[Hots on]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

Not at all, most people on the left identified them as the BNP-lite long ago before they ever had any success.

It's not a deliberate tactic to smear them, it's just honestly how we see them.

Dont be ridiculous, show me the UKIP policy where they want an all white Britain?

The left are frothing because Nigel Farage is a charasmatic guy that has appeal with some sections of the working class; he seems to get a round of applause every time he opens his mouth on Question time when he's on.

[Frank Sidney]

Originally Posted by Hots on

Dont be ridiculous, show me the UKIP policy where they want an all white Britain?

The left are frothing because Nigel Farage is a charasmatic guy that has appeal with some sections of the working class; he seems to get a round of applause every time he opens his mouth on Question time when he's on.

He's by far the best leader...

[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by mj.scuba

It's quite predictable, the better UKIP do, the more the left will try to characterise them as BNP wannabes.

So what's new. calling people racist, fascist is 'The Final Solution' for those who've nothing better to contribute.

[flamingjimmy]

Originally Posted by Sidecut

So what's new. calling people racist, fascist is 'The Final Solution' for those who've nothing better to contribute.

And by godwin's law, you have just lost the argument.

Comparing calling people racist with the holocaust, really?

[flamingjimmy]

Originally Posted by Hots on

Dont be ridiculous, show me the UKIP policy where they want an all white Britain?

You show me where I said or implied anything of the sort and I'll be glad to. If not, then please compose a response that's actually relevant to what I said next time.

[mj.scuba]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

You show me where I said or implied anything of the sort and I'll be glad to. If not, then please compose a response that's actually relevant to what I said next time.

You must have reasons for seeing UKIP as "BNP-lite", what are they?

[Halibut]

Originally Posted by Frank Sidney

He's by far the best leader...

Hey Frank, you still haven't answered those questions - are you afraid of something?

[Patriot]

Right, to put an end to the arguments about UKIP-V-BNP policies please READ these;

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies

http://communications.bnp.org.uk/ge2010manifesto.pdf

If after reading them properly there are those among us who believe UKIP is the 'new' BNP my response can only be-You Can't Educate Pork.

[Ousetunes]

Originally Posted by Halibut

Hey Frank, you still haven't answered those questions - are you afraid of something?

You're like an itch that you can't get rid of!

[flamingjimmy]

Originally Posted by mj.scuba

You must have reasons for seeing UKIP as "BNP-lite", what are they?

I think they are largely motivated by jingoism and xenophobia but just don't take it as far, and they don't seem particularly concerned about skin colour.

They have similar stances to the BNP on immigration, crime (apart from the BNP's support for the death penalty), they both oppose the scientific consensus on climate change, they both have similar stances on the teaching of history in Schools (what amounts to a revisionist jingoistic 'Britain is awesome' version of history ), they both want to repeal the human rights act, they both want to increase military spending, the list goes on and on.

If they don't want to be compared with the BNP then they shouldn't share so many policies with them.

[Hots on]

Originally Posted by Halibut

Hey Frank, you still haven't answered those questions - are you afraid of something?

You're notorious on this forum for very rarely answering direct questions that are put to you.

[asdf1234]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

I think they are largely motivated by jingoism and xenophobia but just don't take it as far, and they don't seem particularly concerned about skin colour.

They have similar stances to the BNP on immigration, crime (apart from the BNP's support for the death penalty), they both oppose the scientific consensus on climate change, they both have similar stances on the teaching of history in Schools (what amounts to a revisionist jingoistic 'Britain is awesome' version of history ), they both want to repeal the human rights act, they both want to increase military spending, the list goes on and on.

If they don't want to be compared with the BNP then they shouldn't share so many policies with them.

I hate liberalsI hate racists

[Hots on]

Originally Posted by asdf1234

I hate liberalsI hate racists

Liberal is a very misused word. In Britain it means freedom of the individual, you're not against that are you??

[asdf1234]

Originally Posted by Hots on

Liberal is a very misused word. In Britain it means freedom of the individual, you're not against that are you??

I am all for that, however liberals are not, IMHO. Sorry.

[mj.scuba]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

I think they are largely motivated by jingoism and xenophobia but just don't take it as far, and they don't seem particularly concerned about skin colour.

They have similar stances to the BNP on immigration, crime (apart from the BNP's support for the death penalty), they both oppose the scientific consensus on climate change, they both have similar stances on the teaching of history in Schools (what amounts to a revisionist jingoistic 'Britain is awesome' version of history ), they both want to repeal the human rights act, they both want to increase military spending, the list goes on and on.

If they don't want to be compared with the BNP then they shouldn't share so many policies with them.

I agree there are some similarities in some policy areas, but I don't think they're jingoistic or xenophobic, I find most of UKIP policy to be quite sensible.

[Frank Sidney]

Originally Posted by Halibut

Hey Frank, you still haven't answered those questions - are you afraid of something?

No not at all, I can't be bothered, there's no point you're beyond hope...

[Sidecut]

Originally Posted by Halibut
Hey Frank, you still haven't answered those questions - are you afraid of something?

Originally Posted by Hots on

You're notorious on this forum for very rarely answering direct questions that are put to you.

Has Halibut ever contributed let alone answered any questions?

[not wanted]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

I think they are largely motivated by jingoism and xenophobia but just don't take it as far, and they don't seem particularly concerned about skin colour.

They have similar stances to the BNP on immigration, crime (apart from the BNP's support for the death penalty), they both oppose the scientific consensus on climate change, they both have similar stances on the teaching of history in Schools (what amounts to a revisionist jingoistic 'Britain is awesome' version of history ), they both want to repeal the human rights act, they both want to increase military spending, the list goes on and on.

If they don't want to be compared with the BNP then they shouldn't share so many policies with them.

I remember when the BNP were not just a Green party but a hard Green party.

[retep]

Originally Posted by flamingjimmy

I think they are largely motivated by jingoism and xenophobia but just don't take it as far, and they don't seem particularly concerned about skin colour.

They have similar stances to the BNP on immigration, crime (apart from the BNP's support for the death penalty), they both oppose the scientific consensus on climate change, they both have similar stances on the teaching of history in Schools (what amounts to a revisionist jingoistic 'Britain is awesome' version of history ), they both want to repeal the human rights act, they both want to increase military spending, the list goes on and on.

If they don't want to be compared with the BNP then they shouldn't share so many policies with them.

UKIP want to get rid of the Climate Change Act, it will cost the UK billions

Godfrey Bloom MEP, the UKIP Energy spokesman said, “The news has even filtered to Brussels that the UK’s energy policies are causing harm to our economy. If anything needs to be spiked it is the economically illiterate Climate Change Act, that is to a large degree the cause of this price rise.”

He went on, “It is bad enough that British business, particularly the SME sector is being hamstrung by a knot of regulatory red tape, but worse that the UK government wants to sacrifice them and the country’s prosperity on the altar of Climate Change.”
http://ukip.org/content/latest-news/...-fuel-bills-up



the Conservatives want to get rid of the Human Rights Act

Home Secretary: scrap the Human Rights Act
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, risks an explosive rift inside the Coalition with an explicit call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ights-Act.html

Where does that leave your argument?

[Michael_W]

There is a trend on SF, in the media and in politics to apply spin and gain higher moral ground by besmirching the opinions and motives of others ..... it is a nazi style attempt to silence the voice of those who do not share their opinions, a sort of growing censorship that is against the very foundation of our freedom of speech !

"I don't like what you are saying so it should not be said"
Is that the true stance of those who litter the place with words like bigot, racist, fascist, xenophobic, homophobic, jingoism, nationalism ........