Has anyone else noticed the growing amount of chavs in Sheffield?It started off with a few and they seem to be breeding at an alarming rate.Everywhere you go now there is all these pikey lookalikes stare at you like **** because you dont have your trousers tucked in your (white)socks.

It's about time we had cull on all these ratboys

Definition of a chav for those who don't know :

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

Originally posted by uncleheed
Has anyone else noticed the growing amount of chavs in Sheffield?It started off with a few and they seem to be breeding at an alarming rate.Everywhere you go now there is all these pikey lookalikes stare at you like **** because you dont have your trousers tucked in your (white)socks.

Time to go live in the country then.

But don't they have an equivalent type of moron in the country called 'the village idiot'?

some of you may find it amusing to laugh at the growing chavvie culture but this is just the tip of the iceberg.All these ratboys are taking over the city and no-one seems to be doing anything about it.

They think it is "a laugh"to hang around local shops drinking special brew,(the only 'special'thing about it is a can has never been drunk indoors)and smoking their strange smelling cigarettes,intimidating anyone who dares go near them.When they have had enough booze they then decide to go and get themselves a car and see how fast they go in 1st gear.

So carry on taking the p**s,but mark my words,the (never been) working classes are taking over the streets,and everyone else can go to hell.

Its the chavs themselves we're laughing at, but you are right, they are becoming a bit of an inconvenience, and in some cases a threat.

have sat here for the last half hour reading that chav web site in tears laughing.

You have got to worry though. Go somewhere like S5 and there they are, and in huge numbers too.

Last month the police where putting stickers on untaxed cars around town. I drove up one chav street in chavsville or Parson cross,as it used to be called, and counted no less than 26 orange stickers in a one hour period.

It worrys me that there are more of them than of us and this can only mean that this country is on the way down.

God help us all.

Yep hj, this is the next generation of parents. I think this is what they call biological warfare. (caused by a VERY shallow gene pool here in S5 I think)

Even my three lads aged 16, 14 and 12 laugh their heads off whenever they see them.

At least their competition for good jobs is thinning out a bit.

When Im working in S5 you can always spot the true chav by the gem stone globe they got off bid-up.tv or from Ingomelds market.

The other chav basics are the big tv from " pay as you view"

Those godforsaken mobile phones that they use to text all day long, untill the credit has ran out, then they just play the ringtones.

And the unused George Forman grill in the kitchen.

The houses are mostly minging as well. My other half didnt belive me how bad they where untill I got a camera phone and took some pictures at work.

I keep taking them when I find a good one and one day might have to put them all on the net.

They all got the same face as well. Imagine having to describe one of them to the police.

There's one around here wearing glasses. Looks like Millhouse off the Simpsons. Poor sod!!!!!

You can always spot a true Chav in Sheffield they almost always wear either a Burberry or White Baseball Cap and carry two or three stones or a housebrick to throw at a bus that maybe is unfortunate enough to intrude on their patch come along.

Im a bus driver,a chavs idea of a day out,is to get on the 41 service sit upstairs at either the back or front(which is their preference as not seen on camera)then ride into town and depart at where they got on!!

Originally posted by hj dary

Go somewhere like S5 and there they are, and in huge numbers too.

Its not just S5,its a counrty wide problem,parts of Chesterfield are crawling with them.
Claycross for example,every corner has them as well as their women with home made tattoos (cool? dont think so).

I would take great caution in taking photos in peoples houses without their consent,this may have some privacy issues.
These people are quite well up on the law,due to their many visits to the local police stations,and numerous episodes of Judge Judy.

Chavs are a product of our materialistic society.

Burberry was worn at the races and other such high society activities and it therefore became a statement of wealth and was adopted by poor people who are trying to be "rich" because they don't understand what the true meaning of "rich" is. A rich man is not a man who drives a BMW, but one who has inner peace and has found a purpose in life.

The reality is that people will always desire material objects because they say something about how "successful" they are, and that appears to be what is important these days according to the media spin.

Poor people eek out an un-enlightened existence chasing material objects as a replacement for what is essentially a lack of freedom. Everyone wants what they cannot afford, and the middle classes in this country create the chav culture. Chavs don't know any different because they most often do not get access to a quality education be it in terms of a life or academia. They turn to crime/drink/drugs to facilitate what they cannot obtain through working due to a lack of opportunity and application.

Although I can enjoy a audible titter at the chav, the problem is one that will only go away when we achieve a greater level of equality in this country. I don't see this happening soon because its something that the common man doesn't want to tackle. He/She wants to continue leading the sheltered life where societies problems should be dealt with by someone else.

Looking down on anyone only further increases the divide and will create more of a problem for our children.

We're all inmates of society, the only difference is that our cells are twice as big and lined with leather. We should be helping each other be free.

Anyway.... gotta run, i'm off the get the BM from the garage 8-).

"Forsake your desires and you too can be free"

Fabulously insightful post. A pity, however, that you spelt 'eke' as 'eek'.

I consider that quite an achievement based on the fact that I am an alien 8-)

I think I understand most of what you are saying here city_dweller, but I definitely do not agree with some of it.

Us humans are individuals, and as such we are all responsible for our own destiny. To say that we are all responsible for each other, and for each other’s failings is in my eyes wrong. Maybe the problem is that some of these people, the Chav culture in particular, are willing to blame society for their failings because they haven’t got the guts to stand up and say “I have made myself what I am today.”

You pointed out, quite rightly, that a rich man doesn’t need material things, just inner peace. The trouble is that a lot of these Chavs have both. Secure family backgrounds AND money to buy and run their cars.

I personally do not feel responsible for the failings in society. I am proud to say that in spite of having a low paid job, living in a council house and having 3 teenage sons of the Chav age MY bit of society is wonderful. Having brought up these three kids to respect others, respect property, do as they are asked and behave at school I feel my part in society is going pretty well. It is not up to me now to start taking the responsibility for OTHER people’s kids, nor the failings of their parents who probably have more material things than me, and probably the same opportunities.

If I was one of the rich elite laughing at these people then you could possibly say I am guilty of looking down on them. However, I for one am not. In fact, I am looking UP to most of them and laughing.

When they start helping themselves a bit, then maybe more people in our society, including me will offer a bit of extra help.

Originally posted by markham


When they start helping themselves a bit, then maybe more people in our society, including me will offer a bit of extra help.

I think in order to help themselves and except reponsibility for what they are would take a degree of self conciousness and morality which I don't personally think that they have.

Asking them to help themselves will not solve the problem as they are largely incapable. I feel that this would be purely another reason for the collective to ignore the problem.

I get from your posting a degree of self satisfaction from what you have achieved with your own children, and rightly so I might add. I expect this is largely due to your own level of social awareness and good parenting. It appears that you think that parents of other children at your sons school are underachieving. As you know, there is no handbook for being a good pearent.

Consider and accept the possibility that you are inherently more able, and a more rounded person than some of your sons peers parents. The chav role model is one of aggression, broken homes, teenage parents, drugs and yob culture. How can we expect our youth to thrive in this environment? - and therefore possibly break the cycle of chavs breeding more chavs.

Let us not laugh at anyone upwards, downwards, or sideways. Then we will have equality. If everyone who were capable were to apply themselves to understanding, sharing and educating rather than excluding we would have a better world. The government throw taxpayers money at schemes to assist the demise of Chav culture but if the general public excludes them and looks down, all efforts will be nullified because the gap between the social classes will be further divided and the anamosity between the groups will increase.

I'm not trying to make myself out to be a socialist hero, but I think if we all took a more liberal and understanding approach, and looked at the reasons why people are the way they are we could all live a slightly more comfortable existance.

I was on west street and a chav said the following :

<chav> Oy you, you we're looking at my mate, you wanna {swear word} smack.

I diffused the situation and took the guy for a drink and explained why behaving this was was only decreasing the quality of his own life. We had a good chat, I spoke to him about various problems he had in his life and we discussed how he could take some positive action to make his life better.

Now, I might go into town next week and see the same guy doing the same thing to someone else, but at least I shared some of my understanding with him, and maybe, just maybe I sorted out a chav.

Thanks for positive response city_dweller.

However, isn't it possible that the Chav 'listened' to you simply because you had bought him a drink? You know, perpetuating the old "What's in it for me", attitude. Just a thought.

All my energy, and my wife's, is tied up in giving MY kids the best upbringing possible. I am afraid that any spare energy or time we may find is reserved for them alone. That also goes for the rest of my family, including inlaws. Not one of their kids of working age is unemployed, nor have they criminal records, nor are any of their kids of school age out of the top streams at school. This is a large slice of the teen population of Sheffield/Rotherham, so I must be forgiven for appearing big headed when I say that MY family, all of them, have done quite a bit for society as a whole. We have contributed a hell of a lot by hard work and self discipline so have no sympathy for the people who can't even control the one kid in their family.

Just to finish off if I may. My kids aren't like they are now because I begged them to be or they wouldn't get a reward. They're like they are because if they misbehaved they got punished. What a hypocrite I would seem to them if I now turned round and told them that these Chavs were poor misunderstood folk who never had a chance in life. They've got a damn sight more freedom than my kids ever had. Perhaps too much, eh.

And I bet there are several millions of successful parents out there who think exactly as I do. Decent, unselfish people as well.

Anyhow, I've had my say city_dweller. Hope you understand my side of things.

Go to Laughton plenty of street scum out there!!

Originally posted by foxy27
Go to Laughton plenty of street scum out there!!


Now who's the one who thinks they're above others? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=97737#post97737)

He/she can come on slagging off S5 so why cant I slag them?

Originally posted by foxy27
He/she can come on slagging off S5 so why cant I slag them?


Because it smacks of double standards. On one thread you're criticising people for thinking they're above others, and on this thread you're referring to a group of people as "scum". Surely you can see the hypocrisy?

Im with Foxy on this one.
t020 you and your woolly jumpered friends can go jump in the sea as far as im concerned. Don't go critisising people's opinions just cos they live in an area thats been neglected and pushed aside due to money being spent in so-called nicer area's.
They may be nicer area's but clearly the people living there need to learn abit more respect for their fellow citizens.

Originally posted by Lestat
Im with Foxy on this one.
t020 you and your woolly jumpered friends can go jump in the sea as far as im concerned. Don't go critisising people's opinions just cos they live in an area thats been neglected and pushed aside due to money being spent in so-called nicer area's.
They may be nicer area's but clearly the people living there need to learn abit more respect for their fellow citizens.


I think you're completely missing my point. My point is this: on one thread, foxy27 is criticising people from certain parts of the city for "looking down" on people from other parts of the city. In this thread, he is himself looking down on people by referring to them as "scum". All I'm doing is identifying this hypocrisy - nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry chaps, but shouldn't this be on the NORTH/SOUTH debate thread?

We're in danger of getting this thread pulled at this rate.

Don't want all my hard work and ramblings to go to waste now do we.

Cheers:thumbsup:

Originally posted by city_dweller

I was on west street and a chav said the following :
<chav> Oy you, you we're looking at my mate, you wanna {swear word} smack.
I diffused the situation and took the guy for a drink and explained why behaving this was was only decreasing the quality of his own life. We had a good chat, I spoke to him about various problems he had in his life and we discussed how he could take some positive action to make his life better.

Now, I might go into town next week and see the same guy doing the same thing to someone else, but at least I shared some of my understanding with him, and maybe, just maybe I sorted out a chav.

Patronising, moi? :)

Originally posted by Lestat
Don't go critisising people's opinions just cos they live in an area thats been neglected and pushed aside due to money being spent in so-called nicer area's.
They may be nicer area's but clearly the people living there need to learn abit more respect for their fellow citizens.

Lestat, isn't the point that people can be equally decent or w*nkerish, no matter where they live?

And, I know this has been raised on other threads, but the S10/S11 type areas really don't get more money spent on them than so-called deprived areas. In fact, with government funding like New Deal for Communities (which operates in Burngreave) and is worth £50m over (I think 10 yrs), and Housing Market Renewal funding (which is targeted mainly at North and East Sheffield, as well as other socially disadvantaged areas in SY), which is worth over £70m over next two years, there is a good argument to say that some of the "neglected" areas aren't neglected at all.

Originally posted by Blissy
there is a good argument to say that some of the "neglected" areas aren't neglected at all.


They're not, its just that there are more residents liable to vandalise anything in sight. If people from the more deprived areas took more pride in their area rather than vandalising things, maybe their areas wouldn't look as if they are neglected (even though they receive more council funding than the affluent areas due to a policy of over-compensation). I'm not saying that *all* people in deprived areas are vandals though, so please don't take it that way, but if you think a grass verge needs cutting or some litter needs moving, why not do it yourself and take some pride in your area? Set up neighbourhood watch schemes to try to combat the vandals that destroy any efforts by the council to regenerate the area. Work together to make your area a nicer place. Don't blame the council.

I don't know if there's a way to drag this back on to the north/south sheffield thing, so apologies for that. But, what I should have mentioned in my last post is that whilst the socially disadvantaged areas are generally getting more money than the more affluent areas now, one of the reasons that this is needed is that for ages the Council didn't have enough money to invest in council houses etc.

As many of the socially disadvantaged areas have a large proportion of council housing, this lack of investment (which, by the way, was not because money was being invested in the south, but just because the council was strapped!) had a large negative impact on the areas in question, so they need extra money to help get them up and running again.

Also, when heavy industry started to go down the plug hole, it had more of an effect in some of the areas with a large percentage of council housing/cheaper, privately-owned housing, as thousands of people in these areas lost their jobs, which added to problems of social deprivation. So, these areas do now get more support, but the reasons behind this are not the simple "Labour looks after its own" that some people (generally in the more affluent areas...) may believe.

Originally posted by t020
They're not, its just that there are more residents liable to vandalise anything in sight. If people from the more deprived areas took more pride in their area rather than vandalising things, maybe their areas wouldn't look as if they are neglected (even though they receive more council funding than the affluent areas due to a policy of over-compensation). I'm not saying that *all* people in deprived areas are vandals though, so please don't take it that way, but if you think a grass verge needs cutting or some litter needs moving, why not do it yourself and take some pride in your area? Set up neighbourhood watch schemes to try to combat the vandals that destroy any efforts by the council to regenerate the area. Work together to make your area a nicer place. Don't blame the council.
why dont you just say you are a snob and be done with it:loopy:

What did he say that was even remotely snobby, panda?


Susie, who isn't a "chav"

Originally posted by panda79
why dont you just say you are a snob and be done with it:loopy:

Hmm, what was it in that post that you found snobby?

Originally posted by city_dweller

I was on west street and a chav said the following :

<chav> Oy you, you we're looking at my mate, you wanna {swear word} smack.

I diffused the situation and took the guy for a drink and explained why behaving this was was only decreasing the quality of his own life. We had a good chat, I spoke to him about various problems he had in his life and we discussed how he could take some positive action to make his life better.



i tried a similar approach a couple of years ago. I was in the process of getting 'kicked off on' by a couple of scallies for nothing more than walking home and minding my own business. I decided to keep calm and offer the guy a cigarette. I then got bottled! Don't think I'll try that approach in the future.

don't have any chavs in Devon. we do have Chuds though, which are people from Chudleigh (twinned with Royston Vasey) who all look a bit like Mickey from League Of Gentlemen.

Anyways i've noticed that the sheffield chavs are still a bit behind fashion wise. Just wait till the chav girls start wearing tracksuits that look like pyjamas in really minging pastal colours. Chav boys will also start wearing really disgusting sky blue and light grey tracksuits. Chav/scallie fashion just goes from bad to worse!

Haven't laughed so much in ages. This has to be the funniest thread ever. :D

Originally posted by Andy78
Just wait till the chav girls start wearing tracksuits that look like pyjamas in really minging pastal colours.

Haha, people at my work wear those things! God I hate it all so much.

Originally posted by uncleheed
Has anyone else noticed the growing amount of chavs in Sheffield?It started off with a few and they seem to be breeding at an alarming rate.Everywhere you go now there is all these pikey lookalikes stare at you like **** because you dont have your trousers tucked in your (white)socks.

It's about time we had cull on all these ratboys

i thought all ppl from sheffield were chavs???:confused:

you dress like it anyways!

That's exactly right! everyone from sheffield is a chav! I'm a hybrid chav/scallie being scouse and living in sheff. Just like everyone in wales wears sheeps wool. ;)

Originally posted by Andy78
That's exactly right! everyone from sheffield is a chav! I'm a hybrid chav/scallie being scouse and living in sheff. Just like everyone in wales wears sheeps wool. ;)

The only reason we wear sheeps wool is to camouflage us when we are trying to catch sheep to chag them

As good old Black Adder says so rightly: 'Wales is a terrible place, Tall, sinewy men roam the valleys scaring people with their close-harmony singing! never ask for directions in Wales, you'll be washing spit out of your hair for weeks!'

The term term chava orginates from newcastle (were im from orginally) and I have to say the chavas in newcastle are of a much higher breed than sheffield.

Not only do you get the; tracksuits, burbery, fake Louis Vuitton clothing/bags, bleached/stripey hair, bad perm, mountains of bling adorning their body, huge trainers, lots of make-up, as many ear piercings as they can fit in their ears, a tub of hairgel placed on top of their heads and of course a baby! But in Newcastle you get the added advantage of an attitude problem. Imnot saying Sheffield chavas dont excel in this within some areas but in Newcastle their brilliant and highly entertaining!

Also a chava will never think their a chava they will will always think someone is more of a charva than they are.

If you are still clueless over what is a chava search "blazin squad" on the internet.

Personally I call Sheffield chavas townies as I like to reserve chava for those special people (!) at home.

Originally posted by fittdiva
i thought all ppl from sheffield were chavs???:confused:

you dress like it anyways!


Thats good comming from a welsh inbread.

IMO there should be anti-chav laws, any chav spotted in the city should be given a 20 pound fine and instructed to "de-chav".

and I always thought these chavs were just pikey-crossbreeds?

ALL areas have probs with druggies and the like NOT just the north of the city....and Wales!!

"IMO there should be anti-chav laws, any chav spotted in the city should be given a 20 pound fine and instructed to "de-chav"."




they would be rolling in cash if they start at the market end of town..maybee the council could use the extra cash ... hehe

We have just found where it all come from.
You know how people say you naver see a baby pidgeon or where do baby spiders live, well we found last night where all the baby chav's come from.

We took the kids skating and went to the Silver blades, on Queens road. B****r me, what a laugh.

As far as the eye could see it was burbury caps and young kids smoking and swearing.

If you have a hour spare on a night have a ride down there, its pure entertainment.:P

Dear all, thanks for broadening my education and it's so funny too!
As to elements of the old North/South thing. Bad behaviour and laughable clothing are just more prevelant in some areas than others.. it is city wide thing.
Last year I was walking my dog near Wire Mill Dam and heard some loud splashes and an animated racket from a moorhen, as I came out of trees there were 4 people who I now realise were Chavs (thanks to the Forum) standing at the edge of the Dam. My impression was that they had been chucking bricks at a moorhen's nest.
I decided to sit on a bench and take a rest with my soft-hearted dog (who fortunately looked like a wolf.) The youths slouched off after two or three minutes, climbed into their red Chavmobile and roared off on the back road to Dore.
Anyone got any stories about Dore? There were a lot of complaints about prototype Chavs up there a few years ago.

Chav headquarters is mcdonalds

Its like THE GROUCHO CLUB for people in inflamable sportswear.

THE MOOR is chavtastik.....

Theres more gold there than in a BID UP TV warehouse.....

I bet ARGOS have never had it so good!

LOL

Originally posted by kung fu grip
Chav headquarters is mcdonalds

Its like THE GROUCHO CLUB for people in inflamable sportswear.
ROFLOL I almost wet myself when I read that :hihi:

It seems any girl in a Corsa needs to wear a baseball cap AND pull the pony tail through at the back. I think they actually want to look like V.Beckham. Also noticed an upmarket version of Chavbird who seems to be a student, same as above but driving brand new Clios, Uberchav I think Ill call it.

See how you would proceed if you encountered a chav.

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/nedagotchi/glaSurvivalGame.html

(dunno if its been posted before but its funny)

You know without wishing to sound too radical couldn't we just shoot them?

All of them?

The World would be a better place.

How cool can you look in your mothers old CORSA with alloys on...........Only Chavs will tell.

McDONALDS is like a MASONIC LODGE for chavs!!!!

SIX NUGGETS and a RINGTONE anyone???

They hatch all the plans there........Which place to stand outside of...

How loud to have your car stereo......


COMING TO A PLACE NEAR YOU SOON.....

Threads merged.

Originally posted by hj dary
We took the kids skating and went to the Silver blades, on Queens road. B****r me, what a laugh.
As far as the eye could see it was burbury caps and young kids smoking and swearing.
If you have a hour spare on a night have a ride down there, its pure entertainment.:P
I know of those you speak when I finish a shift at work I have to go home with those muppets, not by choice you understand, sometimes I long for my own personal tram! :thumbsup:

At last Im catching up with all this street slang and terminology (Im soooo down with the kids :roll: )

Although disturbingly I have a male chav taste in films... not female (that smaltzy rubbish, I think not)
'Romeo must die' starring Aaliyah and Jet Li and DMX. Any mention however of the Romeo and Juliet style plot will of course be ignored.
Quite enjoyed that :| but the sub-plot wasnt lost on me
other favourite genres would include horror and sci-fi.
Oh dear... quite like that too :? and I even like "the science bit" :wink:
There is no hope for me, best get the burberry and the sovereign rings out
:D

This takes the biscuit, the sandwiches, the whole damn picnic!!!!

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/images/april2004/april020.jpg

wonder if its got the blue washer lights and the neon underneath as well! :D

there was one in the hospital today! said he had broke his arm, but as the receptionist pointed out, to his dislike, that he wouldnt be able to lean on the counter and swing it about like he was if he had. if i was her i would have told him to bugger off and get some education in how to dress. he was wearing a set of jeans lower than his arse that wernt even baggy so it didnt work and a NY cap pointing towards the roof and a badanner on under that! pillock!

he came in about 1hr after me ( i had a hurting knee which turned out to be torn liagments) and they let him have an x-ray before me!!

disgracefull!!

Originally posted by Mosherchik
This takes the biscuit, the sandwiches, the whole damn picnic!!!!

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/images/april2004/april020.jpg

wonder if its got the blue washer lights and the neon underneath as well! :D

i find that quite cool actually! and im one of u mosh!

sounds words from the city dweller...

we create a materialistic culture where only those with the cash and posessions has any kind of status in western society; and then we wonder why those that can't afford it suffer from disaffection. We ALL subscribe to materialism just at different ends of the scale. Poor people have always been demonised, and lets face it, chavs are an easy target.

But before we laugh too hard at their 'uniform' of baseball caps, white trainers and rip off sportswear - lets take a more uncomfortable look closer to home.....

what about the 'trendy hairdressers' - evisu jeans, fancy pointy shoes and bleached spikey mullets or the hoardes of 'crasher kids that used to pack out town in their furry boots, fridge magnet tops and 'oh so kerrrazy' blue twisted hair things.

We all wear a uniform of sorts ...

its all relative my friend ;)

Originally posted by Fletch
and a badanner on under that!

Is a badanner a distant relative of the banana?
Sounds painful!

[i]what about the 'trendy hairdressers' - evisu jeans, fancy pointy shoes and bleached spikey mullets or the hoardes of 'crasher kids that used to pack out town in their furry boots, fridge magnet tops and 'oh so kerrrazy' blue twisted hair things.

[/B]

I laugh at those as well?

Originally posted by Mo
Haven't laughed so much in ages. This has to be the funniest thread ever. :D

Yes I agree, the chavscum sight is spot on, as a secondary school teacher i mix with chavs all day long

Originally posted by ladybee
[B]...what about the 'trendy hairdressers' - evisu jeans, fancy pointy shoes and bleached spikey mullets...]

These are the new breed...I can cope with your everyday run of the mill townie kappa slapper, but these lot? they SCARE me. They always have jeans tucked into those godawful wrinkly suede boots or pointy ones with metal heels, and they wear a lot of Miss Sixty...yeuch theres loads of em at 6th form, some of them nice girls, but mostly b****es.
The male equivalent wears graffiti t-shirts and a designer scarf ALL YEAR ROUND and expensive Diesel jeans. He will wear those strange trainers with toe dividers or shoes that resemble caving and abseiling shoes.
Both sexes have their hair cut into ever more a-symmetrical and adventurous styles, involving highlights, lowlights, 'panels' of colour (a concept recently introduced to me by one of said girls), retro mullets and tapered razor-cut jagged fringes....all on one head.

These are the ones to be afraid of. Do not succumb to the cult of 'ruched' boots!!!

Forget the British Chavs! you should see the Indian version . . Far more hilarious. If you've ever seen the hero in a Bollywood film - Thats him!

George Michael 80's haircut ( Princess Di style )
Tightest shirt ever with top button done up,
Jeans with tight ass & plant pot turn ups - at least 6 inch,
Trainers with tongues like spaniels ears,
a mobile phone glued to the ear.

I saw one the other day and decided to call him Chavinder.

http://www.chavscum.co.uk/name.html

I decided to have one of each - Chardonnay Whitney and Kevin Storm.

:thumbsup:

Brooklyn and Romeo.

Woops!!! That's already been done.

How about Kylie Jordan and Owen Gerrard?

Brooklyn and Romeo.

Like it ;)

Pick any of these (real names from real people, honest):

Lala (ie Teletubbies)

Sheffield (yes really! maybe an attempt at recreating the whole Brooklyn conception thing? maybe they should have been more specific and called it 'Bus Stop')

Champagne

Alexis/Alexa

Ferrari

Saturday

Billie-Mo

Sherri-Lee

Porsche

Fiesta

Most of these are from my old school or my friends' past experiences. Sheffield lives somewhere in the Parson Cross area...

How about creating new ones,

Spectrum-Sinclair

Vic-20

Max-Beta

Hinari

Lex-Mark

Tipo-Regatta

Crazy George

Nectar-Points

It's gonna have to be Elvis Storm (boy) or Charity Maxine (girl). Not classy enough - need more insiration.

:D

Here's mine ...........

Girl .......... Chantelle Sabrina

Boy .......... Storm Brooklyn


Yeukkkk!!

Seriously though, I know a someone who called their daughter Labyrinth!

Originally posted by noseyrosie
maybe they should have been more specific and called it 'Bus Stop')

:D Congratulations, you win my post of the month award for that one :thumbsup:


Originally posted by noseyrosie
Most of these are from my old school or my friends' past experiences. Sheffield lives somewhere in the Parson Cross area...

Why doesn't that choice of location suprise me... :roll:

Apparently my son's name would be, Brooklyn Garry Allen! WTF?! And my daughter's name would be Janine Kylie Allen, eh?!

Heh! I stuck my name in (Thomas Moon) clicked "I wanna little Girl!" and got JODIE CHRISTINA MOON. Then I tried clicking it again and got UNDEFINED NADINE MOON.

UNDEFINED... luvly int it? u'know wat i mean? at' end oft' day not mingin at all, yea?


As for guys, I get TYSON GARY MOON all the time. Classy.



Oh, and I personally know a girl called "SUMMERTHYME RAINBOW" (Rainbow being the family name).

I will be having a Brooklyn Brandon and his little sister will be Janine Mercedes! How nice!

lol
Shakira Candice
Kyle Gary

Originally posted by Moonolt

Oh, and I personally know a girl called "SUMMERTHYME RAINBOW" (Rainbow being the family name).

That sounds more like the parents are old hippies though, rather than Townie shlags.

Originally posted by Abdul
:D Congratulations, you win my post of the month award for that one :thumbsup:

Wow! Oh my god I wasn't expecting this!

I'd like to thank my mom, dad and, most of all God.

So do I get a big trophy?

Originally posted by noseyrosie
That sounds more like the parents are old hippies though, rather than Townie shlags. Yup, you're not far from the truth. They live at Ambleside (the village at the top of Lake Windermere) and there aren't exactly many Townie shlags there...

I love Ambleside, our friend's got a house there...Did you know that Sheffield and Ambleside are the only places in the country with a 'Jester's'? (The shop on the corner of Ecclesall Road. Amazing isn't it? ;)

Chav is a word that is bandied around a lot at the moment but what are it's origins!
does it apply to Scrotes, Critters, Divvies,Baseball hat wearers who ride sooters without helmets or what?

I thoguht it meant "pikey", just the "Northern" expression for it!

chavscum (http://www.chavscum.co.uk) should explain it all.

Originally posted by amhudson119
I thoguht it meant "pikey", just the "Northern" expression for it!

On the contrary.... the word actually has Southern origins.

Hilarious Site!

Just had a proper look through it.

Originally posted by t020
On the contrary.... the word actually has Southern origins.

Yes, I can see why you say that - because there is a link to a website about the folk of Chatham! Chatham, Kent.

These are interesting too:

http://www.craptowns.com/html/frontsection/craptowns/30_5/england.htm Crap Towns
Just noticed my town is on there ;). At least we're not as bad as Thamesemad - ironically it's not nominated! (Click Erith, and you'll find out about my town)! I live the Northumberland Heath end, but we're still "Erith, Kent".
Chatham, Kent is mentioned in there too... there was a link from the Chav site to antother site about Chatham.

www.theidler.co.uk - Purely hilarious!

If you look up chav in the dictionary, you'll see burberry check.

Thought it stood for cheap and vulger,makes sense to me:thumbsup:

Have you ever popped to the shops minding your own business, taking in the scenary etc... only to be stopped by a lambert and butler stinking chav asking if you would go and get them booze or fags from the local shop? They even try to tempt me with a £1 tip... PAH!

I had it happen to me once, and I pretended to be deaf! after he had almost bust a gut trying to get me to hear I just said quietly "theres no need to shout" the look on his face was priceless.

If that happens to me, beggars included, I just reply "No Thank you" That seems to make them shut up

No, I don't get that - knowing our local shop t would serve the underage, Benson and Heges stinking fools anyway!

On a couple of occasions I've seen a young woman buying booze for the local vandals.

I feel like getting hold of her and saying, it's ok buying them booze but it wont be your property they'll be vandalising tonight, it'll be mine, you stupid bleep!!!

I am trying to get her reg number but I don't know if the police would do anything? Anyone know?

Police do anything? give me a break.

When I walk to the boozer on a Friday night there are always around 20-30 of this sub-breed milling around the offy. Clearly most of them are under age, swigging on Special Brew which I assume they've just bought or been bought. Swearing, spitting, littering, fighting, hassling passers by.. pick your offence. I can see them, you can see them.. the shops are on the main road into town (Birley Moor Road) so the police don't have the inconvenience of having to go onto an estate or anything nasty like that.. why can't the police see them?

Makes my blood boil it does!

Yep bin asked before outside Netto on the manor, these obviously 13 year old lasses dressed up like how they think 18 year olds look asking me to get them booze!

Im sorry but if Im getting booze then Im getting it for myself plus the fact I still get ID'd in shops and Im nearly 21 ffs!!!!

I used to get it when I worked at Spar, the little kids who could hardly see over the counter asking for fags! Yep mate come back in a few years time and maybe then I'll give you some

At the risk of sounding like an old codger I would never have dared to ask random passers by to buy me stuff I have much too respect for my elders :wink: the youth (sorry yoof) of today is beyond belief and scarily enough they are our future! :shock:

I work in our local shop at the weekend and I'm always getting little boys and girls coming in asking for fags.

One is so persistant, he must have memory loss because every week for the past 6 months or so he's been getting refused because he doesn't have ID. Sometimes when I'm really angry I could swing for him, he drives me bonkers.

I had a right cocky one last week. When I asked him if he had ID he said no, I don't need it I'm 17. Well obviously I had to serve him then because he'd told me he was 17!!!! Why on earth didn't I think of just asking them their age??? Silly me. :D

The ones that swear at you when you refuse them are so funny. I often feel like saying come on love wipe your eyes, don't cry.

Steelbabe you dont have to serve someone just on their word if YOU personally dont think they look 17 you can demand ID or they dont get served.

Originally posted by fuzbuz
Steelbabe you dont have to serve someone just on their word if YOU personally dont think they look 17 you can demand ID or they dont get served.

think he/she was being sarcastic :)

I was being sarcastic :)

I'm thankful with the type of pub that I have that we don't get underage drinkers hanging outside trying it on. No chavs at the CRB!

Heh Wavey... You wrote

'When I walk to the boozer on a Friday night there are always around 20-30 of this sub-breed milling around the offy. Clearly most of them are under age, swigging on Special Brew which I assume they've just bought or been bought. Swearing, spitting, littering, fighting, hassling passers by.. pick your offence. I can see them, you can see them.. the shops are on the main road into town (Birley Moor Road) so the police don't have the inconvenience of having to go onto an estate or anything nasty like that.. why can't the police see them?'

Its these shops that made me start this thread! Its stupid when you have to prepare yourself with some witty lines to say no to them as no doesnt seem good enough anymore... Can a man not get his beer in peace??? Pah!

Originally posted by Mosherchik
Im sorry but if Im getting booze then Im getting it for myself plus the fact I still get ID'd in shops and Im nearly 21 ffs!!!!


:lol:

Im 18 and I never get asked for ID hardly ever (shops or pubs)

The trick is to buy bizarre0 belgian beers (which I only drink anyway lol)

LOL small world eh?

I reckon next time one of the little gits asks me I'll take the money and buy something for myself or spend it on chocolate for them and say I misheard.

My missus goes mad at me for being like Victor Meldrew when it comes to Chavs, it takes all my effort not to say something to em when they've done nowt LOL

I've had the pleasure of being asked by chavs to get them some fags and booze. This wasn't in Sheffield I hasten to add. When I refused they promptly offered to redecorate my car which I'd just got out of parked outside the shop. On that note I decided to leave and try the next shop.

I hear this is popular with the youths.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/fsanytime/ned_for_speed2.jpg

you should have redecorated their faces.. its the only way

What on earth does Chav mean/stand for ?

did you see Traffic Cops (or whatever it's called) on BBC last night? Most of the scuzzbuckets pulled up on there are what you'd call a Chav.

i know what a Chav is, i just dont know how the word 'Chav' came about?
is it an abreviation for something?

i guess there will be a post in here somewhere explaining it all.
sory for my lazyness

http://www.quinion.com/words/topicalwords/tw-cha2.htm

"The press in Britain has recently been having fun mocking a group for which pejorative descriptions have been created such as 'non-educated delinquents' and 'the burgeoning peasant underclass'. The subjects of these derogatory descriptions are said to be set apart by ignorance, fecklessness, mindless violence and bad taste."...etc. etc.

Google is your friend. :rolleyes:

This is not specific to Sheffield, so don't post it in General Sheffield Chat. Also if you had searched before you posted you might have stumbled across this:

What Is The Meaning Of Chav!
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12611&highlight=chav

Closing this thread.

Originally posted by amhudson119
Chatham, Kent is mentioned in there too... there was a link from the Chav site to antother site about Chatham.

so it's said chav as in 'ch'urch
rather than chav as in 'sh'ell ???

i'm from the south innit :D

i'd never heard of until i started using this forum

Originally posted by Bedhead
so it's said chav as in 'ch'urch
rather than chav as in 'sh'ell ???

i'm from the south innit :D

i'd never heard of until i started using this forum

It's pronounced "Ch" asa in "Church". '

Where abouts in the South are you from "Bedhead"?

Alex

Originally posted by amhudson119
It's pronounced "Ch" asa in "Church". '

Where abouts in the South are you from "Bedhead"?

Alex

i'm from Torquay fella :thumbsup:

we call them townies
or i quite often refer to them as muppets :D

Did anyone see those three chavs on the front page of tonights (30/6) star. Makes you glad to be alive, i hate having to teach this sort of lowlife.

Originally posted by Herbert
Did anyone see those three chavs on the front page of tonights (30/6) star. Makes you glad to be alive, i hate having to teach this sort of lowlife.
only chavs read the star, anything else is a bit of a strain on the old cerebellum

I saw them in the star and on the buses walking the streets they are the scum of the earth they have not got any manners what so ever ,they could do with a bit of national service to smarten them up

I just saw it. Bloody kids. Air rifles, racist abuse...

Originally posted by dollydaydream
I saw them in the star and on the buses walking the streets they are the scum of the earth they have not got any manners what so ever ,they could do with a bit of national service to smarten them up

Bad idea, then the idiots know how to use GUNS! Can you imagine a world where every Chav had been taught to kill? Then again perhaps they would lower thier own gene pool and wipe eachother out. maybe the mouth breathers won't be out breeding the rest of use 2 to 1.

:thumbsup:

Wilf

Originally posted by BrainThrust
Bad idea, then the idiots know how to use GUNS! Can you imagine a world where every Chav had been taught to kill? Then again perhaps they would lower thier own gene pool and wipe eachother out. maybe the mouth breathers won't be out breeding the rest of use 2 to 1.

:thumbsup:

Wilf

"Chav Fighter 2: the half breeds" ...

yes i know who this family are.
they lived at lower shiregreen first then moved to ecclesfield.
as there was originaly 6 kids in a two bedroomed house.
i cant say anything bad about the mother ,as when they were younger she kept them in touch.
but things must have got out of hand.
no one ever saw the father indian chap i think.

The ever increasing number of chavs is the natural progression of the Human species.

Evolution does not care for social classes - just the survival of the species. Chavs breed quickly and succesfully. Hence they are successful in terms of nature.

Likewise, professional respectable people are reproducing less and less, and will eventually disappear, as the Chav completely populate the earth.

Evolution, in all it's Special Brew drinking glory.


This thread's gonna get locked.

Perhaps that explains the demise of the dinosaurs? They evolved into dinochavs which ended up roaming the prehistoric plains of earth eating each other which also explains why no fossils have been found.

Apologies to the creationists out there.

Dinosaurs were hugely succesful.
It took world catastrophe to wipe them out.

Until that happens again, chavs will continue to dominate.

Just like the dinosaurs.

I'll start planning a world catastrophe straight away - maybe self immoliating fake burberry baseball caps?

Originally posted by tara
...no one ever saw the father indian chap i think.

Weren't the lads all white though? Or am I thinking of some different Chavs on the front page of Star??

Strange no chavs have replied to this thread. Maybe its the 15 letters minimum posting that puts them off

Originally posted by Agent Dan
Originally posted by tara
...no one ever saw the father indian chap i think. Weren't the lads all white though? Or am I thinking of some different Chavs on the front page of Star??

I thought it odd too considering they were accused of racist abuse. The article in question is here:

The Star (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=814672)

Many years ago there was a 'pulp' science fiction story written called 'The Marching Morons' in which a pseudo-Chav from the 20th Century gets frozen and wakes up in a very Chav friendly future - fortunately, a few non-Chavs work out a cunning plan to get rid of the Chavs.... Not a great story - written in the 1930s and it shows - but obviously some things never change...

I'm just wondering, though....are Chavs what used to be called the 'undeserving poor'?

Joe

Although the kids are undoubtabley a menace. Dont you think its wrong for their faces to be plastered on the front of the Star? Two of them are only 13 and 14 years old!

Some of you may disagree, but shouldnt the parents and wider society take the blame for these kids turning to this sort of behaviour? Part of the solution isnt "shaming" them in the Star, its giving them education and looking into the reasons behind their Anti-Social Behaviour.:nod:

I totally blame the parents. I know some people will say some parents do all they can and their kids are still out of control but I think this is a very slim minority.

Most of the yobs causing trouble have parents who shirk all responsibility. Parents are 100% responsible for their childs actions, end of story.

If you are allowing your child out until 10-11pm on a school night then you are not doing your job properly. I see kids out on the street as late as midnight on school nights and I wonder where their parents are? Surely every responsible person knows that kids need sleep to function properly, to understand what they are being taught at school etc.....

I think curfews are a good idea. Although yes they are an invasion of human rights, society is showing us that parents just wont make sure their kids aren't out on the streets causing trouble. If the parents wont enforce it then the gov./police have to.

There is absolutly no justifiable reason for school age kids to be trawling the streets late at night.

When our bus stop/phone box/windows are smashed it is always done late at night. I bet if these kids were in their homes by say 8pm we wouldn't have as much of a problem as we have now.

Curfews are abviously not the only answer, I understand they wont be 100% effective but I do think they would be a great start.

Also parents should be forced to take responsiblity. It is time to get tough however much that worries people it is the only way.

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Absolutely, let's find out why their parents lacked the parenting skills to bring them up properly.

Let's look at society and how we have let any sense of community and connectedness fall away as we try and be politically correct and not say anything that may upset anyone.

Look at how Social Services and influential people in society have emphasised rights over responsibilities.

I was bought up on a Council Estate. The street I was on was on the edge of a rough area, but my parents bought me up to show respect, to behave and to obey the law. If I didn't, thick ear from my mum, removal of priveleges, grounding, whatever. I remember receiving a clipped ear on the odd occasion based on the fact that my mum was acting on 'information received' from neighbours who'd seen me being a bad 'un.

I spent several years as a school governor, ending up as Chair and also spent time in the classrooms. The kids who were a problem, on the whole, had parents that didn't give a toss and that when they were invited in to talk about the behaviour of their offspring either didn't come or were surly, or immediately started bleating about their 'rights'.

The kids didn't have much of a chance with that background; I was amazed that teachers managed to 'turn around' as many of the malcontents as they did.

<rant>
The old 'social contract' has collapsed in many respects, and in the resultant vacumn behaviours have taken root that will plague us for years to come. Whilst society needs to start giving opportunities and real lifestyle choices for all, it's also essential that citizens grow up, take some responsibility for their own and their children's behaviours and actually start working to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
</rant>

Their....rant over!

Joe

Bleedin hell to say they have ruined a good few lives for quite a while thats not much of a kerfew 10pm for the eldist. That was the kerfew time my mum and dad gave me and i wasnt an anti-social *****. I think 7pm would have being better!!!!

Isn't the oldest 14?? I don't understand how anyone thinks it's reasonable for a child not to be in bed before 10pm. I'm tired if I go to bed later than 10pm so surely a child who has to go to school in the morning and absorb an education MUST not be able to learn properly.

Originally posted by steelblade
I totally blame the parents. I know some people will say some parents do all they can and their kids are still out of control but I think this is a very slim minority.

Most of the yobs causing trouble have parents who shirk all responsibility. Parents are 100% responsible for their childs actions, end of story.

If you are allowing your child out until 10-11pm on a school night then you are not doing your job properly. I see kids out on the street as late as midnight on school nights and I wonder where their parents are? Surely every responsible person knows that kids need sleep to function properly, to understand what they are being taught at school etc.....

I think curfews are a good idea. Although yes they are an invasion of human rights, society is showing us that parents just wont make sure their kids aren't out on the streets causing trouble. If the parents wont enforce it then the gov./police have to.

There is absolutly no justifiable reason for school age kids to be trawling the streets late at night.

When our bus stop/phone box/windows are smashed it is always done late at night. I bet if these kids were in their homes by say 8pm we wouldn't have as much of a problem as we have now.

Curfews are abviously not the only answer, I understand they wont be 100% effective but I do think they would be a great start.

Also parents should be forced to take responsiblity. It is time to get tough however much that worries people it is the only way.

Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

But how does a parent enforce curfews when a chav kid won't listen to them?! :loopy:

And slapping an ASBO on persistant chavvy behaviour offenders doesn't make a difference IMHO.

If there's a bunch of scum
In your neighbourhood
Who you gonna call?
CHAVBUSTERS!

Wearing Burberry Caps
And they don't look good
Who you gonna call?
CHAVBUSTERS!

(OK I admit it I'm bored).

There must be various ways to make sure your child is in when you tell them to be.

I'm sure if you have shirked responsibility for most of their young lives then yes it's going to be hard but you've got to be tough.

People saying "oh it's too hard to control these kids" is just a cop out. Do whatever it takes to get them under control. If that means involving police, social servicse etc.. then so be it.

If we carry on being as weak as we are now then we are going to have one hell of a mess on our hands when these kids become adults and have kids of their own.

Originally posted by steelblade
If we carry on being as weak as we are now then we are going to have one hell of a mess on our hands when these kids become adults and have kids of their own.


They're already having kids of their own. In a period of about 25 years, it is possible for a further 3 generations of Chav to be introduced.

We have already lost. Think about it - they rule us.
We could be considerd their slaves, as we go out to work so they can live the life they do.

My money goes to the chav. I, along with all the other workers, pay for their existance.

We live at the mercy of them. If they want to steal from us, they do. If they want to set fire to a car, they do. We let them. We cant stop them.


As I say, they are a very successful race.
We don't stand a chance.

Know this won't go down well, but don't want to be accused of not wanting to upset anyone!
Originally posted by JoePritchard

Let's look at society and how we have let any sense of community and connectedness fall away as we try and be politically correct and not say anything that may upset anyone.

I have to disagree here. The loss of community and connectedness is the fruit of Thatchers Britain - where we were taught that respect for money is more important than the relationships with our families and neighbours.
I also find it interesting that the majority of posters are happy to slag off and criticise this section of Sheffield citizens and then bemoan their lack of respect for our middle-class sensitivities. See any connection there?
There is a significant section of our society that have been stripped of there self-worth, self-respect and expectations and hence don't feel any investment in our norms of acceptable behaviour. Villifying them will not change this.

Originally posted by Voise
Know this won't go down well, but don't want to be accused of not wanting to upset anyone!

I have to disagree here. The loss of community and connectedness is the fruit of Thatchers Britain - where we were taught that respect for money is more important than the relationships with our families and neighbours.
I also find it interesting that the majority of posters are happy to slag off and criticise this section of Sheffield citizens and then bemoan their lack of respect for our middle-class sensitivities. See any connection there?
There is a significant section of our society that have been stripped of there self-worth, self-respect and expectations and hence don't feel any investment in our norms of acceptable behaviour. Villifying them will not change this.

At the risk of having middle class sensibilities I think this is total cobblers.

There has ALWAYS been an underclass, and there always will be.

The difference is in how we deal with them. At one time there was a range of solutions - some not so nice. As we become more 'sophisticated' as a society we have to find new ways of dealing with the peasants. It used to be incarceration, hard labour, war and an early death through disease.

Parents derogate responsibilities to the 'authorities' and the blame culture rises. The same parental generation then bemoan ‘youngsters today’ without stopping to think that they bred and nurtured the little scumbags.

Personally, when they started vandalising around my house, I asked them nicely to desist. They didn't need a second invitation - I think they worked out it would be unkind to refuse my offer.

People should stand up for themselves and each other and not just blame anyone else.

Happy to have a debate about this.
Now I appreciate that there is a problem of ASB that will not be solved by just befriending the local gangs, and if it is happening around your community, action is obviously a priority.
I also agree that responsibility needs to be taken for these problems - but by the whole of society as to why this is happening. Alienating the 'problem' section of the community may provide the moral majority with some immediate satisfaction but is not a long-term solution to structural problems in society.
We blame the parents, the parents blame the teachers, the teachers blame the kids - where does the blame culture begin?

Originally posted by Voise
where does the blame culture begin?

The blame starts and ends entirely with the parents.

poor parenting - poor educational acheivment - poor diet - lack of posative role models - poor housing - early parenthood - it all seems to be one big repeating cycle with little chance of escape. We either need to fundamentaly change our society to alleviate poverty of mind and body; or put contraception in the drinking water.

...or a controlled humane cull.

Where's Charles Bronson when you need him?

Originally posted by Voise
Happy to have a debate about this.
Now I appreciate that there is a problem of ASB that will not be solved by just befriending the local gangs, and if it is happening around your community, action is obviously a priority.
I also agree that responsibility needs to be taken for these problems - but by the whole of society as to why this is happening. Alienating the 'problem' section of the community may provide the moral majority with some immediate satisfaction but is not a long-term solution to structural problems in society.
We blame the parents, the parents blame the teachers, the teachers blame the kids - where does the blame culture begin?

I do not wish to alientate the 'problem' section of my community.

I lived and worked as an adult through the Thatcher years and contributed a lot of my free time to local schools as a governor, unpaid nursery assistant and occasional teacher's assistant. Despite her efforts, many people DID keep society, community and connectedness alive.

I felt it important to contribute to society, despite what the Government of the day said. I'm aware that the kids that broke in to my car, took pot-shots at local cats with air-rifles and other miscellaneous acts of stupidity ARE a minority that are causing problems for the majority. Not just middle class - funnily enough, most of the people who really suffer are the elderley and poorer members of society in the area around where these delinquents live.

By befriending local gangs you are validating their behaviour. The envelope of acceptable behaviour has been shifted towards what many view as unacceptable.

I'm not seeking immediate satisfaction - what I'm looking for is a return to a certain degree of agreement as to what constitutes acceptable behaviour in the society in which I vote, pay taxes, work and contribute to the local community.

I WILL blame people who persist in behaving badly and I will also blame those who don't do anything to stop the behaviour. The behaviours we're talking about are not just affronts to genteel sensibilities - when someone shoots a pet cat, goes TWOCing, vandalises local facilities - that affects ALL of the local community.

I don't give a toss about whether people wear Burberry, smoke Lambert and Butler or hang around outside Offies asking me to buy them booze. I DO object to these people reducing my quality of life.

There are a number of youth projects in this city. There are more things to do with your time and more employment opportunities than there were in the 1980s. There seems to be more disposable income that can be used for entertainment - so I'm not entirely sure why we should tolerate certain people behaving anti-socially.

Joe

Originally posted by Tony

There has ALWAYS been an underclass, and there always will be.



*dons fake beard and develops faint german accent

So long as the few own the means of production for themselves and need only purchase labour from the many, then yes, you are right.

*removes beard

Your underclass comment (above),is stated as an axiomatic truth.

I think that 'truth' depends on rigidly defined terms which you neglect to include, or reveals a disinterest in human suffering that can only be indulged in from one side of a fence; life on the other side is too precarious to be idly discussed on a bulletin board as we are doing.

I don't necessarily disagree with you though, I just feel it is a very defeatist statement, and want you to qualify it :)

so no cull then?

Well Phan, I think it's the realisation that society is based on no more than natural world structures.. and yes, that includes survival of the fittest.

Joe
my post was in no way a personal attack, just trying to stimulate debate.
I just don't think that calling 'chavs' scum will solve the problem. How can we rebuild a sense of community in the troubled areas? - how can we teach youngsters to respect others and property rather than sniff glue? how DO we convince kids that it is worth staying in school? How are we going to engage with these kids so that we can agree "what constitutes acceptable behaviour"?
People are entitled to be angry about anti-social behaviour, but how can we change that culture? locking them up is only a short-term solution.
As you rightly say, just accepting the behaviour is not a solution. However, my opinion is that things will only get better if the people who feel rejected and alienated are brought into and supported by the community rather than further excluded. That way they can learn how to interact, respect others etc
I work with excluded school children on the Manor. Believe me, their perceived opportunities are not great or improving. However, given the right sort of environment and support they can develop the positive life skills we would like all of society to exhibit.

Hi Voise,

No personal attack assumed or taken! Good to debate the issues!

With regard to calling folks scum, well, a lot of people say it how they see it. :-)

I know the theories about treating people with respect and they'll show it back, and I've witnessed it sometimes, but I've also witnessed the flip-side, where treating someone with consideration and respect is viewed by some of the Neanderthals out there as weakness.

I'd say that places like Connexions in town seem to be doing a lot to try and place people in training or work. Several parts of Sheffield are designated as areas that warrant support from regeneration funds from UK and EU sources, and there are lots of groups taking advantage of them.

Finding work is no longer easy for any of us, and it's important for people to realise that their identity and sense of worth can't be always expected to come from their job anymore - it has to be developed in other ways. What used to be called 'character'.

Take any community, and there are many people in that community who manage, against all odds, to live in a law-abiding and civilised way. There are also those who take the other approach of exploiting their fellows. I've worked with both - the challenge is to create the opportunities, develop character and encourage people to take the path that develops themselves, their abilities, their character and their community. And should people decide that they don't want to take that approach but would rather exploit, well, they have to take the consequences of what is left of community and society.

Joe

Originally posted by nickyc
poor parenting - poor educational acheivment - poor diet - lack of posative role models - poor housing - early parenthood - it all seems to be one big repeating cycle with little chance of escape. We either need to fundamentaly change our society to alleviate poverty of mind and body; or put contraception in the drinking water.
Ok the bolded words equate to my up bringing partially.
Allow me to expand a little as I be as fair as possible.

Poor Educational Achievment - I went to a state school ok, I ended up leaving with no GCSE's above D level. OK it's a pass but barely. Why? My mum? No... School? Maybe a little but mostly down to me. Didn't revise for exams so I f***** up.

Poor Diet - Not for the lack of trying by my mother (single parent by the way - 2 kids), but I just got in the easy food as much as possible. Chips, crisps, chocolate etc. Mums fault... no... I ate some to keep her happy but then junk food when I wanted.

Poor Housing - This is the bit that's a dodgy ground. The house I was brought up in wasn't poor but it was council. The house inside was/is nice and I never wanted for anything (most of the time). However it was still council and not all the houses were like mine.

Now my mum was a single mother. My older brother being 9 yrs older than me and a little tearaway in his teenage yrs. However nothing mum couldn't handle. Dad left when I was about 8ish?
Mum worked as a singer in the evenings. To get enough money to keep house running smooth, clothes on our backs and food in our gobs. Didn't always get everything we wanted, but most of the time she worked damned hard to get it for us.

Mum wasn't overly strict but kept us in line. Smacks, maybe a punch or two (not condoning just giving an incite). The punches ok only happened from being about 14 and bigger than mum, and severly answering back (swearing maybe). If she punched me, I knew I was doing something VERY wrong. However the majority of the time she didn't need to as we were brought up with respect for our elders and neighbours.

Mum is 4ft 11 3/4 ;) and by the time I was 15 I was touching 6ft and my brother was 6ft. So for a little woman to keep us in line was very good. She did her best, loved us to bits, and kept us safe. Brought us up proper. My poor schooling was really down to my own lack of application.

Result - I've never been a chav. I still have respect for my elders and neighbours. I respect people in society and generally have a strong social outlook. I run my own home business as well as a full time day job and until recently holding down a weekend job as a doorman (just quit cos I needed some me n the missus time ;) )

What does that tell you? I have my own house, car, money. So it's not all down to poor educational results or housing.
I'm from a council estate and have turned out A-OK as most of my mates have. That was the generation we were from... now days...society is too soft.

I totally blame parents for unruly kids. OK they may be poor and that may be a factor. However bad behaviour (which they know it is bad too) is a choice. They choose to mug, burgel, arson, vandal and generally be social paracites. It's about time some strict and harsh measures were set in place to deal with these people.

I don't care what European Human right laws exist... they need teaching that enough is enough. Which ever government brought in SERIOUS measures to tackle this problem head on. Heavy handed policing (FFS give em some real power), boot camps, young offenders institutes from younger ages and prosection for parents too, that government would certainly get my vote!!!

Grrrrrrrr Rant Over!

Originally posted by Tony
Well Phan, I think it's the realisation that society is based on no more than natural world structures.. and yes, that includes survival of the fittest.

Not being a social Darwinist myself, would you care to elaborate on which 'societies' you are refering to, and in addition which 'natural world structures' you are refering to, and also how do you define 'fittest'.

Sorry, I know you only wrote one sentence but I would appreciate a definition of your terms, as you understand them.


Thanks in advance
Nomme

Indeed there has always been a "peasant underclass" in Britain. As far back as the 11th Century......and possibly before that....
In those days there were TWO classes, Landowners (royalty or close friends of) and PEASANTS(workers)......nothing else.....


Has the situation changed now?

Originally posted by snowboarder
Indeed there has always been a "peasant underclass" in Britain. As far back as the 11th Century......and possibly before that....
In those days there were TWO classes, Landowners (royalty or close friends of) and PEASANTS(workers)......nothing else.....


Has the situation changed now?

Erm... just a little.

Originally posted by nomme
Not being a social Darwinist myself, would you care to elaborate on which 'societies' you are refering to, and in addition which 'natural world structures' you are refering to, and also how do you define 'fittest'.

Sorry, I know you only wrote one sentence but I would appreciate a definition of your terms, as you understand them.


Thanks in advance
Nomme

I've always thought that survival of the fittest was tautology at any rate, since the inferred fitness is the 'scientific' term for fulfilling the conditions required to perpetuate survival.

Survival of the best survivors, as it were.

What has never been explained to me, about the Social Darwinist model is how crucial factors like death and procreation are tranposed onto the social model. Or do climactic social changes actually wipe out whole populations.

Well, if you look at something as straighforward as a war, I would call a massive invasionary force a "Social Climactic Change" under almost any circumstances.

This results in the mass death of civilians who were clearly not fit to survive (unarmed noncombatants) in the rapidly changing environment.

However, I think that Social Darwinism is actually a hollow invention aping (intended) the great scientific theory in the hope of some reflected credibility.

i.e its a load of cobblers. Darwin never mentioned it.

here's one to keep you amused and who knows some might like to buy something from them..lol the second one down the page looks to be a winner. http://www.boyracersigns.co.uk/sunvisors.htm

A couple of months ago,I started a thread on here about chavs.

I warned everyone then that they are breeding at a rate faster than rabbits,and before much longer,they will out number the rest of us.
I too was brought much in the same way as DaBouncer,(the only difference being,my dad was about).Same sort of GCSE results,council house,brother 12 years older,and i turnes out okay.Steady job,wife 2 kids,own house,car.It just goes to prove,that it is society today that has caused this problem.
People have realised that you can sit on your fat arse all day watching Trisha,while the workers of this country will pay for your fags,booze,dope.They hav ealso worked out that if you start to breed more of your ilk,you can get even MORE money.

In the past when you walked down the street,one of the most common smells you got was second hand cigarette smoke.Now all you can smell is canabis.These people have no shame.In my job as a bus driver,in the last week,I have had to eject 2 people in separate incidents to leave the bus because they had 'skinned up'on the bus.How these people afford to drink special brew,smoke 20+ a day,and buy dope is beyond me.As I said I have a job,and my wife works,we have money for ourselves,but there is no way we could afford to drink 12 hours a day smoke like chimneys and feed a drug habit.

These people are taking over the country,and at this rate,in 50 years time there is every chance they could be in government.I have one piece of advice for everyone with any pride and dignity.









GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY,NOW

Many a true word Uncleheed

I'm like you and D'Bouncer too.. scruffy council estate, had nowt, wanted for nowt.. me and ALL my mates have turned out alright, to a man.

It's a social problem that's getting out of hand.. way out of hand

I called my daughter Madeleine

I think if I was a Chav I'd have kids called 'ar Ikea and 'ar Fabreze

here are a couple i found apt for a chav name

Nick Carr
Rob Banks

;)

However, I think that Social Darwinism is actually a hollow invention aping (intended) the great scientific theory in the hope of some reflected credibility.

In fairness, Darwin never actually explained how the mechanisms of evolution would work, not being aware of what a gene was. All subsequent researchers have begun from his ideas, and elaborated on them. Several closely related ideas (social darwinism, sociobiology) try to solve the 'survival of the fittest' tautology. But I'm not sure how this is relevant to the chav question. I don't think they are subject to evolutionary pressures that are any different to anyone else. They just have some different cultural traits, like a tendency towards anti-social behaviour

Yesterday's Sheffield Star I think, had a feature on a "young lady" who'd named her newborn baby "Rooney", after the star England footballer. Can't get much better than that, methinks!!! :thumbsup:

mmmm
alliyah jolene o'malley
so glad im not a chav!

Ha Ha mine was
Girl- Candice Keely
Boy- Keanu Gary

My boyfriends was
girl- Crystal Candice
boy- Brooklyn Storm


so because i love all the names so much ill think we will have all 4 LOL!!!!

i found another chav site www.scallyscum.co.uk
dont kno if its any good but worth a look at!!!!

Originally posted by uncleheed
People have realised that you can sit on your fat arse all day watching Trisha


I just know all the League Of Gentlemen fans out there read that sentence slightly differently to how it was written.

/hijack

Couldn't someone just bomb the urban music festival taking place at the end of July at Don Valley to provide a short term eradication of this menace?

A Ha
so the cull idea begins to take shape eh?

As Kenny Everett once said, "Round them up, put them in a field and bomb the b******s!"

Seriously, July 31st might be a nice day to go into town and do some shopping whilst avoiding Don Valley like the plague.

Originally posted by oxbeast
I don't think they are subject to evolutionary pressures that are any different to anyone else. They just have some different cultural traits, like a tendency towards anti-social behaviour

To be perfectly serious for a brief moment, I would say that chavdom is actually more of a matter of memetics than genetics.

the selfish meme anyone?

Who was joking?

Here's my names
Jamie Burbury for the lads christian names
Corsa Britney for the lass

Meet mine: Jake Gary and Shakira Tracey!!


Alex

Your all just snobs

You can go on about evolution and Darwin untill the cows come home.
The problem arises from the lack of one thing in every one of these scum bags and their *******(don't edit,it's used in its proper context)offspring.



RESPECT

Anyone who has ever looked at the true poverty in America may be able to see where we are heading. It is a side effect of a divided society, one divided by money and by race.

The larger the divide there is between rich and poor, the more crime there is. While people are paying £150,000 for a two bedroom terraced house, and others are paying £150 for their car, there is going to be trouble.

We are creating a ghetto society, and more and more people are being to forced to live in these areas, people who would normally be well behaved, educated people.... how will their children turn out?

Its fine to moan about the middle-class and political correctness, but it is right-wing views, and a capitalist government that cause these problems. While people (rightly) feel that their tax money is being wasted on such people, the problems will only get worse if less money is given over to such problems.

What do we think these people will do without our help, decide to be better people and go out and get good jobs (what jobs?) and buy a nice house?? Or will they just fall into a deeper life of crime?

At least ASBO's are having an effect, and giving out a message to people that they have to behave like civilised human beings... you know, the kind that are nice and well mannered and bomb other peoples countries killing their children.

Hmm, i think my surname broke it.

Lindsay Charity Mitchell-Greenbaum-Watson-James

and

Shane Storm Mitchell-Greenbaum-Watson-James

Wilf

Many hard up people have to try and find 150,000 for a house in places like Leeds, and trust me, 150,000 would not buy me an equivalent house to our 3 bedroom twon house here in Walkley.

The astonishing thing is in the UK that many people who would be called 'the underclass' have a fair amount of disposable income courtesy of credit, benefits and other forms of 'off balance sheet' assistance with their finances. The money can be put to work to leverage their opportunities in life - e.g. pay for training - or it can be put to those crucial items of life like designer labels, up to the minute phones, booze, dope and ciggies. If folks want them, great! But don't whine about no opportunities when you choose to spend your time and money in pursuing 24/7 pleasure.

Whether people like to believe it or not, the difference in opportunity between 'underclass' and 'middle class' males is present but not as massive as some would believe. What makes teh difference is individual application - whether that's a capitalist notion or not I don't know.

Many people have posted on here from 'underclass' backgrounds (myself included) and we've got ourselves into a reasonable life. Mainly because we chose to do certain things at certain points in our lives. Or our parents made sacrifices. Or we or our partners made sacrifices for our own kids.

Joe

Alisha Britney - girl

Jordan Brooklyn - boy

Can it get much worse??

And if i put in my son's name he would be called Elvis! :loopy:

O.k if I had a girl it would be Jodie Mercedes Hunter and the boy chav would be Axel Brooklyn Hunter:D

I personally would call them Kyle Keiran Hunter and Becca Nikki Kylie Hunter:P

Can someone explain? I've seen the word on a lot of posts...

This charming little site may asuage your curiosity.
:loopy: http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

Hmm, an attractive bunch! Thanks for your help - moving to sheffield soon and i'm sure knowing the meaning of this word will come in handy!

it is a scally. you get them everywhere

living near coventry at the moment, so i know the type! they really think they look the business, that's the funniest thing. and walk like they've shat themselves, what's that about??

Chav in Sheffield terms could be someone off any given rough or dodgy estate, Parson Cross for instance is known on here as "Chavsville"... :lol:

You think it's bad here?

I've just been on holiday on the North Yorks/Cleveland border... and playing a game of chav spotting was difficult just because they outnumbered everyone else about 3:1 the further into Cleveland we went.

Dropping back into Yorkshire, the ratio dropped right down. Of course the "Gumby" ratio rose, but nowt wrong with a couple of old gumbies here and there

Is it me or have 2 seperate threads been merged?

Alex

Originally posted by Rich
Chav in Sheffield terms could be someone off any given rough or dodgy estate, Parson Cross for instance is known on here as "Chavsville"... :lol:

They even exist in Stannington Rich, they are all over the place!

http://www.cecimoz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Chavs.htm

Chav rap.

Chavs beware! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3583900.stm)

Sidla might not approve of this as it's from his native Leicestershire but I just thought I'd post it.

And no, I am not trolling here.

Discuss teh link.

I thought that was policy anyway on West St on a Saturday night?

DaB? any official word from you?

Old news. The Fountain, near Orchard Square (part of the same chain BTW) banned baseball caps at one point, and Takapuna has, AFAIK, had a very similar door policy (no burberry, la coste, stone island, rockport etc) since day one. Not to mention all the pubs in town that ban football colours of any kind.

Well no official word from me as I'm not in the industry anymore.
However while I worked at Takapuna for the 18 months I was there we had an outright ban on Burberry - Stone Island - Lacoste - Rockport - Henri Lloyd - Hackett.

I tell you something it cut down about 70% of the hassle we got in the venue because the people more prone to be wearing the gear were football hooligans.
Like it or not it's true.

So I'd say it's sad to have to resort to such drastic measures as to ban brands it's welcomed if it stops the violence which follows the people who wear the brands.

I understand the reasons for doing this and generally support any idea to make pubs a safer place to be.

Looking at this from a wider viewpoint though - this seems like an attack on human rights and a persons own identity!

To be discriminated against by clothing labels and stereotypes seems the wrong way to go about things. There will be some innocent people affected by this - just because of the clothing they choose or can afford to where.

If anyone tried to ban items of clothing related to race or religion, then laws would be broken and action rightly taken against them.
But by allowing pubs to ban certain labels to rid them of unworthies, this could worringly be extended further in a cover for prejudice.

I think it would be morally safer to instead work to ban/bar the individuls concerned rather than the 'cultural symbols' that they adopt.

I'm sure the racist brigade will jump all over this one as being too politically correct, But I am entitled to my view.

If you don't want to be associated with the casuals, you wear other brands.

Why anyone would spend £100s on bland jumpers, shirts etc simply to look like everyone else is a mystery to me anyway...

Its not 'Chavs' that wear rockport an stone island etc (maybe fake burberry caps) I thought they were much more likley to be seen in Adidas, kappa and the like. It dont make sense, the likes of a rockport jacket will set you back a lot of money, you dont fight in them heh, they should ban everyone in regular clobber, they have nothing to lose getting blood or rips in them.

Originally posted by LoopyLou
Looking at this from a wider viewpoint though - this seems like an attack on human rights and a persons own identity!

Every shop, bar, pub, (forum :P) and private place has the right to refuse you entry. You have no automatic right to use their premises - it's completely their choice. I remember hearing stories about people being turned away from Gatecrasher because they looked too 'boring' for such a 'trendy' night...

No-one is saying that you can't wear Burberry in public (i.e. "an attack on human rights"), all that is happening is that more private venues are adding it to their existing door policies - the whole 'no trainers' thing has been around for donkey's years...

Originally posted by PENGUIN
Its not 'Chavs' that wear rockport an stone island etc (maybe fake burberry caps) I thought they were much more likley to be seen in Adidas, kappa and the like. It dont make sense, the likes of a rockport jacket will set you back a lot of money, you dont fight in them heh, they should ban everyone in regular clobber, they have nothing to lose getting blood or rips in them.
Well that's a farce for sure.
Many a time I've seen gangs of footy hooligans fighting in stone island, rockport, burberry etc. Rips, blood, snot, other all over their expensive clothes.

At the end of the day it's like gang colours but more expensive. Just because they cost a lot doesn't mean they wont fight in it.
And as for banning 'normal clobber' - :lol: - I'd much rather people came to Takapuna in normal clobber than the afore named brands as it usually meant a violence free night. Believe me and ask any door supervisor!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Well that's a farce for sure.
Many a time I've seen gangs of footy hooligans fighting in stone island, rockport, burberry etc. Rips, blood, snot, other all over their expensive clothes.
To be honest, never. I dont hang about if I see it happening.

At the end of the day it's like gang colours but more expensive. Just because they cost a lot doesn't mean they wont fight in it.
And as for banning 'normal clobber' - :lol: - I'd much rather people came to Takapuna in normal clobber than the afore named brands as it usually meant a violence free night. Believe me and ask any door supervisor!
You sure you dont give the clubgoers a bad attutude as soon as you see what they are wearing ? In turn which they maybe start getting hostile once inside ? I dunno, maybe your right, I have just never seen it. /me says **** it, I dont care anymore.

Originally posted by LoopyLou


Looking at this from a wider viewpoint though - this seems like an attack on human rights and a persons own identity!

To be discriminated against by clothing labels and stereotypes seems the wrong way to go about things. There will be some innocent people affected by this - just because of the clothing they choose or can afford to where.



But hasn't this been going on for donkeys years, and accepted by the general public?

'Working' clothes ban in some pubs/restaurants, 'No Entry Without a Tie' in others.

Nah I never give anyone attitude, and especially based on what they're wearing.

It comes down to club policy at the end of the day, they have rules and we're paid to uphold them.
We explain (I say we even tho I don't do it anymore) to the customer politely why they cannot wear the brand in question and even offer them a queue jump entry if they wish to go home and change.

Some do - some dont.
However until the hooligans change what brand they want to wear clubs wont change their policy!

what is a chav?

Is this the kind of thing you mean?

http://mojomusic.iinet.net.au/sign.jpg

Originally posted by robirisc
what is a chav?

Description of what a chav is (http://www.chavscum.co.uk)

This topic seems to have gone to who or what chavs are.
So is this the ultimate chav car?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&h=0&t=107495
Click on the link in the first post.
0-60 in 2.83 secs.Not bad !!

Originally posted by Rich
Description of what a chav is (http://www.chavscum.co.uk)

Has any one noticed how these "chavs" - the ones who vote on www.chavscum.co.uk (link above) seem to be proud of it. They criticise each other but write their messages in chavy code.

It makes me worry. :confused:

Am I a chav without realizing it? I don't like designer labels, but I do like more expensive clothes. I shiver to think that I might be a chav because I find CK boxer shorts quite comfortable. They don't creep up the crack like some cheaper alternatives.
And how do these chavs afford things like Burberry anyway? I thought these things were supposed to be exclusive to rich people?

The human right people shouldn't support the chavs by complaining about dress code at clubs. Instead they should buy some seal clubs and bludgeon all the chavs to death, so that the Burberry base ball caps can be sent to arctic sea dwelling mammals for protection from the hole in the Ozone layer.

This would be beneficial to the environment and to normal people who could then wear what they want without worrying that a chav might copy the style.

It's all too mystifying. :huh:

Can anyone explain the difference between "chav" and "average working class kid", please?

Because to some on here, they seem to be pretty much interchangeable terms. Still, at least describing the underclass thus makes that liberal guilt complex a little easier to deal with.

Originally posted by Greenback
Can anyone explain the difference between "chav" and "average working class kid", please?

Because to some on here, they seem to be pretty much interchangeable terms. Still, at least describing the underclass thus makes that liberal guilt complex a little easier to deal with.

Average working class kids don't have ASBOs against their names do they? Your average working class kid also doesn't go out intentionally looking to start a fight with any guy who so much as looks at him sideways.

There's the difference, average working class people can behave in a mostly civilised manner in public, chavs for the most part, cannot, especially when they're innebriated (drunk).

Originally posted by Greenback
Can anyone explain the difference between "chav" and "average working class kid", please?

Because to some on here, they seem to be pretty much interchangeable terms. Still, at least describing the underclass thus makes that liberal guilt complex a little easier to deal with.

Chav = mindset of a neanderthal, sociopathic, selfish piece of human waste whose mission in life is to beat their partner and make everyone's life a misery

Average working class kid = average working class kid

Thought it was pretty fecking obvious. To me, mindset = chav moreso than the clothes they wear.

Yours sincelerely,
An Average Working Class Kid.

/edit: Damn Rich, you beat me to it! :P

Originally posted by Xtro
Chav = mindset of a neanderthal, sociopathic, selfish piece of human waste whose mission in life is to beat their partner and make everyone's life a misery

Nothing to do with social class, then? Can you have middle-class "chavs"?

What do you call two chav threads merged...?

This one.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Greenback
Nothing to do with social class, then? Can you have middle-class "chavs"?

Indeed.

It's even possible to have upper class "snob" chavs... Look to useless celebs like Tara Palmer-wotsherface for example.

Famous for doing absolute sod all.

Ok... then how come the 'celebrity chav' section of www.chavscum.co.uk exclusively features celebs from poorer backgrounds?

The whole thing is funny for about five minutes, until you see the nasty, sneering, class-hate ideology that lies beneath it all.

Originally posted by Rich
Chavs beware! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3583900.stm)

Sidla might not approve of this as it's from his native Leicestershire but I just thought I'd post it.

On the contrary, if it keep trouble out of pubs and clubs then I'm happy.

Originally posted by Greenback
Ok... then how come the 'celebrity chav' section of www.chavscum.co.uk exclusively features celebs from poorer backgrounds?

The whole thing is funny for about five minutes, until you see the nasty, sneering, class-hate ideology that lies beneath it all.

In para 2 are you refering to the website or the gangs of yobbos who make life hell for everyone around them?

Personally, I think I'm going to undergo an identity crisis/change and restyle my self. :clap:

I'm going to become an aristochav...

Look out for me in Champs! I'll be the one in tweed and a gold chain, effing and blinding with a glass of Neuf du Pape in one sovereign clad hand and a splif in the other.
Do Champs do Bring your own?

Originally posted by Greenback
Ok... then how come the 'celebrity chav' section of www.chavscum.co.uk exclusively features celebs from poorer backgrounds?

The whole thing is funny for about five minutes, until you see the nasty, sneering, class-hate ideology that lies beneath it all.

I'm sorry....I come from the same background as a lot of Chavs. The difference is that I grew up with a sense of discipline, hard work and self respect. I do not go around making life a misery for the rest of the community.

It's not class-hate related - it's a dislike of the behaviour that these arses inflict on the rest of us. People can wear Burberry, listen to R&B and have more baseball caps than the New York Yankees, but as soon as they kick off a ruck, scare the **** out of people and generally act like the rest of us owe them a living then I do get annoyed at them.

A couple of weeks ago I saw two of these low lives get on a bus in Sheffield, drinking and having just put out a spliff at 11-00am in the morning. They'd inflicted their humourous asides on life and their dope smoke on the rest of us at the bus stop, and then carried on giving a running commentary on everyone getting on and off the bus all the way in to town.

Boorish and bullying behaviour is the same whether you're a Chav, a Skinhead, a bank clerk on a night out or whatever.

If Chavs don't like being called Chavs, easy. Stop behaving like a total arse and we'll stop treating you like one.

I'm SOOOO crabby today.

Joe

I am from the south... To us a Chav would mean a thief, a low life, a traveller (gypsy/kacker)... Total drop out! lol

Strange.....

Along the right lines but gypsies/kackers don't tend to spend all their time being yobbish and deliberately rude to people whether it's shouting and swearing outside their homes, driving like a tw*t on the road with the music blaring or being drunk, stoned, disorderly and trying to look intimidating (or cool as they think it appears) when in contact with the general public.

A thief, gypsy, kacker or whatever is just a thief, gypsy etc.. but it's not really a Chav. A Chav generally has it's own set behaviour pattern that makes it instantly recognisable to the rest of us. The dress code just makes it easier to spot.

Ah right ok... They have names for them too down south... Usually you can tell which area they come from as to the way they dress... such as Lads wearing there jeans really low showing most of their boxers Girls wearing loads and i mean loads of gold... they would be from maybe the Portsmouth area or Leigh Park...

Like Townies wear baseball caps and tracksuits (that word sounds dated lol) is there a 2004 version of 'the tracksuit'... lmao

Has to be my age lol

Originally posted by Mr_E
I'm going to become an aristochav...

Look out for me in Champs!

Ah yes, Champs. The Ecclesall Rd home of the posing Aristochav. Do you think they know the place is a dive or do they just not care cos it's got those big windows to pose in?

OMG!!!

I work with a chav lol

Correction........you work with an Aristochav. ;)

when did parsons cross become chavsville ??out of order !!!
I am sick of superior beings sticking labels to council estates on here, some one name a chav populated area thats not dominated by coucil housing pleeeaaasssseeee !!!

I think its like this susieq, because most chavs are bone idle gits, who can't be ar$ed earning a living, the only place they can live is in council housing, rent and council tax free at the non-chav's expence.

I live on a council estate amongst these cretins, and like you I object to all council housing being associated with 'chavism', but I doubt if you'll find many of them living the good life in private areas because there's not many private landlords willing to put them up for free.

But you are right, lay off Parson Cross etc. Respectable folk have the inbreds outnumbered 100-1.

Originally posted by markham
I think its like this susieq, because most chavs are bone idle gits, who can't be ar$ed earning a living, the only place they can live is in council housing, rent and council tax free at the non-chav's expence.

I live on a council estate amongst these cretins, and like you I object to all council housing being associated with 'chavism', but I doubt if you'll find many of them living the good life in private areas because there's not many private landlords willing to put them up for free.

But you are right, lay off Parson Cross etc. Respectable folk have the inbreds outnumbered 100-1.

I've seen Chav's with nightly migratory patterns, which means they leave there familiar council estate surroundings and move to a near by area of predominantly private housing. There they group and then cause hell for everybody around that area.
The frightening thing is that these individuals are now growing and one or two have started to get cars, old, poxxy nova type things with loud ice worth more than the vehicle and the rancid smell of dope emits from the all.
How long before one of these dope carriers kills somebody?
and even if they did, do you think they'd stand around and face the music or do a runner!
I grew up on a council estate and I was surrounded by decent hardworking people from whom I drew a lot on life, so i hope no one out there thinks I'm having a go at council estates, I'm not.

This from Ananova made me laugh but in a way it's quite sad really:

Camera thieves arrested after gaffe

A Brazilian gang that stole cameras from a shop, were caught after sending pictures of their theft to be developed at the same store.

The group of teenagers were arrested after the pictures were seen by an employee at the shop in the northern city of Manaus.

They had broken into the shop during the night and took pictures as they gathered up the goods.

They later sent rolls of film to the same shop to be developed.

A police spokesperson said: "They thought they were going to get away with being so bold but they were all recognised and arrested."

sounds like one for the Darwin awards!

Originally posted by elf
sounds like one for the Darwin awards!

http://www.darwinawards.com/
The Darwin Awards honor those who improve our gene pool... by removing themselves from it. Of necessity, this honor is generally bestowed posthumously.

Fantastic :D How dumb are some people lol.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/3958839.stm

Even the BBC are on the chav-waggon now - sigh !

As I'm sure you are all aware, the term chav has become the most over-used word of the past few months. However what I really want to know is where has this "urban peasant underclass" come from - if indeed it is anything other than the media focusing on a subsection of society that has always been there.

My personal oppinion (and at the risk of being labelled a Guardian reader) is that the 'chav' phenomenon is a result of greater atomisation, division and social exclusion that began in the 80s (remember the famous Thatcher quote - there is no such thing as society). Though in no way a sociologist it appears to me that as heavy industry and mining closed and a subsection of society fell into perpetual unemployment they were simply shunted out of mainstream society and into outlying housing estates. As economic and social devisions deepened this new social group find themselves in a position where people won't employ them ("You come from X estate - you must be a criminal/workshy slacker/druggie/chav I'm not going to employ you") and so are increasingly excluded from mainstream society. If this is the case then is it of any surprise that a feeling of not belonging to society and hence not owing it anything should become prevalent. As far as I can see this will only become worse as children are born into the increasingly excluded group and grow up in a socially and economically ostracised way.

Now I realise that I could easilly be talking out of my shiny metal orrifice - so what do other people think?

DISCLAIMER!!! NO I'm not saying that everyone who lives on a council estate will neccesarilly fall into the 'chav' grouping or that this is the only reason and that "nice middle class kids" (TM) can't be chavs!

I'm going to agree with you there evildrneil.

I personally believe, as I am studying sociology this year ;), that "chavs" are a product of their poverty, frustration, social division and exclusion.

I think they have been invented as a group of people that everyone can feel superior to.

you don't think then that is it a result of mans interference with natural selection?

I think there is a kind of Batesian Mimicry element that would explain why so many people appear to belong to this same social group that has become to be known as chavs. Most of these kids are really just normal decent kids that have unfortunatley aligned themselves in appearance with a much smaller and malignant group, which is why they seems so abundant.

I think a middle class middle aged woman, who lives in a big posh house in dore, with white marble pillars at the drive way, and large ornamental stone animals in the garden, dressing up as a 19 yr old, and getting picked up by a stretch white limo......is easily as chav as a 17 year old in a shell suit with a bleached fringe, baseball cap and brilliant white trainers.

Its all just about people not wanting to be on the bottom rung of the ladder and putting others down so they feel superior.

Oh, and its dead good fun ;)

It's not like they have just appeared is it? It's not really as if they come from one area either. If you go by the description that people have put on this site, then i have certainly seen chavs in Nether Edge, Dore, and The Highcliffe pub was packed with them until not too long ago.

I think it is partly a fashion, partly a way of thinking and enviroment, and partly something constructed by all the people who want to pick on a minority, and young white kids are safe ground.

aint "chav" just a new name for the old name of "townie" or am I missing something? =\ I dont think I'll ever understand all these stupid classifications people come up with to group people...

In my eye's im not bothered who they are or how they dress as long as they dont act like nobheads...

I think i get classed as some sort of goth or skater or I dunno what, just cus i wear baggy jeans and band t-shirts generally... OMG, god help the world, I fit into some sort of catagory...

except I dont smoke pot, or hang around near the town hall posing with a skate board...

I know guys that dress like "townie's"/"chav's" but are decent guys... dont see how you can classify someone buy their outfit...

ok sure, if they're racing around in a suped up nova and harrassing OAP's for money to buy bottles of cider then I'll let you off lol ;)

Originally posted by xafier
aint "chav" just a new name for the old name of "townie" or am I missing something? =\ I dont think I'll ever understand all these stupid classifications people come up with to group people...

In my eye's im not bothered who they are or how they dress as long as they dont act like nobheads...

I think i get classed as some sort of goth or skater or I dunno what, just cus i wear baggy jeans and band t-shirts generally... OMG, god help the world, I fit into some sort of catagory...

except I dont smoke pot, or hang around near the town hall posing with a skate board...

I know guys that dress like "townie's"/"chav's" but are decent guys... dont see how you can classify someone buy their outfit...

ok sure, if they're racing around in a suped up nova and harrassing OAP's for money to buy bottles of cider then I'll let you off lol ;)

Townies are more the middle and upper class people who dress up in expensive designer clothing.

Chavs are more the lower class that try to dress the same as the above, but fail miserably. Chavs are GENERALLY *note generally* the ones that caause more anti-social trouble.

Whats a chav. Can someone enlighten me please?

www.chavscum.co.uk

should be all you need :thumbsup:

never heard the word?