Who's at fault here in this car crash

So you don't have an answer and it's just rabble rousing. Thanks for clarifying.

Asking an expert and then posting his opinion is a curious definition of rabble rousing but ok!

It would have been more curious to be in that position with a driving examiner and not ask his opinion.

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Also, since when has there been only one authority in a subject? You appear disproportionately upset that someone disagrees with you.

I've just accepted that I'm right, that there's no cure for stupid, some people aren't for turning regardless of the evidence laid before them and I've moved on.

I've also decided to get a dash cam - i think this thread proves their worth.

Asking an expert and then posting his opinion is a curious definition of rabble rousing but ok!

 

It would have been more curious to be in that position with a driving examiner and not ask his opinion.

 

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Also, since when has there been only one authority in a subject? You appear disproportionately upset that someone disagrees with you.

watch what you say to some posters on here you could end up with a suspension:roll:

Would you believe it? Another roundabout where arrows point straight on in the left lane but the white lines make you go left. Surely not two painting errors within a quarter of a mile of each other?

https://goo.gl/maps/eN7bQFNY7sx

Oh my giddy aunt. Same roundabout different approach. This roundabout should be a deathtrap.

https://goo.gl/maps/Qty6JATUeFD2

Or maybe you can cross white lines if instructed to do so on the approach. Just a thought.

Would you believe it? Another roundabout where arrows point straight on in the left lane but the white lines make you go left

They are everywhere mate.

One I ride every day is Park Sq roundabout from Exchange St. The left and centre lane both marked as M1

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3839889,-1.4610229,3a,75y,134.83h,84.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swNcTH2yHvu_7eBAAYHavSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

But as you proceed onto the roundabout the lane markings direct those that were in the centre lane to go way over to the right, and away from the M1 lanes and into he A61S lane..

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3838302,-1.4608197,3a,75y,98.22h,78.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s71e_cow4Cfsduou5cuzjhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

It on where I have to take extra care when riding, and give way to cars not knowing where they should be just so they don't drive into me.

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So you don't have an answer and it's just rabble rousing. Thanks for clarifying.

Oblix, it would seem that a professional driver disagrees with you. Seeing as he is an examiner I will go with his opinion. I must say that your opinion on the matter really did surprise me from the outset, considering your claimed qualifications. I can understand a 'typical' motorist getting it wrong, but not one with the qualifications you claim to have.

What you have to understand is some people can't read or identify the meaning of symbols:rolleyes:

WarPig, that roundabout has the same traffic filter back out here from the A61S lane to an M1 N lane.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3837744,-1.460655,3a,75y,116.65h,69.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3OUehiY1cpaWmKq3t6nj_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The inner lane actually splits into 3, but it doesn't force you to cross any white lines by doing so.

WarPig, that roundabout has the same traffic filter back out here from the A61S lane to an M1 N lane.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3837744,-1.460655,3a,75y,116.65h,69.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3OUehiY1cpaWmKq3t6nj_Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

The inner lane actually splits into 3, but it doesn't force you to cross any white lines by doing so.

I think Warpig is pointing out that the centre lane on approach is marked M1, but that lane guides you onto the A61S and away from the M1 when you actually enter the roundabout.

If you needed the M1 and took the centre lane approach you would need to change lanes into the path of traffic that took the left hand lane approach and slow down to do so, impeding the flow of traffic behind that wants the A61S exit.

It's different to the issue at Meadowhall though, where the arrow indicates straight on, but the roundabout markings actually indicate something different.

At Park Square the arrow indicates straight on, and you can achieve that without ever crossing a lane marking. You would NOT need to change lanes, the lane you are in splits (into 3), you can see it in the links I posted. The traffic that uses the left hand lane never conflicts with the traffic using the 2nd M1N lane.

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https://ibb.co/ipTaca

I've added the path taken to this google satellite image to illustrate.

It's different to the issue at Meadowhall though, where the arrow indicates straight on, but the roundabout markings actually indicate something different.

At Park Square the arrow indicates straight on, and you can achieve that without ever crossing a lane marking. You would NOT need to change lanes, the lane you are in splits (into 3), you can see it in the links I posted. The traffic that uses the left hand lane never conflicts with the traffic using the 2nd M1N lane.

Yes, I see that lane 1 splits into three. These three lanes take you in the direction of the M1. But the issue with this approach is lane 2 markings.

Lane 2, also labelled M1 on approach, takes you on to the roundabout. You cannot go towards the M1 from Lane 2 without changing lanes - despite it being marked M1 on approach.

 

https://ibb.co/ipTaca

 

I've added the path taken to this google satellite image to illustrate.

This is a different approach to the one shown in the google street view.

Apologies, you're correct, I was looking at the wrong entrance.

The lane markings on the roundabout don't match the words on the road as Warpig said for the commercial street entrance.

5 days ago somebody in this thread said they're leaving it and not posting anymore.

He's still here posting