I would like an honest opinion from you lovley ladies out there.

To all the girls that wear low-cut revealing tops with cleavage, the question is.... do you mind us lads looking in that direction?

Some women seem to like it where others dont. I dont want the answer 'we dress how we want' as I have heard that before. Also I understand and appreciate that it is not nice for you ladies to have us look there when we are in 1 to 1 conversation.

However do you honestly like the attention from the lads.....????

Why else do they tart up?

PS - mods - move to general chat forum (or make me a mod and I could do it for you to save you the hassle....):D


PPS - the thread title question and the actual poll question are contrasting, so could lead to votes going in the wrong direction. Fix please.

It is my opinion that if girls don't want guys to look in that area then they shouldn't wear revealing tops.

But the same applies to men! Don't wear tight jeans and fitted tops if you don't want to be looked at!

It is my firm belief, and always has been that neither sex should wear anything revealing or remotely 'sexy', but should walk around in black bin-bags ( ladies would be entitled to two, or even three in extreme circumstances) hence extinctyfying threads like this.

You know it makes sense.

black bin bags could be exceptionally sexy though sam ... mmmm

Mmmmmmmm PVC!!!!!

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
It is my firm belief, and always has been that neither sex should wear anything revealing or remotely 'sexy', but should walk around in black bin-bags ( ladies would be entitled to two, or even three in extreme circumstances) hence extinctyfying threads like this.

You know it makes sense.

Shut up you tart!

...and a mad tart at that. Well done for spotting this. Well done.

Originally posted by evildrneil
Mmmmmmmm PVC!!!!!

mmmmmmmm ... figure hugging ... almost see through bin liners !!

the mind boggles !!

I cant say i wear very low cut tops cos i havent crossed the line into tarty slag territory, but most men are still pervs. No I dont like it, its embarrassing - for the man more than anything. It sounds/looks desperate, sad, pathetic... I find when men gather together into packs (or whatever the collective term for men may be) they seem to acquire a sudden pevert streak, and the pack (gaggle, flock...) find any comments extremely funny. One example of this is gangs (herds?) of builders.

Looking from a logical perspective (this is supposed to be a mans job but this stereotype is clearly flawed) is any woman of normal intelligence likely to find that man any more appealing if they make a pervy comment? No they arent. In fact they are likely to suddenly change their opinion of said man from normal bloke getting on with his job, to pervy, sad, pathetic bloke in need of a slap. Any normal woman will then immedietely leave the direct area in which the man stands - she may have been planning to stay, but you have just given her no choice but to leave.

Well done. I hope youre very proud of yourself.

ouch from hopefully normal man

someone has issues.

It's natural behaviour for men to look. They are there in the face place in order to help attract mates.
If women dress to show them off then it would be rude not to look.

Theres a difference between looking and yelling/making obscene comments and gestures, etc. The latter constitutes intimidation and sexual harassment.

Originally posted by Jamie
mmmmmmmm ... figure hugging ... almost see through bin liners !!

the mind boggles !!

Jamie you do seriously worry me sometimes.

The response from women here hasn't exactly been great; is this a male dominated forum or do some of us not want to admit that men are right for looking ;)

Just go to Kingdom on student nights, you can't fail to notice some of the talent unless your blind, or your mind is elsewhere!

Originally posted by dinp
The response from women here hasn't exactly been great; is this a male dominated forum or do some of us not want to admit that men are right for looking ;)

Just go to Kingdom on student nights, you can't fail to notice some of the talent unless your blind, or your mind is elsewhere!


Being in a nightclub is a bit different though to the men that leer at women (and girls) that happen to walk by in the street. When I used to walk home from school back in the day, I was amazed at the fact that builders would hoot horns and shout suggestive remarks at what were quite clearly schoolgirls, often only 13 - 14 years old. I bet these same idiots would then go to the pub later and spout how paedophiles should be burnt to death. I also bet if they had daughters that age, they'd kill anyone perving at them.

Originally posted by t020
Being in a nightclub is a bit different though to the men that leer at women (and girls) that happen to walk by in the street. When I used to walk home from school back in the day, I was amazed at the fact that builders would hoot horns and shout suggestive remarks at what were quite clearly schoolgirls, often only 13 - 14 years old. I bet these same idiots would then go to the pub later and spout how paedophiles should be burnt to death. I also bet if they had daughters that age, they'd kill anyone perving at them.

Very true, but like you say, they are idiots.

Originally posted by t020
Being in a nightclub is a bit different though to the men that leer at women (and girls) that happen to walk by in the street. When I used to walk home from school back in the day, I was amazed at the fact that builders would hoot horns and shout suggestive remarks at what were quite clearly schoolgirls, often only 13 - 14 years old. I bet these same idiots would then go to the pub later and spout how paedophiles should be burnt to death. I also bet if they had daughters that age, they'd kill anyone perving at them.

i had that experience too. Haven't really thought about since then, but now you've mentioned it, it's quite scarey. then again i find the whole school disco thing a bit wrong. Even though it's adults dressing as school kids. the fact that people like fantasising about people in school uniform worries me.

Originally posted by t020
Being in a nightclub is a bit different though to the men that leer at women (and girls) that happen to walk by in the street. When I used to walk home from school back in the day, I was amazed at the fact that builders would hoot horns and shout suggestive remarks at what were quite clearly schoolgirls, often only 13 - 14 years old. I bet these same idiots would then go to the pub later and spout how paedophiles should be burnt to death. I also bet if they had daughters that age, they'd kill anyone perving at them.


I can remember the exact same thing. Losers.

i HATE it when blokes look at my chest. I wear tshirts most of the time--not revealing one bit- but they still stare. there really is no excuse for guys to stare. but what aggravates me more is when im with my boyfriend and guys stare. now THAT makes me uncomfortable. if guys are doing it obviously , like one of my mates i laugh it off but whenthey try to take a sneaky peak i just tell em to pi** off lol.

Can't say that anyone stares at me!!

:sad: :cry:

i rarely look at a womans chest and would never stare (unless my girlfriends of course), how uncomfortable must that be for a woman, - butt (ha) having said that i can't help but be transfixed by a woman with a cute butt sometimes :roll:

Sorry ladies, your going to hate me, But when your a bit down and you get a beep from a car or a glance etc from a guy or group of then does it not give you a bit of a self confidence and think 'yeah I've still got it'? Sorry but I know it does me! Not so nice when lads talk to your chest all night but us ladies do it all the same, especially when a group of girls get together, especially when on the pi*s we are dangerous! We eye up guys as much as they do us. Think any women that says they don't appreciate a good looking bloke needs there eyes testing. It's only right that women and men gawp at each other, it's human instinct!

im not bothered if a guy eyes up my butt, cos i cant see em!! but otherwise it ****** me off-whether they are gorgeous or not. and when i get honked at by drivers i feel so embarassed and just wanna hide! i hate it. mind you im a very unconfident person, maybe other girls love it but its just like when builders shout-horrible.

first to admit me and my friends when in pubs or anywhere and see good looking girls we will look. why not?!

its not nice being leered at

Sorry but women have a curvaceous body to attract men - that's what the whole point of it is - of course we look, it's part of our genetic make up. Ok staring might be a bit much but you can't blame us for looking. It works the other way as well - women stare at us and come out with similar crude comments.

yeh i agree, its nice to be glanced at, but i find that blokes stand in groups all staring and discussing you which is really ****ty, usually when theyve had a few drinks. can make women feel very uncomfortable.

Women do exactly the same thing - in fact when there's a group of drunk women they can be 10 times worse than men. I don't mind it but some of the comments are funny as hell.

lol yeh i admit that. women are worse when drunk as theyll be really loud and stuff and basically jump on ya but atleast you know where you stand with women!

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yea i agree - groups of drunken women can be scarey as f**k

Originally posted by crazey
Sorry ladies, your going to hate me, But when your a bit down and you get a beep from a car or a glance etc from a guy or group of then does it not give you a bit of a self confidence and think 'yeah I've still got it'? Sorry but I know it does me! Not so nice when lads talk to your chest all night but us ladies do it all the same, especially when a group of girls get together, especially when on the pi*s we are dangerous! We eye up guys as much as they do us. Think any women that says they don't appreciate a good looking bloke needs there eyes testing. It's only right that women and men gawp at each other, it's human instinct!


I agree - having a guy beep or whistle at you is a great confidence boost!!!

Originally posted by mimicraze
lol yeh i admit that. women are worse when drunk as theyll be really loud and stuff and basically jump on ya but atleast you know where you stand with women!

So let me get this right - it's ok for women to do it but not men? Sounds fair. Look at it this way, at least when they are looking at you they aren't calling you ugly etc. - at the end of the day it's a compliment even if it isn't done in the nicest way.

can't wait for the warm weather to kick in so the ladies uncover a little more,it makes driving around a bit more bearable

oh for gods sake. what as the other post again--what do pervs look like?? well i havent met you but you sure seem to qualify

Originally posted by fnkysknky
So let me get this right - it's ok for women to do it but not men? Sounds fair.
The difference is, men don't give a s***.

Well there's that and also men tend to enjoy it and take it as a compliment.

Yep. I'll never understand how their minds work...

you think it's perverted to enjoy seeing women dressed to show off more in warm weather.

Perverted means abnormal sexual behaviour. If you can find a man (straight) that doesn't like looking at a nice pair of legs and thus appreciates some warm weather coming around, then they are the pervert.

I think you're missing the point. Of course men won't be as bothered because they won't feel intimidated in the same way a woman would. Think about it. If a woman is walking alone, day or night these days, and a man or group of men start mouthing off perving at her, she is going to feel very intimidated - they might try it on with her, or worse... Put a man in the same position and I don't quite feel the level of intimidation is the same. Loud mouthed, pervy men don't consider the womans feelings though - they just want to look 'big' infront of their mates. They are also probably single....

wasn't the question about looking though, not staring, not shouting obsene comments etc...

From some of the responses it seems that some women apparently don't even like to be glanced at...

That wasn't the question though t020. On top of that don't for one minute think that sexual abuse is only a problem for women...

Something I just read ...

"Women are vain. They want attention. If you encounter a woman who tells you otherwise, she's lying. You see proof of their vanity every day. Look at the cosmetics industry. Women will spend hours fixing up their hair and putting on makeup. Why? To look attractive. Why do they want to look nice? They are vain. Women want attention from men."

... and it seemed appropriate here.

Of course women like to be noticed ... but there are many subtleties and ways a woman can be noticed ...

Originally posted by fnkysknky
That wasn't the question though t020. On top of that don't for one minute think that sexual abuse is only a problem for women...


Its all related though. On the subject of it not only being a problem for women, consider how you'd feel walking home alone one night and suddenly you hear a group of leather clad, homosexual beefcakes leering at you and telling you to "get your arse out for the lads". Think about that next time you're leering at a woman who is minding her own business walking home.

t020 you're assuming things again - excatly where did I say I leer at women on their way home?

As for groups of gay men leering at me - I've had that too - I was in a gay bar at the time though with some gay friends.

I didn't mean you in particular. Also, if you were with friends, you weren't alone. My point is that what might seem a bit of harmless fun from the male perspective, playing "the lad" to impress mates, etc, from the female perspective might not be much fun, especially when alone. People have no right to intimidate others and make them fear for their safety.

But the question is "Do you like being looked at", not "do you like being harrassed". As I said originally, if women don't want men to notice their bodys they shouldn't dress in revealing clothes.

As for the quote that Jamie came up with, that's dangerously generalised if you ask me. Not every woman spends hours putting on make-up. Many, yes, but not all.

some women are vain and like being looked at, some want attentions. im nto vain and i dont like being looked at in that way. im not lying either. I also work in the cosmetics industry, women dont put make up on look good for men or to get atterntion for men, thats utter bullsh*t! I put makeup on so that i have confidence, so that i dont feel sh*t about myself, and alot of women do wear makeup for attention from men and to be sexy, but cosmetics arent all about makeup. That last thing i want is attraction from men, especially the kind that to20 is talking about and the ones that stare in the pub.

Originally posted by Sidla
As for the quote that Jamie came up with, that's dangerously generalised if you ask me. Not every woman spends hours putting on make-up. Many, yes, but not all.

But Sidla ... I would never say anything dangerouly gereralised ... lol.

OK OK ... it was a bit ... but how many women put make-up on !? ... surely they do it to look good ... because looking good makes them feel good ... and why shouldn't it !? ... it's not a crime.

I personally think most women love to be noticed by guys ... just so long as it's the 'right' way ... with friendly and warm eye contact ... not gawping at their bits and no eye contact.

OOOHHH I have started quite a debate for my 1st thread!. Not many poll results though!

Sorry to disappoint you lot, but a common theory suggests that women make themselves look nice for the benefit of other women-folk.

It's a sort of: 'look at me, don't you wish you looked the same?' type of thing at worst, but also a way of fishing for compliments from their best friends.

I support this theory to a point, but to be honest: surely they must be going to all that trouble to impress men. Mustn't they?

Well lets hope so.

Anyway, they can all carry on for me. it's an absolute pleasure to witness.

Originally posted by kittykat
is any woman of normal intelligence likely to find that man any more appealing if they make a pervy comment? No they arent. In fact they are likely to suddenly change their opinion of said man from normal bloke getting on with his job, to pervy, sad, pathetic bloke in need of a slap. Any normal woman will then immedietely leave the direct area in which the man stands - she may have been planning to stay, but you have just given her no choice but to leave.

Well done. I hope youre very proud of yourself. Except when they go clubbing or to bars, in which case said 'pervy' comment becomes a 'cheeky' or 'rude' one but one that intrigues women. Whereas the man who tries to talk to her like a human being (like me ;) ) gets **** on and freaks her out: 'Why is he TALKING TO ME??? Why hasn't he hit on me yet??? HELP! Leave me alone!'

Tut tut...

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Originally posted by Sam Miguel
It is my firm belief, and always has been that neither sex should wear anything revealing or remotely 'sexy', but should walk around in black bin-bags ( ladies would be entitled to two, or even three in extreme circumstances) hence extinctyfying threads like this.

You know it makes sense.


What about everyone going naked Sam? that would obviate the need for girls to lift up your black bin bag, to see what you have underneath!:banana: :banana: :banana:

Hmm...

Ok... turnabout here...

How many guys here like it when a woman stands there, points at his crotch and laughs? Not many I'll wager.. How about if one gave it an appreciative look and winked?.. or, heaven forbid, stood and stared with their gob hanging open...

Some guys couldn't give a hoot, some guys would go ape, others would blush and run off... W

Bottom line the whole topic has one HUGE breadth of coverage from anything such as smarmy leering to the quick once over...

The comments are taking whichever extreme they consider appropriate and there's plenty of oars in the water to see what reaction can be had... :rolleyes:


At the end of the day, though there's been what 2, maybe 3 female points of view and whole slew of blokes digging themselves rather large holes to hide in :)...

We done yet :loopy:

if i was being looked at by someone like Raul Gonzalez (Real Madrid & Spain) then my answer would be 'yes', of course.

I'd just like to give t020 some respect here... a whole series of well thought out, unbaised posts!! Well done mate, I agree with all of your points!!

I believe there's a whole world of difference between looking and appreciating, and leering. I don't think anyone would mind someone they find attractive eyeing them up, but beeping a horn, or shouting about it is not polite, fair or clever.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
I'd just like to give t020 some respect here... a whole series of well thought out, unbaised posts!! Well done mate, I agree with all of your points!!

I believe there's a whole world of difference between looking and appreciating, and leering. I don't think anyone would mind someone they find attractive eyeing them up, but beeping a horn, or shouting about it is not polite, fair or clever.

Agree with Dan on all points, even agreeing with T020 :D

Originally posted by ZEDEX48K
I would like an honest opinion from you lovley ladies out there.

To all the girls that wear low-cut revealing tops with cleavage, the question is.... do you mind us lads looking in that direction?

Some women seem to like it where others dont. I dont want the answer 'we dress how we want' as I have heard that before. Also I understand and appreciate that it is not nice for you ladies to have us look there when we are in 1 to 1 conversation.

However do you honestly like the attention from the lads.....????

I don't wear low cut tops as a rule but I have to say that getting an admiring glance from a guy is very nice, especially as I am nearly sixty. And no, I don't dress like a tart to make them look,
I look after myself that's all. So, all you young things out there who thinks it's sad that man notices you. Wait until you are the other side of fifty and then tell us again what you think.

Of course women like to be noticed ... but there are many subtleties and ways a woman can be noticed ...


Does an appreciative look mean a bloke only half-fancies you or fancies you like mad? Also, what stops them telling you they fancy you if they really do fancy you?:huh:

Originally posted by Blootiger
Of course women like to be noticed ... but there are many subtleties and ways a woman can be noticed ...


*ALL* women? But of a generalisation isn't it? The poll would suggest otherwise too - 42% don't.

Originally posted by Blootiger
Also, what stops them telling you they fancy you if they really do fancy you?:huh:

You just can't do that !!! ... you have to be way more subtle ... if a guy just said "I fancy you" ... she would think him a freak !!

Originally posted by Blootiger
Does an appreciative look mean a bloke only half-fancies you or fancies you like mad? Also, what stops them telling you they fancy you if they really do fancy you?:huh:
Anyone else seen Mel Gibson in "what women really want"...

What's said and what's mean't... 2 TOTALLY different things... so true.. :)

It's all down to the individual isn't it... :)

Originally posted by Martin_s
What's said and what's mean't... 2 TOTALLY different things... so true.. :)



Only for stupid, manipulative people. If I say something, I mean it. I don't see the sense in playing games with people like that.


Susie, honest to a fault :P

Originally posted by Blootiger
Also, what stops them telling you they fancy you if they really do fancy you?:huh:

you try it

I suppose that depends on whether you've known this girl prior to telling her you like her, but if it's one of those chance meetings, I can well understand the potential embarrasement impulsiveness could cause...

Surely it's even harder if you know the girl in question?

But I guess that's another can of worms...