[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

There are minimum levels of staffing, I don't know what they are, but as the average care home occupancy is only 30 people I think it would be unusual to find 50+ with only a single nurse on duty.

Care homes with nurses?

[Sidecut]

The best run and most caring that my mother went into for respite were the council run homes.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Sidecut

Care homes with nurses?

Yeah, that would be completely normal since the residents are often taking multiple drugs a day and have regular medical needs.

[Cyclone]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CaringFo...es/DG_10031411

I stand partially corrected on this, although there is a minimum to be left to the person of around £23/week apparently.
Seems a bit wrong to me...

[andyofborg]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CaringFo...es/DG_10031411

I stand partially corrected on this, although there is a minimum to be left to the person of around £23/week apparently.
Seems a bit wrong to me...

the care home should be providing pretty much all a resident needs and it all has to be paid for.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

the care home should be providing pretty much all a resident needs and it all has to be paid for.

I can think of things that they don't provide, clothing for example, travel, outside entertainment, leisure facilities, private transport, etc...

[little tank]

Yes southern cross went bust because of greedy landlords but four seasons own most of there building and there deep in the red it's not just staffing costs we have a staffing ratio of 1:5 and 2 nurses in the day then there's the extra equipment hoists electric beds air mattresses that cost £1500 each for the mattress £500+ for a basic electric bed,hoists £1000+ slings £90 per sling per resident slide sheets ect and due to cut backs very little of this can be lent from the social.

[andyofborg]

Originally Posted by little tank

Yes southern cross went bust because of greedy landlords

it wasn't greedy landlords though, southern cross' business model was to sell it's buildings and then rent them back. due to all sorts of reasons it then found itself in a position where it couldn't pay the rent or anything else.

i believe that the current situation is that the building owners are now running these homes.

[CarolW]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

That's simply not true is it.

Err... Yes it is.... both my parents had to go into a care home, I had to fill in forms stating their bank account balances, any assets they had (eg the house) any income they were receiving, any financial obligations....

Both parents have now passed away and I'm in the process of selling their house - and from the proceeds, I will have to pay what's left of the care home bill...

The only part which I haven't had to pay is the nursing care fees, which the authority has paid - if the resident has enough assets, the residential fees have to be paid out of those assets.....

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by CarolW

Err... Yes it is....

Originally Posted by Cyclone

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/CaringFo...es/DG_10031411

I stand partially corrected on this

Try to keep up.

[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

I can think of things that they don't provide, clothing for example, travel, outside entertainment, leisure facilities, private transport, etc...

All out of the £23 they're left with. As I said previously they tried it on over the Chiropadist until we refused.
This is the problem now that care has gone private, profit not care is the main aim.

[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by little tank

Yes southern cross went bust because of greedy landlords but four seasons own most of there building and there deep in the red it's not just staffing costs we have a staffing ratio of 1:5 and 2 nurses in the day then there's the extra equipment hoists electric beds air mattresses that cost £1500 each for the mattress £500+ for a basic electric bed,hoists £1000+ slings £90 per sling per resident slide sheets ect and due to cut backs very little of this can be lent from the social.

Nobody asked them to go into the care home business blindfolded.

[little tank]

Was trying to explain why nursing home cost over £500 per week compared to previous posts about full board in a hotel costing 200/300 a week.

[libuse]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Yeah, that would be completely normal since the residents are often taking multiple drugs a day and have regular medical needs.

Not at all - registered residential care homes have non-qualified staff who administer medication, usually using one of the monitored dosage systems like Nomad or similar. If residents have medical needs that require nursing attention then either the care home use district nurses (eg, tissue viability nurses attend where residents have pressure damage, etc) or they move into nursing homes, which do have qualified nurses on duty. You won't often find qualified staff working in registered care homes, and care homes usually have a condition on their registration stating that they can't provide nursing care.

[walkertelecoms]

Be nice to your kids, they decide which home you end up in, be SUPER nice to your kids and hopefully you'll never get to see inside such a place. I'm thankful all my kids are nurses and care workers and soon I'll explain to them which side of their future homes the grandad annex is getting attached to

You know, like in the old days, my grandparents lived in our front room in a very Willy Wonka Way

Libuse 'like'

[CarolW]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Try to keep up.

Ok, so I didn't notice the third page of comments!!!!!

I must be inheriting my parents conditions.....

[Sebtine]

Originally Posted by Kidorry

I don`t know about £500 a week in a care home but my brother pays £350-00 a week for care in his own home.It jumped last year from £113-00 to this amount.

The condems always rip off old people. They are easy targets.

[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by Sebtine

The condems always rip off old people. They are easy targets.

It was before the Condems, Thatcher explored any avenue where a profit could be made for her supporters.

[Anna B]

I'm not sure about this, but I thought that if someone needed medical care, it was paid for by the state. I remember the late, great Claire Rainer campaigning for Altzheimer patients to come under this umbrella.

I have heard of several cases where care homes have overcharged patients (for instance continuing to charge after the patient's assets have fallen below £23,000.) But you try getting any kind of itemised account out of them, or any money back.

Let's not forget that many of these old people have worked hard and paid tax and national Insurance all their lives. They have given great service to this country, paid into the system and were the ones who fought in a war and won us a welfare state in the first place.

[JFKvsNixon]

Originally Posted by Anna B

I'm not sure about this, but I thought that if someone needed medical care, it was paid for by the state. I remember the late, great Claire Rainer campaigning for Altzheimer patients to come under this umbrella.

I have heard of several cases where care homes have overcharged patients (for instance continuing to charge after the patient's assets have fallen below £23,000.) But you try getting any kind of itemised account out of them, or any money back.

Let's not forget that many of these old people have worked hard and paid tax and national Insurance all their lives. They have given great service to this country, paid into the system and were the ones who fought in a war and won us a welfare state in the first place.

We're not talking about medical care though, residential care homes are aimed at the social care end of the market.