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Old 03-11-2009, 17:41   #61
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Its funny, I thought about just this sort of thing yesterday. My daughter was attending her first ever Tae Kwon Do class and I sat snapping pics of her, with all the other children in the class in the pics as well. I was sat with probably 5 other mothers watching the class so their children were in the pics as well. I thought to myself, if I were in the UK, I could get in deep doo-doo for this. Thankfully, we haven't gotten quite that paranoid about that sort of thing here.....yet.
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Old 03-11-2009, 23:22   #62
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:49   #63
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Its funny, I thought about just this sort of thing yesterday. My daughter was attending her first ever Tae Kwon Do class and I sat snapping pics of her, with all the other children in the class in the pics as well. I was sat with probably 5 other mothers watching the class so their children were in the pics as well. I thought to myself, if I were in the UK, I could get in deep doo-doo for this. Thankfully, we haven't gotten quite that paranoid about that sort of thing here.....yet.
For the most part, nor have we. I have filmed and photographed my own and other children at school and nursery for the last 8 years without incident or comment. Photographing and filming the children in their nativity plays and during fetes and fairs and nature walks was positively encouraged. Kids love seeing the pictures.

Actual cases are rare, and hence highly visible owing to a predictable reaction from amateur and pro photographers when it is effectively insinuated that they are guilty of some horrendous non-specific crime involving pictures of children.

Don't believe the hype.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:46   #64
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For the most part, nor have we. I have filmed and photographed my own and other children at school and nursery for the last 8 years without incident or comment. Photographing and filming the children in their nativity plays and during fetes and fairs and nature walks was positively encouraged. Kids love seeing the pictures.

Actual cases are rare, and hence highly visible owing to a predictable reaction from amateur and pro photographers when it is effectively insinuated that they are guilty of some horrendous non-specific crime involving pictures of children.

Don't believe the hype.
Guess I did fall for the hype. I've read a number of articles in the news about people being questioned about taking pics around children and of cameras being forbidden in certain settings. I figured it must be rampant over there. Glad to hear I am mistaken.
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Old 04-11-2009, 08:00   #65
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I take pictures and video of my daughter all the time , and don,t give a toss what people think... if they don,t agree.... suit themselves.. we also take pictures of our kids that train at our classes.. the parents think its great.. I agree the few small minded people may not like it... but like I said thats their problem.

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Old 04-11-2009, 09:11   #66
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Its funny, I thought about just this sort of thing yesterday. My daughter was attending her first ever Tae Kwon Do class and I sat snapping pics of her, with all the other children in the class in the pics as well. I was sat with probably 5 other mothers watching the class so their children were in the pics as well. I thought to myself, if I were in the UK, I could get in deep doo-doo for this. Thankfully, we haven't gotten quite that paranoid about that sort of thing here.....yet.
America is/was extremely paranoid post 9/11.
Not being able to take photos of govt buildings etc,or this, wrong way Goldfarb

http://www.nycphotorights.com/2009/0...photographers/

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/l...photographers/

http://www.cosmictap.com/an-accident...t-phil-dreyer/
and on, and on.
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Old 04-11-2009, 20:56   #67
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There should be a campaign against photographers taking snaps in public without the consent of the person they are taking the snaps of.
That's pretty much one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard on this board and there's been a lot of ridiculous statements!
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Old 04-11-2009, 21:18   #68
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That's pretty much one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard on this board and there's been a lot of ridiculous statements!
Isn't it just?
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Old 04-11-2009, 21:35   #69
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America is/was extremely paranoid post 9/11.
Not being able to take photos of govt buildings etc,or this, wrong way Goldfarb

http://www.nycphotorights.com/2009/0...photographers/

http://carlosmiller.com/2009/01/21/l...photographers/

http://www.cosmictap.com/an-accident...t-phil-dreyer/
and on, and on.
You are correct about that. In fact there was an incident in the city where I live....we have some very tall buildings downtown in the financial district and a tourist who was taking video of the area was stopped, detained and questioned by police. A natural reaction to the 9/11 attacks. But with regard to photographing children specifically, I've not heard of any such paranoia.

**Edited to add: Thanks for the link on Carlos Miller. It is very interesting reading and I was completely taken aback by the stories I have read there. That is one blog I will continue to read.
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Old 04-11-2009, 23:41   #70
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You are correct about that. In fact there was an incident in the city where I live....we have some very tall buildings downtown in the financial district and a tourist who was taking video of the area was stopped, detained and questioned by police. A natural reaction to the 9/11 attacks. But with regard to photographing children specifically, I've not heard of any such paranoia.

**Edited to add: Thanks for the link on Carlos Miller. It is very interesting reading and I was completely taken aback by the stories I have read there. That is one blog I will continue to read.
You are right,I have done more searches and found very little apart from Polanski,but I guess that is a different subject.I did find this though from my side of the pond.
http://boingboing.net/2008/07/25/eld...an-prohib.html
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Some stories for those that are interested, not all to do with photographing kids but stories of people with cameras getting into bother generally. A good number of these stories are linked to terrorism as the applied paranoia but I think it is still relevant here...

Loads of links to stories from this page:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...hread=30960253

Some more...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...8433175&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...blic-park.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ap...tourist-photos
http://photorights.org/forum/2-days-down-the-drain
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/sho...ml?page=836675
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...ter_clampdown/
http://marcvallee.wordpress.com/2009...aphers-camera/
http://photorights.org/forum/daily-m...obs-is-assault
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKl2sEN4yNM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/kent_police/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...le-phone-court
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3684

Possibly my favourite...
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?...46229&from=rss

I have less sympathy for the people arrested in this one...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ideo-complaint

Some humour to lighten things up a bit
http://breden.org.uk/2008/06/28/uk-p...photographers/
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:40   #72
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There should be a campaign against photographers taking snaps in public without the consent of the person they are taking the snaps of.
Don't be ridiculous - so that would mean no taking photo's in the street, in parks, pubs, music events, sports events.... without asking the permission of everyone in the shot....
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:35   #73
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I have less sympathy for the people arrested in this one...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ideo-complaint
Why? They were well within their rights and had comitted no offence from what I can tell.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:47   #74
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Don't be ridiculous - so that would mean no taking photo's in the street, in parks, pubs, music events, sports events.... without asking the permission of everyone in the shot....
Oooo this is an old thread.

And no, it wouldn't mean no taking photos in the street/park etc etc, I think it is theee that is being ridiculous.

I object to having a camera shoved in my face by a complete stranger, maybe you get off on it, who knows, but how is me objecting being ridiculous, prey tell.
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Old 05-11-2009, 13:48   #75
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Oooo this is an old thread.

And no, it wouldn't mean no taking photos in the street/park etc etc, I think it is theee that is being ridiculous.

I object to having a camera shoved in my face by a complete stranger, maybe you get off on it, who knows, but how is me objecting being ridiculous, prey tell.
If you are being harassed by someone taking pictures of you, you can complain to the police, but if someone is taking photos in public it IS ridiculous for them to have ask permission of everyone who might appear in it.
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Old 05-11-2009, 13:58   #76
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If you are being harassed by someone taking pictures of you, you can complain to the police, but if someone is taking photos in public it IS ridiculous for them to have ask permission of everyone who might appear in it.
Having someone happen to appear in a photograph being taken is not the same as taking photographs of a person.

Oh just to add, I think when I initially posted I was referring to paps.
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Old 05-11-2009, 15:52   #77
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It is said, that we have to remain vigulant at all times, as some people do have sinister motives.

On the bus last week was a man, and he had a dog on a lead, and a cat in a 'cat carry box', all very innocent you may say. BUT.....CONSIDER.........THIS..........

The man also had a video camera which raises some very worrying questions, as he had a cat and a dog. When I struck up a conversation with the man, he claimed that he had bought the new camera for his holidays, and that the cat in the 'carry box' was ill and was on his way to the vet, and that the dog came too as it didn't like being on its own.

mmmm, yes, a likely story.

Me thinks, the cat and dog are likely to be film stars in the adult film industry
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Old 05-11-2009, 17:45   #78
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When I was doing photography at GCSE, the teacher insisted that the first topic was to be "children". So he and the rest of us went down the local park to take pictures of children.

Nobody raised an eyebrow then, so why all the fuss now?

Although saying that, the teacher always did seem a tad odd...
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Old 05-11-2009, 18:05   #79
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When I was doing photography at GCSE, the teacher insisted that the first topic was to be "children". So he and the rest of us went down the local park to take pictures of children.

Nobody raised an eyebrow then, so why all the fuss now?
Paedophilia hadn't been invented then
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Old 05-11-2009, 18:48   #80
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some of you photographer's might find this useful
http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm as i guess the same rules apply in sheffield with south yorkshire police
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