View Full Version : Is this Legal?? (woodseats police)
garryh69 13-03-2006, 14:51 During my travels today am i was driving up towards woodseats from sheffield when a police car with the blues and two's on speeding up behind me driving a little erratically, when i got to the trafic lights which were on red there was an elderly lady (who obviously didn't hear or see the police car) nearly got wrote of at the junction! i then proceded through the lights (which had now turned green) behind the said police car which came to a stop outside the police station and reversed into the police carpark and got out alone!!!
was he late for his mid morning tea break?
surly this is illegal.
what are your thoughts????
I was driving down City Road once and at the junction with Wulfric road a traffic cop put it's blues and two's on then as soon as it was on City road they were off again.
Have to say that if i was a cop then i would do the same thing its a perk of the job:hihi: .Although nearly mowing down a old dear is a bit bad though.
ask yourself this...
"what can i do about it?"
its crap i know, but what can we do about it. they are the law.
mbunting 13-03-2006, 15:04 I would have thought not.
Interestingly, early this morning, there was an Astra that came belting up the Unstone, to the Dronfield roundabout ( lights flashing ), wen't back down the Unstone to Whit Moor, and came back around that heading back up to the top again.
Only one person in the car, and it was 'only' an astra, and they were doing about 90-100 when they passed me.
What can I do about it?
Report it to the chief constable, the press and the IPCC. Preferably after having taken a photo (whilst stationary) on your mobile and again of the car parked at the station.
No it's not legal, the police should only ever break driving laws when responding to an emergency and the same for using sirens and lights.
ValleyBoy 13-03-2006, 15:41 He could have been told it was no longer a emergency,simple really.
lizelard 13-03-2006, 15:53 Law unto themselves
It sounds as though the City Road one was a case of them getting a stop order on a call so they switched the lights off and carried on as normal . teh orhter one sounds iffy
They often turn the lights and horn off so as not to alert the criminals that they are going to catch... simple eh? ;)
Internetowl 13-03-2006, 16:07 Woodseats nick is full of crims ;)
cgksheff 13-03-2006, 16:20 They often turn the lights and horn off so as not to alert the criminals that they are going to catch...
It's usually the opposite round our way, when they respond to a call. They put the sirens on just before the street in question so they crims have time to get out of the house and scarper! :rolleyes:
Zinger549 13-03-2006, 16:40 I saw a cop car speed down leytonstone high road once it pulled it to McDonalds whent through the drive through got some grub then turned the ligtsh and siren off and continued driving
Look at a policeman ,think chief Wiggan of the Simpsons(now you have it )
it does happen,i was passed bya couple of police riot type vans a dog van and a police car,they turned up to scotland street nick,turned of the lights and sirens and began walking into the station,when i asked a sargeant why they had come through west bar in such a rush i was politely told to fuxx off
another time i told a police driver his brake lights were not working, he said he would report it when he got back to the station, i told him it was a traffic offence,again,fuxx off
another on upperthorpe used to call for sandwhiches each day,he would park the police car on double yellow lines and go into the shop,when i told him about it he said its truly amazing what you can get away with if you wear a police uniform.
several plain cars were parked outside west bar police station on double yellow lines,i asked a traffic warden what he was going to do about it,his reply, "dont talk wet" it would seem that the police are a law unto themselves,but im glad we have them
nuf_said 13-03-2006, 19:31 My dad told me about a police car with lights and sirens cutting through the traffic (not in Sheffield) and turned in to the police hostel (living quarters). Presumably late for his tea. Er that's alright then?
The police do practice high speed driving and this used to be early morning to avoid traffic and reduce risks. There would always be a police instructor and at least one 'student' in the car. The single occupant of the astra probably had just got his beat car and was showing off. Either that or he couldn't find the route to the emergency call!
A colleague was parked on double yellow lines outside a paper shop early morning, a police car pulls up behind and they threatened colleague / parking fines etc. He drove off and saw same police go into shop for their papers and fags etc. So that's alright then!
bigflesh 13-03-2006, 19:44 let this not be a we hate police thread - lets try and keep things balanced
it does happen,i was passed bya couple of police riot type vans a dog van and a police car,they turned up to scotland street nick,turned of the lights and sirens and began walking into the station,when i asked a sargeant why they had come through west bar in such a rush i was politely told to fuxx off
another time i told a police driver his brake lights were not working, he said he would report it when he got back to the station, i told him it was a traffic offence,again,fuxx off
another on upperthorpe used to call for sandwhiches each day,he would park the police car on double yellow lines and go into the shop,when i told him about it he said its truly amazing what you can get away with if you wear a police uniform.
several plain cars were parked outside west bar police station on double yellow lines,i asked a traffic warden what he was going to do about it,his reply, "dont talk wet" it would seem that the police are a law unto themselves,but im glad we have them
You need to get another hobby
let this not be a we hate police thread - lets try and keep things balanced
Were not talking Dixon of Dock Green these days, let the truth be known. Remember those animals in uniform who were caught on CCTV a few years back beating up takeaway staff with their batons during an altercation resulting from being told to get to the back of the queue? The Brains squad didn't realise the benefits of CCTV.
Pingpang 13-03-2006, 20:48 going onto parkway yesterday with a mate, just under the limit, rozzer's car with no lights or sirens comes shredding up the inside lane, overtook us and disappeared into the distance doing loads more than the limit
teks t'p
why should we stick to the rules if the people who are supposed to uphold them can't even set a decent example?
i think a little read of the road traffic act is in order here ,
all exemptions for emergency vehicles are where NOT claiming the exemption "would hinder the purpose of use "
Terrorist 13-03-2006, 23:03 The copper is a phenomenon, unto himself. He is a paranoiac. He is a megalomaniac. He can be a sadist. He can be vicious and cruel. He can be nice and sweet, especially if he wants something. He can break the laws that he pretends to be enforcing, with impunity. He is very sensitive to being called names, and tends to react the only way he knows how. He is armed to the teeth, with clubs, chemicals, gases, firearms and the most frightening weapon of all, righteous indignation. He tends to be stupid, and uneducated, and very aware of his shortcomings, although he doesn't appreciate people's comments on them. He travels in packs or gangs, and feels a certain degree of security when he is with his own kind. His word is taken without question in all courts and he relies on this.
When unarmed and confronted by a police officer, you must take all of these factors into consideration before deciding what course of action you intend to follow. Most individual confrontations between police and individuals take place in the street. If you are black, Asian or white with Baseball cap and tracksuit, you can expect this. Cops have the legal right to stop and frisk any person in suspicious circumstances. Suspicious circumstances are solely the coppers interpretation. He can always bust you for something like disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct and then throw in a resisting-arrest charge.
I can fully appreciate the fury and anger that a person can feel when put through a humiliating experience by a cop, but I would recommend strongly that a person maintain his cool and in no circumstances lose his temper. If you lose your temper you are playing right into the coppers hands.
The copper will probably ask you a bunch of questions: Name? Address? What you are doing? Where are you going? Etc. I would suggest that you answer all his questions, although. In no circumstances should you answer any questions about drugs truthfully (unless you have none and have never used them). By refusing to answer questions you will antagonize the cop and probably get yourself busted for loitering or refusing to obey a policeman's orders. Be polite and concise, but do not give any information that is not asked for, and in no circumstances use anyone else’s name. It is a good idea to refer to the copper as "officer" since it helps his ego and enhances your chances of staying out of jail.
Coppers may go further than just harassment. They may actually assault you. In these circumstances, you still have no legal right to defend yourself. In these conditions stay calm, if possible. Do not attempt to defend yourself other that to cover your head and or groin. If you see an opportunity to grab a nearby weapon and are reasonably sure that you can be successful then defend yourself but never forget that the cop has weapons and he has used them, and will use them.
When confronted on the street by the police, a common emotion for a person is to feel is fear. There is nothing wrong with this. In fact, it’s quite healthy, but do not show it to the cop. If the cop realizes you are afraid of him he will take full advantage of this situation and play on your fear. This doesn’t mean you can act belligerently and for gods sake do not be a high school teacher or college lawyer and explain to the cop what he can and cannot do, he can do anything he's got the weapons.
Extracted from a very funny book available legally from all good books shops, but in the current political climate I feel rather uneasy about being in possession of.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
i think a little read othe raod traffic act is in order here , all exemptions for emergency vehicles are where not claiming the exemption 2"would hinder the purpose of use "
I think a re-read and edit is in order here :D
scottishdude 14-03-2006, 08:46 On the funny side, I got pulled last year for a failed brake light on Wordsworth. There was a male and female officer in the car and I was asked to sit in their car while they checked my paperwork. I got in front seat, ( don't like sitting in back ) so she got in back. When we had done he said, as I got out "Would you mind letting my colleague out of the back". We all had a good laugh about it. :cool:
You need to get another hobby
the laws the law,and thats what its all about,how can people be expected to uphold the law when its seen to be abused by the police themselves ?
AlquarUK 14-03-2006, 12:17 How do you know there wasn't an emergency at the station?
or that the call had been cancelled?
Dark Moomin 14-03-2006, 13:11 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The Police Authority, the Government, Police Complaints Authority, Internal Professional Standards departments, Local Councils, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, the Home Office....
I see the points being made, but can we please try not to tar all officers with the same brush? Any position of power will always attract a minority of people who will abuse that position. But I wouldn't try to second guess every reason behind slightly erratic or irrational appearing behaviour, we do not know what else has being happening at that time.
Here, here Dark Moomin.
Nuff said.:thumbsup:
The_Bear 14-03-2006, 18:52 During my travels today am i was driving up towards woodseats from sheffield when a police car with the blues and two's on speeding up behind me driving a little erratically, when i got to the trafic lights which were on red there was an elderly lady (who obviously didn't hear or see the police car) nearly got wrote of at the junction! i then proceded through the lights (which had now turned green) behind the said police car which came to a stop outside the police station and reversed into the police carpark and got out alone!!!
was he late for his mid morning tea break?
surly this is illegal.
what are your thoughts????
What if he was attending the police station because it was an RV point prior to proceeding to an emergency (i.e to get a vital briefing before going to a firearms job)?
Or what if there was a violent person kicking off at the reception counter? If your mother was at that counter at the same time to report something then Im sure you'd want the police to get there quick. After all, we keep asking for more bobbys on the beat, so we cant expect them to all be sat in the station.
I often see police cars put their sirens on when in traffic, then switch them off. What if they have suddenly been cancelled from responding to the job they were going to. What do you expect them to do, leave the sirens on?
We're always quick to moan about things whilst not in posession of the full facts.
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