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Alcohol hasn’t been banned, it’s only smoking being banned for young people born after a certain date. This thread ought to be re-titled really. Some people are comparing alcohol to tobacco but the usage of these products is very different as mentioned in previous posts.

It has been really useful. It’s not a section that people will post on constantly of course but it has a lot of valuable information. So I’m pleased it’s still there as I believe there were plans to remove it. I don’t think hiding it away was a good move though. Until I saw this thread, I thought it had been removed.

They tend not to have do much problem end in Mediterranean countries don’t they? I believe that’s at least partly due to culture and having a more relaxed attitude to drinking. Banning and restricting drinking doesn’t tend to end well. I’m sorry if I offended you regarding the smoking comments. They were not directed at you personally or indeed all smokers. Unfortunately though, there ARE still a lot of anti social smokers (and increasingly vapers) around. Those of us who don’t smoke and vape often have to breathe these fumes in on a daily basis whether we like it or not. Excess drinking is a problem but it tends to be at night and around bars and clubs. Unlike smoking. A lot of smokers and vapers still think it’s perfectly fine to stand at bus stop and blow their fumes around other people. Or lurk in a doorway to a building smoking so other people have no choice but to walk past. Of course I know traffic fumes and other pollution are also a problem but that doesn’t make smoking and vaping around people OK. I also know that excess drinking is harmful but that doesn’t make smoking OK either. Alcoholics may drink at a bus at 7am but the vast majority of normal drinkers do not. Smokers positively enjoy that morning cigarette though and some just don’t care about others passive smoking as a result.

The world would certainly be a better place if all people put the welfare of animals (and other humans of course) above worshipping divine entities and following the rules they apparently want us humans to obey.

Thank you for clarifying this. In that case I think people that don’t believe in divine entities should be clearly informed if meat is Halal or Shechita so they can choose not to eat it if they wish to put the welfare of real, living animals over divine entities.

I don’t believe I did say I’d want to eat it myself and my personal view is that the ritual is based on nonsense. But why is it worse to Halal slaughter an animal? I’ve heard differing views on this regarding animal welfare. I would say if anyone is that concerned about animal slaughter they might do better to become vegetarian.

They are very different. Where they can get away with it smokers lurk in doorways, bus stops etc and puff their fumes at passers by. Some still walk around in busy areas blowing their fumes around for passers by to breathe in. In days gone by a large percentage of people smoked. Even if you didn’t smoke you couldn’t avoid it. It was on public transport and in workplaces . Drinking certainly can have negative consequences for passers by if someone is completely drunk and aggressive but most of us are capable of drinking socially without getting into a complete state.

Yes and can I dictate to the school exactly what I want for my child and never mind everyone else etc

Yes, that I read about that too. It basically amounts to bullying and shows the judge made the correct decision. If the parent of the child in question wants to send another child to that school then they surely cannot be so deeply religious as they claim to be. It’s all a bit like a vegan walking into a butcher’s shop and being horrified they sell meat and don’t have any vegan sausages. And doing it again and again.

Ok, thank you for clarifying that I missed something. However, I think you need to be mindful that discrimination isn’t just about racism and religion. There have been plenty of remarks on here that are offensive to other groups which have not been removed. I hope next time someone starts on with ‘control your woman’ thread it is removed as sexist. Or talking about disabled people being ‘benefit scroungers’ it is called out as ableist. Or derogatory comments about old people are removed as ageist. Because they are all equally offensive but I do sometimes feel as that certain groups have more protection regarding discrimination and offensive comments than others. Perhaps not in law but in regards to what is considered acceptable on a forum I’m such as this.

Perhaps because eating Halal meat doesn’t disrupt the school day any more than eating vegetarian or gluten free meals does. And being a secular school it doesn’t (and shouldn’t) ignore the existence of different religions and recognises the value of studying for historical, sociological etc reasons. Perhaps then their pupils will have a better understanding of the world and won’t grow up to make silly and deliberately obtuse assumptions about secular schooling.

Unless I missed something I don’t believe anyone has said anything racist or discriminatory so I’m not sure why we have this little reminder? Unless discussing this topic is in itself is taboo. Would we be getting little reminders such as this if there was a discussion might be discriminatory towards women? Or disabled people? Or ageism? I’ve seen discriminatory remarks about all those groups on this forum but no reminders about about the ‘guidelines and terms of the forum’.

I’ve never heard of any school that doesn’t close over Easter or Christmas in this country. Perhaps certain faith schools do? Historically this is a Christian country and although most people don’t attend church regularly there it is a long standing tradition to take holidays then and is established in the school calendar. It fact Christmas and Easter are pre dated by earlier pagan events were adopted by Christianity so it’s not actually just tied to that is an ancient tradition https://parkervillas.com/pagan-holidays-adopted-by-christianity/ As stated before and by the head teacher, no one is forced to attend the Michaela school. If attending a secular school that doesn’t accommodate regular praying through the day is a problematic to a pupil, other schools are available. It is up to the pupil and their family to find a suitable school not for a secular school to make allowances for individual pupils who have chosen to attend there.

Isn’t this referring to an assembly for all pupils though? Not prayers throughout the day for just some pupils. Which is rather different. But neither have any place in a modern secular action my opinion.

Yes, but pupils not of the faith school’s religion are surely not going to be expect special treatment or be offended by the school’s beliefs? Having known the school’s religious stance before joining? It has taken hundreds of years to release this country from religious control. We shouldn’t start going backwards by allowing religions to dictate to secular schools.