Old baldy hague has said we wont get a chance to vote on this by the tories. I am sure they are backtracking on this and this is what they are doing in opposition. Be careful what you wish for voting these shysters in, think what else they will backtrack on
Old baldy hague has said we wont get a chance to vote on this by the tories. I am sure they are backtracking on this and this is what they are doing in opposition. Be careful what you wish for voting these shysters in, think what else they will backtrack on
There is a huge difference between changing policy BEFORE the election and changing policy after you are elected.
The real back-tracking was done by this government who promised a referendum before the last election and refused to have one on the Lisbon treaty after they were elected. It is a scandal.
The trouble is, if Lisbon is ratified by the Czechs, and it looks certain to be, then it will have been ratified There's nothing the Tories could realistically do about it short of pulling out of europe altogether, and they are not about to do that in a hurry
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So it was just more opportunistic spouting by Cameron? Offer a "cast-iron guarantee" of a referendum... (ssh... except if Lisbon becomes ratified...). Now he's having to think again and it'll be interesting to see what his opportunism will bring forth this time...
Yeah, it seems to me that the Tories, on a lot of policies, are only a small notch above NooLabour, when it comes to sussing out how the majority of people in the U.K. feel about things, e.g. mass immigration, Europe, the Criminal Justice ' System ' and the ' Nanny ' State. Both parties are just lucky that, up to now, they have long been the only two parties with a realistic chance of winning an election. What with all the recent sleaze scandals and the economic mess the U.K. is in, I 'm surprised either of them get even one vote !
Once the treaty has been ratified it cannot be un-ratified. The only method of getting out of it would mean the UK leaving the union which is not something the conservatives want.
This is more about the lies and deceit of the Labour party who where voted in on a manifesto that promised a referendum. Britain's signing of the treaty is more about getting Blair into the presidential seat than anything else.
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This country needs a vote on whether were in or out of the eu. instead of straddeling with one foot in america, one in the eu! they will chuck us out eventually, which would be a good thing!!
There is a huge difference between changing policy BEFORE the election and changing policy after you are elected.
The real back-tracking was done by this government who promised a referendum before the last election and refused to have one on the Lisbon treaty after they were elected. It is a scandal.
The trouble is, if Lisbon is ratified by the Czechs, and it looks certain to be, then it will have been ratified There's nothing the Tories could realistically do about it short of pulling out of europe altogether, and they are not about to do that in a hurry
Klaus recinded his previous position today (I think)and Cameron made his statement almost simultaneously,hence the bad feeling.
The only saving grace for Euro sceptics is that,supposedly,although Lisbon will as of now be self amending,there is a "get out clause" which was not written into the constitution as was.
I have a copy of the Lisbon treaty which I'm currently trawling through,it's heavy reading but it only cost me £27.50 and takes you right through from the coal and steel agreements of 1951,the C.A.P,Rome,Maastricht,the constitution and eventually what became Lisbon.....Hey,I'm a really interesting guy.
This country needs a vote on whether were in or out of the eu. instead of straddeling with one foot in america, one in the eu! they will chuck us out eventually, which would be a good thing!!
They wont chuck us out mate,we pay far too much money into their coffers to ever do that.
They wont chuck us out mate,we pay far too much money into their coffers to ever do that.
Once Blair and Brown had given away Maggie's hard won rebate we became the financial carriers of the lame ducks in the EU.
Cameron promised a Lisbon Treaty referendum if it hadn't been totally ratified. It is probably beyond a referendum now to salvage what Labour signed up to.
Brown and Blair promised a referendum on the Constitution itself. B&B just lied through their teeth.
David Cameron has made it plain all along that he would offer a referendum if the Treaty had not been ratified by all 27 countries before the next election, hence his plea to the Czechs (or was it Turkey) to try to talk them in to waiting until after the next election to ratify the Treaty. He isn't going back on his word at all. Simply put, there is no point. As serapis pointed out, once it is ratified you can't un-ratify it. At least they guy was upfront about the whole thing, which certainly hasn't been the case with the current administration.
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Just another blag to make the torries look good, something without substance.
It looks like UKIP for me then.
I am sure Cameron will be crapping himself at the prospect of you voting UKIP. How many seats do you think UKIP will take? Will they do better than last time's "not quite any?"
I am sure Cameron will be crapping himself at the prospect of you voting UKIP. How many seats do you think UKIP will take? Will they do better than last time's "not quite any?"
Do UKIP have any policies other than leaving the EU?
We need parties with a clear and sane vision for the future not single issue protest parties.
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David Cameron has made it plain all along that he would offer a referendum if the Treaty had not been ratified by all 27 countries before the next election, hence his plea to the Czechs (or was it Turkey) to try to talk them in to waiting until after the next election to ratify the Treaty. He isn't going back on his word at all. Simply put, there is no point. As serapis pointed out, once it is ratified you can't un-ratify it. At least they guy was upfront about the whole thing, which certainly hasn't been the case with the current administration.
Cameron did not 'make it plain all along', nor was he 'upfront' about the nature of his referendum pledge. Indeed, he was remarkably vague and tight-lipped about what he would if the Treaty was ratified before he entered into office. For example, in his initial statement to the 'Sun' on this issue, he promised a referendum on 'any EU treaty that emerges from (the Lisbon) negotiations'. Moreover, in May 2009, he stated that 'A progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people. We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty'. What he didn't do was to explicitly add a conditionality clause onto these statements.
Similarly, earlier this year I remember watching an interview on Newsnight between William Hague and Jeremy Paxman, in which Hague pointly refused to answer Paxman's explicit question about what the Tories would do if the Treaty was ratified before the next election. Hague prevaricated and blustered, but refused to answer the question.
Of course, the answer should have been obvious. A referendum on a ratified treaty can only really be about one thing, i.e. whether to stay in or out of the EU. As Cameron has ruled out a referendum on EU membership per se , there would be no referendum, post ratification.
Old baldy hague has said we wont get a chance to vote on this by the tories. I am sure they are backtracking on this and this is what they are doing in opposition. Be careful what you wish for voting these shysters in, think what else they will backtrack on
So how did Labour's promise for a referedum work out? They did have an opportunity to hold one as they were in government at the time.
Be careful what you wish for voting these shysters back in, think what else they HAVE backtracked on. Where is my full pint?
There is a huge difference between changing policy BEFORE the election and changing policy after you are elected.
Perhaps but that hasn't stopped them from saying they'd dump/alter the Human Right Act if they came to power and replace it with a British version. What's the difference? We signed the European Convention on Human Right too.
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