well it would aid the rebels cause and bring masses of international attention/condemnation?

Or

That a rival tribe/family/gang or even the rebels themselves used the lawlessness and shelling to exact revenge on the family in question?

And that's why it was one family in a rebel stronghold.
Which explanation makes more sense?

Arab family blood fueds and revenge killings are commonplace especially when law and order is removed.
Interventionists need to wake up and open their eyes.
To the Americans, Syria is a stepping stone to Iran. To the Israelis Syria is the last of their neighbours that cannot be bought off with western money.
Many people have interests in the fall of Assad. The well being of the Syrian people is not one of these interests unfortunately.

[vResistance]

Originally Posted by Teddybare

Thread sidetracked by the issue of team America: world police.

The massacre in Syria, if we are to believe it was committed by the Syrian government, or on behalf of the Syrian government, then what exactly was their motive?
Decide who has more to gain from a very publicly televised massacre inside a rebel controlled town that was being shelled by the government.
The massacre was a propaganda coup for the rebels. Why would the government want that?
What is more likely in a city under siege with absolutely no law and order:

that the government, while shelling said city, entered the city and began massacring children, knowing full well it would aid the rebels cause and bring masses of international attention/condemnation?

Or

That a rival tribe/family/gang or even the rebels themselves used the lawlessness and shelling to exact revenge on the family in question?

And that's why it was one family in a rebel stronghold.
Which explanation makes more sense?

Arab family blood fueds and revenge killings are commonplace especially when law and order is removed.
Interventionists need to wake up and open their eyes.
To the Americans, Syria is a stepping stone to Iran. To the Israelis Syria is the last of their neighbours that cannot be bought off with western money.
Many people have interests in the fall of Assad. The well being of the Syrian people is not one of these interests unfortunately.

Well said.

[cressida]

Originally Posted by Teddybare

Thread sidetracked by the issue of team America: world police.

The massacre in Syria, if we are to believe it was committed by the Syrian government, or on behalf of the Syrian government, then what exactly was their motive?
Decide who has more to gain from a very publicly televised massacre inside a rebel controlled town that was being shelled by the government.
The massacre was a propaganda coup for the rebels. Why would the government want that?
What is more likely in a city under siege with absolutely no law and order:

that the government, while shelling said city, entered the city and began massacring children, knowing full well it would aid the rebels cause and bring masses of international attention/condemnation?

Or

That a rival tribe/family/gang or even the rebels themselves used the lawlessness and shelling to exact revenge on the family in question?

And that's why it was one family in a rebel stronghold.
Which explanation makes more sense?

Arab family blood fueds and revenge killings are commonplace especially when law and order is removed.
Interventionists need to wake up and open their eyes.
To the Americans, Syria is a stepping stone to Iran. To the Israelis Syria is the last of their neighbours that cannot be bought off with western money.
Many people have interests in the fall of Assad. The well being of the Syrian people is not one of these interests unfortunately.

It had drifted off-topic, we are now waiting to know if Kofi Annan's efforts have been in vain.

Putin has had talks with Hollande and Merkel and the only thing they seem to agree on is to prevent civil war in Syria

[HighGreens35]

Originally Posted by mrplodge

i am not convinced that the government even did this. We are being manipulated by the media in what we hear. A large number in syria love the regime, what kind of idiot leader would do this. He is a well educated man. I may be wrong but i am not convinced, looks more like terrorists to me. Do people really believe soldiers who may have families there would do this. If it was out of site out of mind i.e tanks or bombs maybe plausible but bullets to the head no way

I think your right.

[buck]

Originally Posted by erebus

Americans are generous to a fault are they????

Well the fault is their economy is based on the necessity for war. The faults are depleted uranium footprints wherever they bomb, and as the the geneticc human mutations, they are just demonstrations of how total power corrupts.

Generous at mass murder while the propaganda spouts the tune of freedom and democracy, providing that is, it has to be the right kind, the kind that is generopus to Us corporate needs.

US interests have left libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and vietnam to mention a few rejoicing in their generosity....well keep swallowing the propaganda as it makes sh*t acceptable to consume, and after a time it seems many get the taste for it, and demand more.

Do you go to bed at night dreaming up all this nonsense, insecure? Are you not afraid you are obsessing? You are boring that's for sure. But I won't worry, I will continue seeing around me a beautiful land I chose to become part of, knowing, not pontificating hatred of the people and government of this place by people like you in your scruffy city.