I worked for kleeneze about 4 years ago and one of their agents visited my flat to sign me up, i had to shell £150 upfront but i was told i would clear that within a month of receiving 21% of my takings.

I found it hard going at first but it did make me feel healthier and i had missed all those long walks since quitting the post office some years earlier.

I found most of my business waas with people who were disabled or couldn't get out much such as disabled people.

I made a lot of money on bowfield court s5 as most of these people came in to the afore mentioned category.

Anyway a month into my new career i received another visit from our local manager of kleeneze explaining how to join a club where you try to recruit people that you know and in so doing receive a bonus from the company and also after they have signed up you receive 5% of their takings so building a network.

I found alot of people had got there before me in areas i had covered and quite often people would not return the catalogues dispensed to their address so losing profits because you have to pay for all the literature that you need as they are tools of the company such as catalogues.:confused:
So in my experience although i did make a slight profit i wouldn't give up a day job for it, despite the rosey picture the company portrays when you attend one of their conferences usually held at a prestigious hotel at a cost to you again.

Hi Gill
We have been Kleeneze agents for 12 yrs and find it a very good business.
Don't know what you mean though (Kleeneze manager) as there is no such person in kleeneze.
Our email address is june41john46@yahoo.co.uk if you want to contact us for a chat.

Bawdyed

Hi.

Today I just received information pack from Kleeneze.

Can you give me more information on what its doing? Is it worth it?

Thanks

Hi,

I havent.

but can you tell me why you post crap through my door that I have not asked for then. You then have the cheek to come back expecting me not to have launched it in the bin.

I dont understand it

I am also sick to the back teeth of all the rubbish from Kleeneezee, betterwear and others which gets stuffed through the door, and all of it goes straight into the wheely bin.
Every time I see an agent I tell them I don't buy anything on the door and any catalogues will be shredded and put into the bin.

But it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. The booklets still come. It is my belief that the agents give up so frequently with the futile effort that would be involved in this persuit, that each time I get a new catalogue it's from the next replacement who has been told they can make a second income quite easily.

I even caught one young lad tipping the contents of my blue bin out to try and get the catalogue back. I went spare and kicked his ass back down the passage. It's bad enough with the worry of identity fraud and the waste paper. Everything gets shedded before it goes in there I don't want to see anyone lurking on my property and looking in my bins.

My partner and I are both in full time employment, in well paid jobs and have just joined betterware to raise a few extra funds for our first home which we are saving up for. For the hours we put in we get enough back to boost our savings and are still new at it.

If we see a sticker on the door saying 'we no not buy or sell at this door', we respect this and do not post a catalogue. Now unless we have our crystal ball with us, if a house does not have a notice on the door, how are we supposed to know the occupants do not want one?!!

We come accross some lovely people, but mostly ignorant snobs who think they are above this sort of thing.... People who just say it's been chucked in the bin, or worse, people who leave them out in the rain!!

It's hardly the worst thing in the world to hold onto it until it is collected, or to just be polite to us folk who are out in all weathers just to raise a bit of extra cash. It is completely demoralising when people look at you and treat you as if you are something they have walked in.

Here's a big THANKYOU to those considerate people, not just those that order, but those who are pleasant and friendly at the door. It makes me wonder what miserable lives people lead if they can't even muster up enough politeness to someone they see for mere seconds at the door.


Rant over :)

Also.... if you nhave told another distributor you do not want them, how are new ones supposed to know? If ya don't want one, best thing is to stick one of those things to the door. It's lucky we don't have to buy our own catalogues unlike Kleeneze, who must be well miffed when they get thrown out. Although they do leave catalogues at houses with the stickers on I've noticed... :rolleyes:

It's hardly the worst thing in the world to hold onto it until it is collected, or to just be polite to us folk who are out in all weathers just to raise a bit of extra cash. It is completely demoralising when people look at you and treat you as if you are something they have walked in.
Hi Jenno,
well done for trying to raise some extra cash.

The problem I have with holding on to catalogues is that sometimes I finish up with several and they don't come back anyhow. Indeed the last time I saw anyone collecting for any of these catalogues arrive at my door was possibly 12 months ago, and I still get it all relentlessley shoved through the letterbox.

I imagine that most sales are made to old people who can't get to the shops and are in all day.

And the reason I got so angry about it is because I once went through a stage of having 2 lots of collectors coming to my house at once from the same catalogue and I got absolutely sick of answering the door dripping wet from the bath, only to find that by the time I had got to the door they had gone.

Every night I come home to find a huge pile of pizza leaflets on my mat, I cannot eat pizza due to an alergy. Am I supposed to put a notice on my door for all the different services I want to opt out of?, My door isn't big enough.

No, I reckon pizza leaflets etc will get put through regardless, and no one comes back for them so it's fine to bin if you so wish. With regard to betterware etc, as I said I am respectful of those with stickers saying they do not buy or sell and don't go to those doors, but I guess some distributors aren't as thoughtful. I guess it's a bit crap for both parties anyway, whether you're the one fed up of getting them or the ones fed up of effortlessly walking the streets! :(

Hi jenno
We are kleeneze distributors,who have to buy our cats,yes you lose some,but we can earn up to 37% on retail,plus bonuses from any group we have.
So you can earn a lot more with Kleeneze.
You only lose your cat once at an house,because you don't go back to those houses again.
After 3 visits to a street you have got rid of all the dead wood,so ten you don't lose them anymore.

bawdyed

Hi Bawdyed.... I know what you mean.... we make a note when we go round to ''ignore'' the ones that are left **** wet through outside! I even picked one up with a worm inside it the other day!! Eww!! :gag:

I did bettaware to earn a bit of spending money when I was in the sixthform.
I didn't have to pay out anything in advance, and I made about £20/week, which was 4 * my spending money, so felt like loads.
I kept a record of the houses that either never answered or told me not to call again, so I wouldn't loose so many catalogues.

I've been doing Kleeneze since July last year, trying to earn an HONEST living , so I'm NOT scrounging off the state or dealing in drugs, don't you think we're sick of people like you who don't have stickers on their doors and then throw away OUR property in the blue bin , perhaps if we sent you the bill for the new catalgoues which we have to buy, perhaps if you actually read the slip on the front of the catalogue and bothered to put it out on the correct day (just wondering but why don't you put them back out with a polite note saying you don't want any more then your shower wouldn't be interupted) so its rubbish from Kleeneze , have you actully bothered to read the catalogues? my husband has health problems and is off work and is only getting £68 a week statutory sick pay, because of my last employer who I worked for since 2001 to 2005 , didn't pay NI contributions , I can't even claim income support, thats why I'm doing this to pay my way...... as for ignoring blue stickers on doors ,sometimes when you put a catalogues through when you are blanket dropping some people actually buy, so doesn't that make them hypocrites for having a blue sticker on the door in the first place!!!


I am also sick to the back teeth of all the rubbish from Kleeneezee, betterwear and others which gets stuffed through the door, and all of it goes straight into the wheely bin.
Every time I see an agent I tell them I don't buy anything on the door and any catalogues will be shredded and put into the bin.

But it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. The booklets still come. It is my belief that the agents give up so frequently with the futile effort that would be involved in this persuit, that each time I get a new catalogue it's from the next replacement who has been told they can make a second income quite easily.

I even caught one young lad tipping the contents of my blue bin out to try and get the catalogue back. I went spare and kicked his ass back down the passage. It's bad enough with the worry of identity fraud and the waste paper. Everything gets shedded before it goes in there I don't want to see anyone lurking on my property and looking in my bins.

Also.... if you nhave told another distributor you do not want them, how are new ones supposed to know? If ya don't want one, best thing is to stick one of those things to the door. It's lucky we don't have to buy our own catalogues unlike Kleeneze, who must be well miffed when they get thrown out. Although they do leave catalogues at houses with the stickers on I've noticed... :rolleyes:

totally agree, we are not mind readers, yes we do get well miffed when catalogues get thrown in the blue bin, as for blue stickers on doors , when you are blanket dropping, some people actully buy, so why have they got a sticker on the door in the first place!!

Why don't you give out some kind of sticker for people who don't want these magazines?

I haven't written an agreement to the contrary, so anything which is pushed through my letterbox which is intended for me is my property. If I want to throw it away or leave it on the floor that's my business.

Why don't you give out some kind of sticker for people who don't want these magazines?

I haven't written an agreement to the contrary, so anything which is pushed through my letterbox which is intended for me is my property. If I want to throw it away or leave it on the floor that's my business.

I suppose this guy you would ignore, right. lol. :loopy:

I too am fed up of these things being shoved through my door. I do realise that it costs you to get the catalogues so I leave them on my garden seat where they are in full view for the agent, unopened so they don't get ruined.BUT they mostly don't get collected. Theres an Avon one on the bench as I write and the Kleeneeze one was there for so long it went in the blue bin when it was emptied last Tuesday (minus plastic cover of course).

Hi Everyone
I am a Kleeneze distributor and would just like to say if you just put a note inside the plastic bag and say please don't leave another catalogue,and put it outside with the bag sealed,that distributor will not leave you another catalogue.
There is always the chance another distributor will come along who doesn't know the other distributor, so you may get another at a later date.
We are all independant distributors earning a living.
PLEASE! be patient.

Bawdyed

don't you think we're sick of people like you who don't have stickers on their doors and then throw away OUR property in the blue bin , perhaps if we sent you the bill for the new catalgoues which we have to buy, perhaps if you actually read the slip on the front of the catalogue and bothered to put it out on the correct day blah blah blah...

Actually, if you deliver unsolicited goods to someone's home, then that person is entitled to keep the goods or dispose of them in a manner they see fit. Legally they would probably be entitled to invoice you a reasonable amount for storage or disposal of your unwanted catalogue.

P.S. I don't get these any more, but if I did I'd leave them out with a note. If you don't want it getting wet, then you should supply a plastic bag. I know some catalogues do this anyway.

Hi Andy
Yes,I suppose you can do what you want with them,but we do ask politely if they can be put out on the day requested,also if you don't want another from us,please let us know.
But we can't guarantee another agent won't leave one at a later date.
Sorry about that!
But with us all beng self employed independant agents,it does happen.

Bawdyed

Hi Andy
Yes,I suppose you can do what you want with them,but we do ask politely if they can be put out on the day requested

I did leave them out when I recieved them, with a note saying "not interested - no more leaflets thanks".

I was simply pointing out, in response to a rant which described the books as the agents property that, legally, once you deliver unsolicited items, you have no right to ask for them back.

If you don't want to take a small element of risk then maybe being self employed isn't for you. Any business will spend money on advertising that won't generate custom - how many pizza menus do you think go straight in the bin? Do you buy EVERY product that you recieve a free sample of in the supermarket? If you can't afford to take a risk that a small amount of money will be lost on borchures, then you shouldn't shove them through all and sundry's letter boxes.

Out of interest do you supply a plastic bag to allow me to return your book without it getting damaged by the rain?

I did leave them out when I recieved them, with a note saying "not interested - no more leaflets thanks".

I was simply pointing out, in response to a rant which described the books as the agents property that, legally, once you deliver unsolicited items, you have no right to ask for them back.

If you don't want to take a small element of risk then maybe being self employed isn't for you. Any business will spend money on advertising that won't generate custom - how many pizza menus do you think go straight in the bin? Do you buy EVERY product that you recieve a free sample of in the supermarket? If you can't afford to take a risk that a small amount of money will be lost on borchures, then you shouldn't shove them through all and sundry's letter boxes.

Out of interest do you supply a plastic bag to allow me to return your book without it getting damaged by the rain?

I'm the other agent, in reply , yes all our brochures are already in plastic bags and in reply to the other person question, you can get the blue stickers from your local neighbourhood watch group, I gave one to a gentleman the other week who made it quite clear he didn't want any more of our books, wouldn't you rather have decent honest people 'lurking' near your house than the yobs who probably 'casing' your house up ready to be burgled, I don't know about the other agent who is posting in this thread , but when I'm told if customers are going on holiday, then I feel privilged that in todays society , people can trust me with that information.

I have done and still do Betterware, Ive been a Distributor and Coordinator.

Both earn good money if you get the books out and in.

I also looked in to trying Kleeneze and after waying up the pros and cons decided betterware was better.
Kleeneze Betterware
Charge for Starter Pack Completely Free
Charge For Books Completely Free

I believe that if you want to earn money you should not have to pay out before you get it in other wise your defeating the object.
I know theres the saying "Speculate to Accumalate" but surely if your looking at earning some extra cash its because you can not aford the £75 Joining Free

I too am fed up of these things being shoved through my door. I do realise that it costs you to get the catalogues so I leave them on my garden seat where they are in full view for the agent, unopened so they don't get ruined.BUT they mostly don't get collected. Theres an Avon one on the bench as I write and the Kleeneeze one was there for so long it went in the blue bin when it was emptied last Tuesday (minus plastic cover of course).

some kleenze agents quit after a short time , so maybe thats why the catalgoue wasn't collected, but just out of interest do you telephone the agent to ask why? , some of our 'stragglers' won't be collected for the next two weeks , not because we havn't gone back , we have 3 times in the last 7 days putting notes through ,

but maybe the agent has personal difficulties which means they are unable to collect the catalogue (my husband is off work ill and we will be unable to do Kleeneze for the next 2-3 weeks)

Hi everyone
In reply to Jane91 OK you don't have to buy your cats,but you can only earn 21% of any sales you do,with Kleeneze you can earn up 37% plus bonuses.
This far out weighs the cost of cats when you work it out.
With a little bit of effort and enthusiasm, Kleeneze is a fantastic low cost business opportunity.
Where else can you start your own business for £75 and have the potential to earn a six figure income.
You might say,yes but you have to work hard for a six figure income,but who can name a business were you don't have work hard at to earn that kind of money.
With the expansion into Europe,these kind of incomes are going to be common place in the Kleeneze business in the next 3-5yrs.
And anyone can do it,not just the ones who are aleady doing it.Everybody in the business has started from the same place,but those who have worked the hardest, are the ones who are earning the big incomes.
In this business if you want it enough,it's there to be had.

Bawdyed(John)

Hi everyone
In reply to Jane91 OK you don't have to buy your cats,but you can only earn 21% of any sales you do,with Kleeneze you can earn up 37% plus bonuses.
This far out weighs the cost of cats when you work it out.
With a little bit of effort and enthusiasm, Kleeneze is a fantastic low cost business opportunity.
Where else can you start your own business for £75 and have the potential to earn a six figure income.
You might say,yes but you have to work hard for a six figure income,but who can name a business were you don't have work hard at to earn that kind of money.
With the expansion into Europe,these kind of incomes are going to be common place in the Kleeneze business in the next 3-5yrs.
And anyone can do it,not just the ones who are aleady doing it.Everybody in the business has started from the same place,but those who have worked the hardest, are the ones who are earning the big incomes.
In this business if you want it enough,it's there to be had.

Bawdyed(John)

That couple who advertise in The Trader every month - they'll earn shed loads, and have done. Like most MLM they were there first.

The "expansion into Europe" really does mean sod all. These are local district - sometimes even street part-time business people you are asking to part with £75.

No doubt they'll make it back if they work hard enough but don't stray away from the facts - as a part-time occupation it's good to make a little bit extra to sell to work colleagues or neighbours i n their vicinity. Anything more than that is selling pipe-dreams for the vast majority.

muddycoffee is spot on with what he says... and im not puttin any ugly signs or stickers up... i'll just throw em in the bin with the rest of the trash i get through the door, its unsolicited material and therefore you can do what you want with it! plus do you see how often its a different person?.. seems no one sticks it out longer then a week.

Hi MTHeo
Youv'e got it wrong,it's not that nobody sticks it out for more than a week,it's agents crossing over each other.
As i said before we are all self employed independant agents earning a living.
Its not the business that doesnt work,it's the people.
If you work this business works!
As for doncastrian,don't you think all these people in Germany aren't in at the beginning,in GERMANY, and the only person who can introduce them to the business is an existing distributor in this country.
If you understand network marketing you will know what i mean.

Hi MTHeo
Youv'e got it wrong,it's not that nobody sticks it out for more than a week,it's agents crossing over each other.
well this seems a bit daft... if ever i was to want anything (ok it wont happen) but id want to build up a rapport with the same person....also if it was the same person you wouldnt have to go thru the same knocking at the door and arguements about how easy it would be to leave it outside.

When I did the bettaware round for a year, maybe year and half. I kept a record of which houses never answered the door or had thrown the catalogue out. If it happened twice then I stopped giving them a catalogue.
It helped that the bettaware catalogues were free, but saved me the effort of walking down lots of paths to waste 2 mins knocking and waiting.

some kleenze agents quit after a short time , so maybe thats why the catalgoue wasn't collected, but just out of interest do you telephone the agent to ask why? ,

I wouldn't, unless they had a freephone number. Why should I run up my phone bill trying to return a piece of rubbish that you've shoved through my door without my invitation.

if anything, i mean anything like catalogues or bags asking for clothes lands on my doorstep it goes in the bin and the person gets a mouthfull when they come back to get it

one said i had no right to throw it - it's simple you dump something on my property it becvomes mine to do with as i please

sorted.

Apart from the catalogue losses adn the weather issues does anyone have experiences of the kleeneze business and if so is it seriously worth trying to make money out of it. I have an opportunity to get in at this time and would like some honest opinions about its worth.

Hi foxprom
We have been with KLEENEZE for 12 yrs and found it a brilliant and rewarding business to be involved in.
Of course you have to work hard to earn the six figure incomes, but where can you get those kind of incomes without working hard for it.
The chance is there if you want it bad enough.
june41john46@yahoo.co.uk

Hi foxprom
We have been with KLEENEZE for 12 yrs and found it a brilliant and rewarding business to be involved in.
Of course you have to work hard to earn the six figure incomes, but where can you get those kind of incomes without working hard for it.
The chance is there if you want it bad enough.
Thanks for that just wanted some more posotive news to give me the push

Apart from the catalogue losses adn the weather issues does anyone have experiences of the kleeneze business and if so is it seriously worth trying to make money out of it. I have an opportunity to get in at this time and would like some honest opinions about its worth.

Hi, I've been in Kleeneze nearly a year, but if you want lots of others people's opinions , not just current distributors, do a search in google for 'kleeneze' and then do another search for in2networking.com , its a Q&A forum to ask questions before you part with your money

Kleeneze isn't a job but like an everyday job , there are times when you wonder why you are doing it and feel like quitting but at the end of the day when you work for a boss, they get richer and get all the benefit of you working the best years of your life , in Kleeneze you get the benefits and rewrds for all your hard work, can anyone tell what other jobs GIVE you a free BMW after selling their companies products for five years!
www.kleeneze.net

JOB = just over broke, its your life, your choice......good luck in whatever you decide
Jo

it's simple you dump something on my property it becvomes mine to do with as i please

sorted.

so when the local dumpit site is full/closed can I bring my garden/household rubbish/old settee round! LOL :-)

Foxprom

No matter what it is, i.e. Kleeneze, betterware, and other networking company, you get what you put into it. I wish they had all these in our country, we'd go for it because we know, anyone else's opinion don't count, because there are those who quit and there are those who succeed.

I remember someone who came in the business I am doing and mine is access to 80 countries. She actually introduced me to the business opportunity, but I passed her and make 5 times as much as her and qualifying for many things such as bonuses.

It wasn't that I was better than her. Nop. Not by a long shot. It's just I came from a third world country, poverty, lived in streets and didn't know where my enxt meal was going to come from but when I came to UK and I saw such opportunity I went for it, even though some of my white mates was like, "noooo! It's a scam!! My dad's friend, friend's auntie did it and it never worked."

I didn't listen, I went for it, I put more effort, more time, travelled too out of sheffield because I knew the ones in sheffield ain't going to put more money to go extra mile. I walked, I prospected people in street, and in just 3 months, I had 40 dirtsibutors in my business. I say 'had' because there are much more now, and my business has expanded in 10 different cities in UK, then USA, Paris and South Africa without me being there due to the system and contacts in business.

Networking or MLM is a great way of making extra income but for me, its a business and I am going for my dream, whether one calls it 'pipe dream' or not. Pipe dream is working your butt off for a boss for forty years. My dad did that and they wasted him with a damn ******* pension which is pea nuts.

So I didn't come for weather, football or DVD hours of watching or work for any company. I came cause England is filled with opportunity and going for it.

So mate, go for whatever you want. Just remember, its about you not the business. Cause the businesses work. YOU gotta make it work.

But I tell you something mate; so many Asians, Arabs, Sikhs, Pakistanis, etc, are ripping these businesses apart and earning big incomes, you can only dream of. Why? Because of work ethic. From day one we came to this country, worked hard and in evening set up shops, and worked like hell. We weren't bothered about footie, clubs, pubs, because we will own them one day and already we own bars, resturants, flats, maisonettes all over uk.

So hey, cool if many say now. There are many who are going to because they know they can rip such business apart and make it happen because there is no fear, and we don't give a damn what anyone else says and we're not hear for some crummy pension.

GOOD THINKING BATMAN. How I wish there was more like you. All people want to do as you say is Go to work for a boss. come back go to the pub, watch the tele. Their life revolves around football and the pub. Then they whinge that they have no pensions and no quality of life... Theer a many opportunities as you say and if they just got off their butt and got on with it they would sleep better in their beds at night.
We have offered this opportunit tothousands over the past 12 years. Th ones who went for it in the first place are the ones who are still with us. Making a decent living like us. Wth Holland and Germany now up and running we are offering it in these countries too. Anyone starting in Sheffield now who knows people in these counties are in on the ground floor and will make a bomb.So come on you people who want to earn a decent living and take The Hooks advice. As well as Larry Winget and SHUT UP, STOP WHINING AND GET A LIFE.
Please look at our web site.
www.kleeneze-hallmark.co.uk

Hi I tried Kleeneze years ago. It was fun but hard work. The products on the whole weren't bad and the whole thing done correctly would work well. But... I had no support from the sponsors above me and found creating a down line pretty impossible. I stopped but the MLM bug never really escaped me.

My advice if you are considering Kleeneze or Betaware is to leave it, unless you have many contacts and good help from sponsors.

As for me - I'm now earning the money Kleeneze promised but couldn't deliver with the slick E-Lottery Syndicate system. No catalogues, No product returns. Just convert existing lottery players into smarter lottery players and they love you for it. I'm not saying any more. The people I want will visit www,124chances,co,uk

Hope this helps.

Just thought I would add my 2c...

I have been a distributor with Kleeneze for just over 2 years. Yes, it has been hard work, yes there have been many days when I thought about quitting. However, I have stuck with it and am now earning around £1500 per month part-time and looking towards doing Kleeneze full time next year.

It is not a get rich quick scheme. Buiding a solid Kleeneze business will take a lot of time and effort but the rewards are fantastic. Earlier this year the company sent my girlfriend and I on an all expenses paid trip to Budapest and it looks like we'll be sent on another to Cannes next June.

If you're looking for a way to supplement your existing income, or a long term full-time business this could be for you IF you have the dedication. Just be sure to select your sponsor (the person who introduces you) carefully as they will be responsible for your training. If they are already successful and have successful people in their team, you know you'll have the best possible chance of building a solid business.

Bill

I've been doing Kleeneze since July last year, trying to earn an HONEST living , so I'm NOT scrounging off the state or dealing in drugs, don't you think we're sick of people like you who don't have stickers on their doors and then throw away OUR property in the blue bin

If you post something of yours through my letterbox, you are giving it to me. It's no longer your property. Which means I can do what I want with it. Which means I chuck it.

Further more, if it's posted through a door that has a sticker stating...we do not buy at this door....then YOU are throwing your living away. Blue bin everytime in our house.

If you post something of yours through my letterbox, you are giving it to me. It's no longer your property. Which means I can do what I want with it. Which means I chuck it.

That's fair enough, it's up to you whether to give a catalogue back or not. I teach my team to keep complete records of where they have been and what houses have bought, which looked at the book, and which didn't. We never go back to a house where we didn't get the book back the first time around and we are just looking for regular customers in the first few weeks.

After 6 - 9 months most distributors are purely serving a customer base of regulars, people who have bought in the past and want us to return. If you want to buy great, if you don't no problem... I'm sure Tesco don't get upset if you don't buy from them, Kleeneze distributors should be no different with households who do not require our service.

Just my 2c...

I'm sure Tesco don't get upset if you don't buy from them, Kleeneze distributors should be no different with households who do not require our service.


Precisely.

I think it would make more sense for door-to-door salespeople to knock first and ask if I want a catalogue. Instead of assuming I want one, and then getting all uptight when it goes in the bin with all other unsolicited commercial mail.

It's not exactly computational fluid dynamics is it?

now they have gone bust then no-one will be an agent

atleast i think i heard right? the hamper company which also operates kleeneze it said

Precisely.

I think it would make more sense for door-to-door salespeople to knock first and ask if I want a catalogue. Instead of assuming I want one, and then getting all uptight when it goes in the bin with all other unsolicited commercial mail.

Quite right, many teams including ours do use a knock and present system when looking for initial regular customers but if nobody is in then the book goes through the door...

atleast i think i heard right? the hamper company which also operates kleeneze it said

You're right about Farepak going under, but they were a sister company to Kleeneze. Both were owned by European Home Retail which has now been taken over by Findel PLC... The closure of Farepak is not affecting Kleeneze which is still a very profitable and expanding business.

I have been a customer of both kleeneze and bettaware,and always found things to be good quality. Bettaware oven cleaner brill.But I thought Kleeneze was part of Farepak, are they in trouble?

I have been a customer of both kleeneze and bettaware,and always found things to be good quality. Bettaware oven cleaner brill.But I thought Kleeneze was part of Farepak, are they in trouble? oops just spotted last link, question answered................

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My partner and I did kleeneze for about 6 month, we built up a good customer base in our local area and another distributor blown all our hard work in just 6 weeks by deliberatly doing the same area as us and even had the cheek to steel our catalouges! Kleeneze left us in £6000 of dept cos we just kept on putting money into it and getting nothing back. In our opinion kleeneze is a scam and would advise people to leave it well alone!!!!

Hi just read your message how the heck do you get £6000 in debt by doing Kleeneze? what where you doing? either your sponsor need hanging or you did something out of the normal. I d like you to tell me what the £6000 was for cause it a big white lie or you did something strange.Second the first time you came across another agent you quit? bet he laughing now, you left 6mths work to them. I dont condone taking other books i stamp on this but you cant take the person they where before they joined Kleeneze out of them.Take a look in the mirror and stop blaming evryone else.

lets face it everyone needs to make a living and not all will agree with how they go about it,i would not buy from a door catalogue but i would allways return it as i know how much they cost the reps. doorstep walking is not my thing there are easier ways to earn...

My partner and I did kleeneze for about 6 month, we built up a good customer base in our local area and another distributor blown all our hard work in just 6 weeks by deliberatly doing the same area as us and even had the cheek to steel our catalouges! Kleeneze left us in £6000 of dept cos we just kept on putting money into it and getting nothing back. In our opinion kleeneze is a scam and would advise people to leave it well alone!!!!

This isn't true is it? how can you get 6K in debt in 6 months? it cost maxixmum £160 to start up or as little as £75 - if you did it for 6 months you might have needed a box or two of books at £30 and with a few other bits and pieces I can't see at ALL where this 6K figure comes from.

How can a *good* customer base be destroyed in 6 weeks if it took you 6 months to build? How could that one person take ALL your customers? in 6 weeks? if it took you 6 months?

Lets face it - like many you tired it and it didn't work out for you , be honest .

I might add here about those posting here gleefully saying how they throw away the books , I've done this for 18months now fulltime - I earn a decent living and put out about 800 books a week every week. In all that time I've only _ever_ had about 4 people deliberately throw the books away and stand there and tell me about it, gleefully carping on about junk mail etc. They came across as *weird* , so unlike the literally 1000's I've met in my time , some of them have lost the book or the dog has ate it but they've always been nice. It says more about the *type* of person that a book through a door throws them into a spin . It might also be noted that the ones here in the spin also appear to have a posting history here stretching into the 1000's - given this is a samll quite minor forum it's obvious they don't get out much so a little catalogue through the door is a *real* problem to them .

Sad really as it's only people trying to make a few pounds . Personally I make loads but I do qwork this full time as a fulltime job.

I am shocked with the responses of some of the posters on this thread. Why is it not considered normal to be at the very least polite with someone who comes to your door without any ill intent?

We may not "have" to put their catalogues back out for them to be collected, but is it really such a hardship to do so? Why do you take delight in taking the liberty to cause someone else a loss, just because you feel you are allowed to? It seems you like to take out your stress and general unhappiness on someone who has merely put a catalogue temporarily into your hands.

Gloating and supposedly enjoying telling an agent that you have destroyed or disposed of their catalogue, is simply ridiculous. It was merely another persons means of earning a living. What kind of acheivement is it to say 'it's my possesion now' - and throw it in the blue bin?

It isn't that dreadful to receive a catalogue through your door, and seriously - it isn't that hard to be pleasant, and treat the agents as they are; human beings; just like you.

I am shocked with the responses of some of the posters on this thread. Why is it not considered normal to be at the very least polite with someone who comes to your door without any ill intent?

We may not "have" to put their catalogues back out for them to be collected, but is it really such a hardship to do so? Why do you take delight in taking the liberty to cause someone else a loss, just because you feel you are allowed to? It seems you like to take out your stress and general unhappiness on someone who has merely put a catalogue temporarily into your hands.

Gloating and supposedly enjoying telling an agent that you have destroyed or disposed of their catalogue, is simply ridiculous. It was merely another persons means of earning a living. What kind of acheivement is it to say 'it's my possesion now' - and throw it in the blue bin?

It isn't that dreadful to receive a catalogue through your door, and seriously - it isn't that hard to be pleasant, and treat the agents as they are; human beings; just like you.


Indeed - I deliver not just to my customer base but to brand new houses that haven't had my books , this on a weekly basis . I always have a new area starting as an old one is *maturing* into customer base. of all the 100's I've only had about 4 as I said that have made a big song and dance an=bout how they've binned it etc. They came across a bit *tapped* frankly when compared to the majority of the people I meet - the first time I see them I ask *would you like this catalogue delivered again madam/sir??* and they either say yes or no and I leave it at that . Saves their time and mine - I only lose about 5 books a week maximum - 4 last week , out of 800 , but as I said I am fulltime so can hunt down those lost books.

Civility costs nothing - I found some delightful; and charming people , an OAP that slept in his back room , had the front as a living room - the upstairs bar the bathroom was the biggest model railway I've ever seen!! I've met people rebuilding old cars and all sorts of home hobbies - I made £75 in tips before Xmas!!

The lovely ordinary people I meet more than make up for the tiny weird minority who I only meet once! - I don't have to go back again! No one tells me where to go. Kleeneze is the best thing I've ever done - I,m happier than I've been for 20 yrs , I wish I'd found out about it years ago!

A think a lot of people may not know that the agent has to pay for the catalogue.

Personally I don't like to leave the catalogue on the doorstep when trying to return it as I feel it is a sign to people that no-one is in at home. The last one I left out I ended up picking up from the pavement and binned as it got blown away and soggy as they did not collect on it the said day.

I do not ever wish to be disturbed by people knocking at the door trying to sell/ collect something, though I am always polite. I do ensure that they know I do not want to be bothered and that I'm not interested... in my eyes its the same as cold calling via phone and I find it extremely rude. I am perfectly capable of finding the products I need.

I think it must take a certain type of person to do the job, I would be mortified having to knock on strangers doors disturbing them at home for something they have not asked for.

A think a lot of people may not know that the agent has to pay for the catalogue.

Personally I don't like to leave the catalogue on the doorstep when trying to return it as I feel it is a sign to people that no-one is in at home. The last one I left out I ended up picking up from the pavement and binned as it got blown away and soggy as they did not collect on it the said day.

I do not ever wish to be disturbed by people knocking at the door trying to sell/ collect something, though I am always polite. I do ensure that they know I do not want to be bothered and that I'm not interested... in my eyes its the same as cold calling via phone and I find it extremely rude. I am perfectly capable of finding the products I need.

I think it must take a certain type of person to do the job, I would be mortified having to knock on strangers doors disturbing them at home for something they have not asked for.You would probably be mortified to be an undertaker to(excuse the pun) but someone has to do it,it is a job just like being a Kleeneze agent is a job everyone to their own job.Why can't people just say to the agent please don't leave me another catalogue and that would be that.No need to be be nasty is there.As for leaving it on the step is telling people your not in,that's silly,we are asking you to leave it on the step so we don't distrurb you,in or out.

A think a lot of people may not know that the agent has to pay for the catalogue.

Personally I don't like to leave the catalogue on the doorstep when trying to return it as I feel it is a sign to people that no-one is in at home. The last one I left out I ended up picking up from the pavement and binned as it got blown away and soggy as they did not collect on it the said day.

I do not ever wish to be disturbed by people knocking at the door trying to sell/ collect something, though I am always polite. I do ensure that they know I do not want to be bothered and that I'm not interested... in my eyes its the same as cold calling via phone and I find it extremely rude. I am perfectly capable of finding the products I need.

I think it must take a certain type of person to do the job, I would be mortified having to knock on strangers doors disturbing them at home for something they have not asked for.

Firstly the catalogue outiside is no marker at all that no one is in - total myth , what is a give away is no lights on or no TV on just a few table lamps , no car on the drive even though there are marks on the drive where it should be , yet small weeds where the garage door shuts meaning it's never used. Beleive me I can tell an empty house at a hundred paces .

Now being disturbed at home - I've done this for ages and never had more than a few people that were annoyed , thats a few out of 1000's I have come across, I'm polite I say good evening sir/madam and it certainly makes people be on their best behaviour. I ask everyone I meet if they wan the book as it saves my time and theirs if they don't. The VAST majority are perfectly happty to have it - I'm not the only one delivering nowadays , the home shopping delivery men are around all the time as are the other catalogue people like Next. It's not unusual and it very commonplace now. Few people are *that* busy or important they can't answer a knock at the door.

Firstly the catalogue outiside is no marker at all that no one is in - total myth , what is a give away is no lights on or no TV on just a few table lamps , no car on the drive even though there are marks on the drive where it should be , yet small weeds where the garage door shuts meaning it's never used. Beleive me I can tell an empty house at a hundred paces .

Now being disturbed at home - I've done this for ages and never had more than a few people that were annoyed , thats a few out of 1000's I have come across, I'm polite I say good evening sir/madam and it certainly makes people be on their best behaviour. I ask everyone I meet if they wan the book as it saves my time and theirs if they don't. The VAST majority are perfectly happty to have it - I'm not the only one delivering nowadays , the home shopping delivery men are around all the time as are the other catalogue people like Next. It's not unusual and it very commonplace now. Few people are *that* busy or important they can't answer a knock at the door.

Catalogue outside will tell someone that they no one is in. Plain and simple, people do not like to do it.

Now I don't know if you push these catalogues through letter boxes without asking, or only give them to people who ask, but if I got a catalogue and did not ask for it I don't see why I should take the trouble to ensure that it got back to the distributor.

People are busy these days. They do not want to be bothered. The Police have a lovely sticker 'we do not buy at this door'. Times have changed, people order items off the internet.

For most companies their products are so good that people come to them. Unfortunately for Kleeneeze it seems that the company has to go to the people. At the end of the day it's a pyramid company and people make money by recruiting others.

I will wait for the responses from the Kleeneeze reps who claim they have been sent to Australia for conference visits and that they make thousands every week. Oh and also that job stands for just over broke. They make you think you can get rich so that they can get rich.

Catalogue outside will tell someone that they no one is in. Plain and simple, people do not like to do it.

Now I don't know if you push these catalogues through letter boxes without asking, or only give them to people who ask, but if I got a catalogue and did not ask for it I don't see why I should take the trouble to ensure that it got back to the distributor.

People are busy these days. They do not want to be bothered. The Police have a lovely sticker 'we do not buy at this door'. Times have changed, people order items off the internet.

For most companies their products are so good that people come to them. Unfortunately for Kleeneeze it seems that the company has to go to the people. At the end of the day it's a pyramid company and people make money by recruiting others.

I will wait for the responses from the Kleeneeze reps who claim they have been sent to Australia for conference visits and that they make thousands every week. Oh and also that job stands for just over broke. They make you think you can get rich so that they can get rich.


Well thats five mistakes so we'll take it one at a time

catalogue outside does not mean noone is in - it means a catalogue has been left outside for me to collect perhpas with an order in. Do it and see it every day - it bares no relation as to whether anyone is in or out. My customers certainly don't mind it.

Everyone orders off the internet? except when they order from Kleeneze or Avon or Betterware or the myriad other things not internet based.

As aboe you seem to have forgotten that many people buy form Avon or from the many other catalogue based companies, are you suggesting that no other company does any other form of home marketing? And at the end of the day it is NOT a pyramid company - pyramid marketing is illegal in the UK and has been since the 70's. Kleeneze is a founder member of the Direct Selling Association and is approved by the Office of Fair Trading. Look it up .No one makes ANY money by merely recruiting others - thats illegal.

No one has to *claim* they were sent anywhere - if you reach certain bonus levels within Kleneze you can go on all expenses paid conferences to a Spring destination (this spring its Club Med 2 luxury cruise liner in the West Indies , Next Spring it's Capetown, last year it was Thailand - there are Autmn destinations too , last year it was Vienna!) Many distributors who have built teams make several thousand a week easily, but it takes much hard work and skilled determination.

Anyone can do it - I've built a huge customer base and make a fulltime living - I've done a small amount of team building too and Kleenze rewrd me with bonuses - the team member below me lose nothing to me it's KLeenez who pay me.

As you can see - I've no website here and aren't looking to recruit in Sheffield I just want to correct the many misunderstanding people have of Kleeneze - it's pays my Mortgage!

Catalogue outside will tell someone that they no one is in. Plain and simple, people do not like to do it.

Now I don't know if you push these catalogues through letter boxes without asking, or only give them to people who ask, but if I got a catalogue and did not ask for it I don't see why I should take the trouble to ensure that it got back to the distributor.

People are busy these days. They do not want to be bothered. The Police have a lovely sticker 'we do not buy at this door'. Times have changed, people order items off the internet.

For most companies their products are so good that people come to them. Unfortunately for Kleeneeze it seems that the company has to go to the people. At the end of the day it's a pyramid company and people make money by recruiting others.

I will wait for the responses from the Kleeneeze reps who claim they have been sent to Australia for conference visits and that they make thousands every week. Oh and also that job stands for just over broke. They make you think you can get rich so that they can get rich.NO! IT IS NOT A PYRAMID COMPANY. YOU do not make money by just recruiting others.You only make any money when you show THEM HOW TO MAKE MONEY.By selling products.
So you work for asda,you make your wages to get some money,who do you think you are making rich,the chairman,what chance have you of becoming chairman,next to none.
So why do you work for ASDA.YOU ARE STILL MAKING SOMEONE ELSE RICH,and they can sack you at any time or make you redundant,tell you when you can have holidays,don't reward you with holidays for working hard.WHATS THE DIFFERENCE.Where as with KLEENEZE OR ANYTHING SIMILAR you can make yourself rich.
If you work it right.

NO! IT IS NOT A PYRAMID COMPANY. YOU do not make money by just recruiting others.You only make any money when you show THEM HOW TO MAKE MONEY.

Why do we NEED TO WRITE IN CAPITALS?

You couldn't make it up - so you don't make any money at all by recruiting people. But you do make money recruiting people who make money. Bottom line - by recruiting people you stand to make money.

There are people on this forum who are maybe out of work and want a stable job. Yet they get messages from people 'will u do Kleeneeze'. There are Kleeneeze reps on here trying to recruit 15 year olds, getting them to put their parents names down on the form. By recruiting them you stand to make money. Yes this might be like Asda but it is very clear that you are working for a company that makes lots of money, I think you need to be upfront with the commission rate you get by recruiting other people who in turn get orders and make money

At the end of the day I turn round to someone and ask them to find £200 off someone, who in turn finds £200 off someone who in turn finds £200 off someone. The chain can not go on, someone will break it and they will loose £200. The person at the top of the pyramid / chain takes a cut of every £200, the people at the bottom loose out. Now at Asda in they are making money the chain can go on, and if they have to make people redundant than that person has numerous skills in which to apply for another job.

Of all the comments I hear about Kleeneze about 75% are negative and 25% are positive. Well done to the 25% who get to the top of the pyramid, but please think about the 75% below you.

Why do we NEED TO WRITE IN CAPITALS?

You couldn't make it up - so you don't make any money at all by recruiting people. But you do make money recruiting people who make money. Bottom line - by recruiting people you stand to make money.

There are people on this forum who are maybe out of work and want a stable job. Yet they get messages from people 'will u do Kleeneeze'. There are Kleeneeze reps on here trying to recruit 15 year olds, getting them to put their parents names down on the form. By recruiting them you stand to make money. Yes this might be like Asda but it is very clear that you are working for a company that makes lots of money, I think you need to be upfront with the commission rate you get by recruiting other people who in turn get orders and make money

At the end of the day I turn round to someone and ask them to find £200 off someone, who in turn finds £200 off someone who in turn finds £200 off someone. The chain can not go on, someone will break it and they will loose £200. The person at the top of the pyramid / chain takes a cut of every £200, the people at the bottom loose out. Now at Asda in they are making money the chain can go on, and if they have to make people redundant than that person has numerous skills in which to apply for another job.

Of all the comments I hear about Kleeneze about 75% are negative and 25% are positive. Well done to the 25% who get to the top of the pyramid, but please think about the 75% below you.What are you talking about,get your facts right before shouting your mouth of.NO one makes anything out of the initial cost to start the business,that cost is for registration in the business and the catalogues to do the business,in other words the tools of the trade.As i have said before,there is no money made until products are sold.The agent who sells them makes 21% plus bonuses on anything they sell personally.
Plus the company pay bonuses on group turnover.Just like the manager of a business who gets paid more for running the business than the workers do. With Kleeneze everyone can be a manager of thier own business,the bigger the business they build the more they earn.
Everyone who joins this business and sells products,makes money.

Everyone who joins this business and sells products,makes money.

OK, I accept that everyone can climb the pyramid of success.

And I'm not the one shouting, I don't type in capitals :)

You would probably be mortified to be an undertaker to(excuse the pun) but someone has to do it,it is a job just like being a Kleeneze agent is a job everyone to their own job.Why can't people just say to the agent please don't leave me another catalogue and that would be that.No need to be be nasty is there.As for leaving it on the step is telling people your not in,that's silly,we are asking you to leave it on the step so we don't distrurb you,in or out.

I never said I was nasty, or it was ok for other people to be so - please read my post again; I said I was polite but expressed my dislike of it. Maybe thats the problem and why people still have to put up with being disturbed :lol: I know my nanna just buys the odd thing as she feels sorry for the young girl that comes around so I suppose it works.

I have worked in sales and labs and I know which one I prefer! :) it's a personal opinion like you said and as I find it extremely rude knocking on strangers doors and disturbing them, its just something I would refuse to do. I occasionally buy catalogue stuff when I choose to ring up and have a catalogue delivered, this I have no problem with.

I'm not the only one delivering nowadays , the home shopping delivery men are around all the time as are the other catalogue people like Next. It's not unusual and it very commonplace now. Few people are *that* busy or important they can't answer a knock at the door.

As for Next and delivery drivers, I do not mind them as I have asked and paid for the service they provide. I'm not important or that busy and to be honest your company is very good at leaving you alone once your not interested until the next newbie comes along:)

Well thats five mistakes so we'll take it one at a time

catalogue outside does not mean noone is in - it means a catalogue has been left outside for me to collect perhpas with an order in. Do it and see it every day - it bares no relation as to whether anyone is in or out. My customers certainly don't mind it.

Everyone orders off the internet? except when they order from Kleeneze or Avon or Betterware or the myriad other things not internet based.

As aboe you seem to have forgotten that many people buy form Avon or from the many other catalogue based companies, are you suggesting that no other company does any other form of home marketing? And at the end of the day it is NOT a pyramid company - pyramid marketing is illegal in the UK and has been since the 70's. Kleeneze is a founder member of the Direct Selling Association and is approved by the Office of Fair Trading. Look it up .No one makes ANY money by merely recruiting others - thats illegal.

No one has to *claim* they were sent anywhere - if you reach certain bonus levels within Kleneze you can go on all expenses paid conferences to a Spring destination (this spring its Club Med 2 luxury cruise liner in the West Indies , Next Spring it's Capetown, last year it was Thailand - there are Autmn destinations too , last year it was Vienna!) Many distributors who have built teams make several thousand a week easily, but it takes much hard work and skilled determination.

Anyone can do it - I've built a huge customer base and make a fulltime living - I've done a small amount of team building too and Kleenze rewrd me with bonuses - the team member below me lose nothing to me it's KLeenez who pay me.

As you can see - I've no website here and aren't looking to recruit in Sheffield I just want to correct the many misunderstanding people have of Kleeneze - it's pays my Mortgage!Well said Gerbil,I couldn't have put it any better.It pays mine to.As for felling sorry for the agent,like Evie's nanna,I don't mind that.But why feel sorry for someone who could be earning thousands a month.Not all of them do,but most of them are only doing it for a bit extra on top of their present income.That's all i did it for in the first place,until i realised i could earn a lot more just by building my self a business.

It be well at this time to really explain how Kleeneze works , now that everyone has had a say . It's quite understandable why some get annoyed when Kleenez is run down all the time most often with falsehoods and downright lies.

It's an 85 yr old company that used to have the blokes with suitcases selling brushes door to door. Now it's done on many levels - someone perhaps a housewife or retired person just wanting to make an extra few pounds or someone wanting a few hundred pounds a month to top up a mortgage or those wanting to build huge businesses and grow leading to the very top. All these levels are possible.

I started after losing my job and wanting something to fill in whilst I looked , but I enjoyed it so much I continued doing it. It's your own home distributorship - you are in charge and decide how much or little to do. Start ups cost from as little as £75 to £160 , I started with £160 which gave me 200 catalogues ( main book, Health&Beautyand what ever the *special* was - Xmas , or Greeneze etc plus bags and orderforms) plus a trolly and bag to deliver them in plus all the forms etc needed. I also got an immediate £500 spending limit with Kleeneze.

Everyone starts there - now for the hard bit- you put the books out round your area and collect them in after 2 days. This needs precise record keeping of which houses are done, didn't want one , threw a wobbly 7 , who ordered - then the orders need sorting out . Sounds easy but many people have no experience of doing paperwork or record keeping - there is help in the start up pack and the person who recruited you can help but there is always something you just have to find out for yourself.

Losing the books is a problem for all new starters - thats why the record keeping is so important. Until you are established you may have to go back a few times to get books and may lose some - this means after a month or so you may need new boxes of books. The *round* you did with the bookes you repeat in different areas till 4 -5 weeks have gone by then repeat the first area where you started - BUT this time miss out all the chuckle heads that threw the books or lost them or just never gasve them back. Suddenly you don't lose many books PLUS those that looked the first time are delighted to see you back and begin to think that if they order you *will* come back with the order. When I started I used to lose 5 or so books every 200 I put out sometimes more, last week I put out 800 books and have not got back 3 ( thats 400 books spread over 3 drops ) - However I'm confident that when I go round with orders to that area I can get those 3 back.

These early losses are the part people stumble on , but this is no ordinary *job* it's a distributorship owned by yourself, so early investment will pay huge dividend later. I've had ups and downs - soem areas produced few orders even though I went back 5 times yet now I only go to the customers and not to every house - and whole areas that would take weeks to cover I can do in one drop plus the fact that all these people are regular customers (they may not order every time but 1 out of 3 do and the average is £10).

I've done this even though there are other Kleeneze agents in the area plus betterware - someone who didn't want to do more or was just happy with £200 a month would after 6 months be doing a tiny fraction of the work they needed at the beginning - no more posting to every door just those that want them , plus as you get well known customers become very loyal. Now I've enjoyed this and grew my round huge by endlessly going to new areas and building new customers there is however a way to build a business with Kleeneze that will give even bigger rewards - Sponsorship.

I'll cover this later as I am going out to put some books out!

The Gerbil, while writing the next installment, could you include:

1) How much money does the person who recruited you makes in terms of % of the product sold and how much the person who sold the product get in % term.

2) How long or what does a person needs to do for before they are "promoted" which enable them to recruit other members to work below them?
1 year? 5 years? x amount of product sold? ££££ earned?

3) What is the staff turnover like, at the moment bawdyed is almost here every day recruiting. If the work and money was that good, why is there a need for constant recuirment? Surely the market would be saturated by now if the staff turnover is so low and that demand is why the constant need for recrument.

4) When someone pays for these catalogue does the person who recruited you make any money from this in anyway?

I certainly can do that John :-

1) (this is taken from the universal document **Your income without a team**)when first starting you get 21% of all orders until you reach (in the 4 week *period*- there are 13 *periods* in the KLZ year) £763.75 and this is the first bonus level of 10% earning £210.15.

So to sum up it's 21% for the distributor *me* until I reach the various bonus levels that start to kick in at £763.50. Say I got £1000 of orders this would get £275.16

Now - how much the *upline* ( the man who recruited me) depends entirely on how much _he_ does and this is critical . I'm going to round up the figures to keep it simple .

Say I get £600 of orders I'd earn £125 , say I recruit John in Norwich and Wendy in london and they each do £600 - KLZ would tally these together to give my *team* of three £1800 - thats my 600 , Wendys 600, Johns 600 and they'd pay me £275 - I've still only done the 600 and physically earned the 125 but KLZ have bonused mne the other 150 . John and wendy still get their 125.

I hope it makes sense - were I in front of you I could do a quick diagram and it explains itself easily.

Now it's not as simple as that though - if Wendy decides to go all out and get £2000 of orders and then recruits 7 others who each do 500 I don't get much at all as I haven't matched her £2000 , she will over take me and KLZ will pay to me an increasingly smaller and smaller bonus dividend. I *must* make sure I match those I recruit as KLZ reward hard work . Wendy pays nothing to me at all - she's in London and I only see her perhaps once a year to say hello. I can hold off these smaller bonuses by recruiting more people *frontline* thats right next to me as opposed to wendy or John but I'll need plenty to offset Wendys ever growing team . Wendy could go all the way to the top leaving me an John well behind - I'd still get a very small dividend but nothing like the percentage I got when I had greater sales.

Are we all following this? :)

I'll move to question 2 - you can recruit straight away from day one . Some people have joined in early 2008 and have by October qualified for the week long all expenses paid cruise on Club Med 2 - they recruited and built a businbess taking them to the *Bronze* level (it goes gold silver bronze not the other way around) - they are already then probably bringing home £2 - £3000 pounds a month and have a team numbering posibbly 20 with two of thos at Gold (those people having probably 5 - 10 under them) .

3) There are no staff - everyone is independant, when you get as big as the ones I've said most are even VAT regitered - it's big business , I'm personally self employed . Sadly - and this is what I'll cover in the sponsorship post later , retention is the problem , building a team or as I do building a customer base is hard work and not for everyone so many give up. I'm very laid back but obviously the more people you recruit the better your chances of getting someone like me who does £1000 of orders every week.

4) No upline makes any money at all from books or other sales items sold and provided by KLZ. No money is made in bonuses *just* for signing up - thats illegal . I could sign up 20 but if they don't put out the catalogues they'll get nothing and neither will I. Sound daft but I've had people sign up and do nothing at all. I'll cover that later.

Bedtime!! :)

To simplify it a bit
The first bonus level is £763=6% Bonus,£1528=8%,£2664=10%,£3995=12%,£5993=14%,£8813 =16%.
this is group turnover in 4 week periods.
So if your personal sales are £800 you will make £21 in every £100 =£168 + £6 in every £100 =£48 total = £168 + £48 =£216 for £800 of sales.
So if you then recruit 2 more people who each do £800 they will earn £216
So then your group turnover is £2400 so you now get 8% bonus on your own personal sales.So you still get the £168 + 8% bonus which is now 8 x 8 = £64
So your total on your own personal sales is now £168 + £68 = £232 + 2% on the other 2 people.so they have turned over £1600 x 2% = £32.
so you now earn £232 + £32 = £264
So you have still retailed your £800 but your earnings have gone up from £216 to £264.
So can you now see the more people in your group the more you earn.
Every body earns money on their own personal sales + bonuses on group sales.
I hope this helps.
A bit complicated i know,but once you get into it it's quite easy.

OK, thanks.

Don't worry about the maths; the upline gets 12.5% :thumbsup:

I am surprised that there is no honeymoon period as to when someone who is "fresh" can recruit.

Surprised because the model should fail if you didn't retain some control.

I guess the market is already saturated as to why people drop out when they discover that the £££ aren't coming in because everyone is fighting for the same customer base.

Statistically, (according to my calculations using what I would consider successful and fair) approximately 85% fail until it reach saturation point.

That 85% is likely to far higher because of the maturity of existing agents prevents new players from establishing a foothold.

So further down the chain you are, the harder it becomes.

Does that tie in with your drop out rate?

My post was submitted some hours after Bawdyed wrote his post above which contains far more accurate information.

What I don't understand is why The Gerbil and Bawdyed figures are different when it comes to the upline figures.

It is out by a large margin.

Either of you want to explain?

Pity you couldn't have written that before bawdyed! I've got that explanation somewhere but 11;30 at night isn't the time to go looking for it , so I used the standard sheet. I didn't go into SPV and 33% etc etc just to keep it simple.

Whilst I'm here and lunch is nearly ready I'll cover the sponsoring;-

Any KLZ distributor can sponsor as soon as they are signed up - in fact there are regularly offers from KLZ for people who sign up , do £400 of orders in the first period then get someone else signed up who also does £400 and the pfirst person gets their joining fee back.

Now when someone joins KLZ they are going to be part of someones *team* - and they'll be headed by a Bronze who will usually organise monthly meetings in the local area. Here at the meetings the art of Sponsorship is taught - how to give a really first class presentation of KLZ in a clear precise manner with explanations of the finacial side and the bonuses etc. It's a time to meet others and plan how to advertise locally to encourage others to join . In our team we regularly go out and put leaflets through doors with a number on for people to phone and get an information pack and then a free DVD. Different teams have different approaches but it usually boils down to being visited at home and being shown the KLZ business model, perhpas then having a DVD etc.

This is all done on the individual distributors time - he can decide if he wants to sponsor or not and how to go about it. Whilst it's adventagious to build a team some don't and concentrate on just putting out catalogues and building a customer base. Personally I do the catalogues and when the weather is nice I do a little sponsoring I have a couple of people in my little *team* and they do a small amouint to provide themsleves with money to top up their house bills etc.

If you are lucky with sponsoring you might find someone who wants to put in loads of time and effort and build their own team, this is when *huge* and I mean seriously *huge* amounts of money can be made, but it takes perseverance and persistance. I know Bronze uplines on £4000+ a month every month. Monthly taking of £2 - £3000 are commonplace but they have to work very hard - they must keep their own turnover high to match the takings of those below who are doing well.

Recruiting to KLZ takes many forms - adverts in the paper, in shop windows, noticeboards, online, leaflets through the door, cards left in resturants or shops , even signs in the street.Of course there are friends and family too .

One thing makes many of these advert stand out,and that is they often don't mention Kleeneze at all ""NEED AN EXTRA INCOME?? "" OR "" EARN £200 A MONTH EXTRA"" and a telephone number often a local one or perhaps an 0800 number. These numbers are KLZ distributors own messaging number services and they go through to a recorded message to leave name and address etc. then the distributior contacts them etc.

Now there is a very clear reason why Kleenze doesn't appear on the adverts - British Snobbishness! yes - it's true , it's been shown that if you were to put Kleeneze onto an ad most people have little or no idea what it is but they do have preconcieved ideas and these are wrong in the vast majority of cases - Pyramid schemes (as we've seen here) selling door to door like in the old days (the catalogue does the selling , I just put it out). These are just some of the reasons - once people actually hear what it's all about and see the proof for themsleves they see it quite differently.

I should really point out here that many people who try Kleeneze don't make a go of it - it has a very high drop out rate. It's quite hard as I said in my earlier post to juggle all the paperwork and get oneself organised , nowadays many people just can't cope with it and it get more trouble to them than it's worth. The early days can be very hard unless one is very lucky - there will be good days and bad as in any new venture either in a hobby or a business. Once someone has done it for a few months then it gets easier and easier - now I see this as the easiest job I've ever had with rewards greater than any previous job, yes it's hard and I do put in occasional long hours but the rewards - not just money - but time at home and freedom to do and go where I like are better than anything I've ever had. If I had one regret it's that I didn't do this years ago - and I could have because my wife often spoke of a woman at her work who gave up a 30K job to do KLZ fulltime with her husband, I of course ignored this , I wish I hadn't!

Ask me anything! It's great to put the record straight on here and as this is archived when people search they'll find proper information as opposed to misinformation.

OK, thanks.

Don't worry about the maths; the upline gets 12.5% :thumbsup:

I am surprised that there is no honeymoon period as to when someone who is "fresh" can recruit.

Surprised because the model should fail if you didn't retain some control.

I guess the market is already saturated as to why people drop out when they discover that the £££ aren't coming in because everyone is fighting for the same customer base.

Statistically, (according to my calculations using what I would consider successful and fair) approximately 85% fail until it reach saturation point.

That 85% is likely to far higher because of the maturity of existing agents prevents new players from establishing a foothold.

So further down the chain you are, the harder it becomes.

Does that tie in with your drop out rate?


They don't get 12.5 % - it depends on how far up the bonus level they are - it's very difficult to explain with out the use of KLZ's own SPV or sales paln Volume figures and this won't rerally helpsomeone who may be thinking of starting and wants eraly details.

Why would it fail? it's been going on for years - the market will never reach saturation point , there are vast areas untouched . This is the thing given out by those who can't make it work and those who seek to justify why they couldn't get it to work. My areas have been worked by several other agents for years - blokes been at it for at least 3 -5 yrs . I have carved out a respectable income. My upline has one of his team just down the road and they both do big reatail in the same area - I've recently been to an area where I've been told they havn't seen a book for months and were annoyed they had missed the Xmas book. My paln is to build a base there and perhaps recruit someone there and pass some of the customers to them but it's early days yet.

If I could honestly say who would and would order and which areas are better for orders I'd be a millionaire - there is no rhyme or reason to it - rough area with burnt out cars , house orders £60 of stuff every 5 weeks . Massive house with intercome entry gates and RSR Porches on drive - £60 over 5 weeks. ? ? ? doesn't make sense to me but who cares!

I've not been doing it long and have already overtaken many in our team who have been in it much longer. Someone started up late last year and parttime has done morre than me with sponsoring and is way above me.

No one is at the bottom everyone can reach the top .

My post was submitted some hours after Bawdyed wrote his post above which contains far more accurate information.

What I don't understand is why The Gerbil and Bawdyed figures are different when it comes to the upline figures.

It is out by a large margin.

Either of you want to explain?

No they aren't out at all , I tried to make it simple ny keeping the figures *below* the break point £765 (rounded up) as it starts then on the KLZ **10%** figure , Bawdyed has used a simple sheet (which I have but couldn't lay my hands on at 11;30) which gives the KLZ figures based on their own SPV+33% . Both sets are right , they have to be simplified as no two distributors are on the same level so will get the same bonuses form those below. I, on 15% - 18% bonus level and get the full bonus from those below.

Keep it simple for new people - 21% in the pound for new people till £765 then the 10% bonus kicks in and KLZ give an extra amount of money.

BTW these bonus levels come with incentives - boxes of new books for those reaching 10 - 13% and beyoiond that - like hold 24% for 4 periods and get a cheque for a £1000!

No they aren't out at all

I disagree

I'll correct you based on bawdyed information.

Say I get £600 of orders I'd earn £125 , say I recruit John in Norwich and Wendy in london and they each do £600 - KLZ would tally these together to give my *team* of three £1800 - thats my 600 , Wendys 600, Johns 600 and they'd pay me £275 - I've still only done the 600 and physically earned the 125 but KLZ have bonused mne the other 150 . John and wendy still get their 125.


Your personal sales are £600 you will make £21 in every £100 = £21 x 6 = £126 + no bonus tier kicks in because you've not made enough sales so you only get £126 for £600 of sales.

So if you then recruit 2 more people who each do £600 they will earn £126 too.

So then your group turnover is 3 x £600 = £1800 so you now get 8% bonus on your own personal sales.

So you still get the £126 + 8% = £126 + £10.08 p = £136.08p

So your total on your own personal sales is now £136.08p + 2% on the other 2 people.

so they have turned over £1200 x 2% = £24.

so you now earn £136.08p + £24 = £160.08

£160.08 is way out from your figure of £275

Even Bawdyed figure in his example is lower than yours off the back of £800 worth of sales.

They don't get 12.5 % - it depends on how far up the bonus level they are - it's very difficult to explain with out the use of KLZ's own SPV or sales paln Volume figures and this won't rerally helpsomeone who may be thinking of starting and wants eraly details.


In the light of bawdyed accurate figures, I agree, they don't get 12.5%. Forget I ever mentioned it.

Why would it fail? it's been going on for years - the market will never reach saturation point , there are vast areas untouched.

You honestly don't believe that do you?

I disagree

I'll correct you based on bawdyed information.



Your personal sales are £600 you will make £21 in every £100 = £21 x 6 = £126 + no bonus tier kicks in because you've not made enough sales so you only get £126 for £600 of sales.

So if you then recruit 2 more people who each do £600 they will earn £126 too.

So then your group turnover is 3 x £600 = £1800 so you now get 8% bonus on your own personal sales.

So you still get the £126 + 8% = £126 + £10.08 p = £136.08p

So your total on your own personal sales is now £136.08p + 2% on the other 2 people.

so they have turned over £1200 x 2% = £24.

so you now earn £136.08p + £24 = £160.08

£160.08 is way out from your figure of £275

Even Bawdyed figure in his example is lower than yours off the back of £800 worth of sales.Hi John If you work it out on a £1000 of personal sales you would get 21% of a 1000 = £210 + 6% bonus =£60 that is 210 + 60 = £270 He's not far out is he.OH and iv'e been in the business for 15 yrs iv'e got about 700 regular customers in my area. Other agents have come along and they have sold and quite a few of them have stuck at it,so they must be selling as well.It's like i have always said if the customer doesn't like you they won't buy of you,so another agent comes along who they like so they will buy of him/her.
It's like having one shop at either end of your street when you first move in you try both and pick the one you like and buy from them.So with the company expanding into other countries as they have Ireland,Holland and Germany up to now,and all these people who do the business in these other countries have got to be in the group of someone in this country,no it won't reach saturation point at all.Not in my lifetime anyway.As Gerbil says the company is 85years old and it hasn't failed yet.

Hi John If you work it out on a £1000 of personal sales you would get 21% of a 1000 = £210 + 6% bonus =£60 that is 210 + 60 = £270 He's not far out is he.

But he didn't use £1,000 he used £600.

I wouldn't worry about it, he explained after my questioning in reference to "they are far out" only to be told that agents are given different % bonuses afterward.

I was correct in questioning it, the reply I got in stating that "they are not far out" made me look as if I was in the wrong.

That is clearly not the case based on all data presented to me at the time of writing that post.

Hence the reason why I asked for either of you to explain.

No it won't reach saturation point at all. Not in my lifetime anyway. As Gerbil says the company is 85 years old and it hasn't failed yet.

I disagree with you in when you say it is not over saturated but let adopt your shop analogy and limit it to The City of Sheffield.

level 1 ~ 12
level 2 ~ 144
level 3 ~ 1,728

If there were 12 agents and each manage to find 12 members each to form their own group then there would be 144 + 12 members.

Now if those 144 agents then recruited 12 members to its own group you'd end up with 1,728 + 144 + 12 members.

Ignoring the self-employed aspect of it, KLZ probably end up being the largest employer in Sheffield if you manage to be successful in recruiting a perfect 1-2-3 level system with just 12 members per group but you and I know that is impossible because no one on level 3 would make enough money and so the system can not be sustained - it is well overcooked.

Let reduce it to 3 agents per group which sound quite reasonable on the face of it but it is still over saturated for Sheffield when adopting 1-2-3 perfect level system.

3 agents recruiting 3 members and those 3 members recruit 3.

level 1 ~ 3
level 2 ~ 9
level 3 ~ 27

results in 39 agents = over saturated for Sheffield.

If you disagee with me then you might as well say there is enough business in Sheffield to open up 39 (3 + 9 + 27) kleeneze shop in town centre. After all each and every one of you are self-employed fighting your own market share of the business.

When you start to look like that, people will begin to understand where I am coming from when I say it is over saturated.

Sure, I don't know how many agents are operating in Sheffield but given that you (bawdyed) is constantly recruiting people, his/her retention failure rate must be high and this to me is a clear sign that too many are chasing after the same market share.

You can dress it up with "They can't hack it" if you want but it won't change my views on the reason why people don't last long.

In the light of bawdyed accurate figures, I agree, they don't get 12.5%. Forget I ever mentioned it.



You honestly don't believe that do you?


bawdyeds figures make it clearer for sure, it was late at night , I just could lay my hand on the sheet with it all on. We don't do all the figures ourselves KLZ do it all on the computer system and send us the printouts - it'd be a nightmare to do it ourselves. It's of little importance unless you are actually sdoing it - but it's clear that no distributor has to pay another , I work for myslef - how much KLZ wants to pay the several layers above me is of no concern to me . If I go off on holiday like many self employed people I won't get paid - unless the few on my team do any work .

As to it being sustainable , I believe it's perfectly sustainable , at least for the next few years whilst I do it at least.

John - i've seen this argument used before about saturation, but sheffield isn't an island it sort of goes out and out till it becomes rotheram and ? huddersfield. It is possible and indeed as I've found quite doable to have several distributors in one area - but in practice people tend to recruit away from their own areas.

Why do people drop out - certainly not because too many are doing it, it's a usual thing I've read and heard but it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Especially when compared to my own experiences - it would have been easy to jack it in when I found out several other agents were in the area . But I didn't and now I have my own customer base - very occasionally I'll see two other agents books on a street as I put down my own. As I pointed out in another post why people choose to buy who knows.

Failure at this is many fold - lack of preparedness to change lifestyle to fit in with the rigours of KLZ in the early stages , this coupled with the difficulties everyone can have early on make giving up an easy option. Sometimes it's just the graft of it - lugging those books about is tiring and time consuming until you have a system in place. The lack of realisation that they are building a business and it need funding - yes you'll need to replace lost books , and bags etc but after a short while you won't need to .

I tend to tell people if they follow the simple 200 out once a week they'll make about £200 - when they make a bit more they are delighted of course.

I know Sheffield isn't an island. You could equally say each of those cities has it own 3 agents on level 1 operating the 3x3x3 system, and so will Leeds, Worksop, etc.

While you may branch out in their areas, they no doubt also branch into yours (Sheffield).

The end result stays the same - swings and roundabout as it were.

I think I call it a day in this thread - I've learnt a lot and I think our collective information give other people a better understanding how MLM works and give them a chance to make their own decisions.

It'll work for some based on very hard work and equally a lot of luck.

I'll leave you with this last thought - few people realise *just* how many houses there are in an area. I have recently put 200 books into an area and it was swallowed up by one single road. By my albeit best guess I couldn't do the whole estate once a week with 400 books in a 5 week cycle. There are just too many houses and too many people - agents just can't cover all the people all the time . When I've finished 5 rounds I'll only do the customers - the rest , well , it's tough they'll have to wait till I perhpas blanket drop the whole area at Xmas or wait till a new agent starts in the area.

I hope the info in the thread will go someway to correct the balance for people searching for correct info rather than misinformation and fantasy.

It be well at this time to really explain how Kleeneze works , now that everyone has had a say . It's quite understandable why some get annoyed when Kleenez is run down all the time most often with falsehoods and downright lies.

It's an 85 yr old company that used to have the blokes with suitcases selling brushes door to door. Now it's done on many levels - someone perhaps a housewife or retired person just wanting to make an extra few pounds or someone wanting a few hundred pounds a month to top up a mortgage or those wanting to build huge businesses and grow leading to the very top. All these levels are possible.

I started after losing my job and wanting something to fill in whilst I looked , but I enjoyed it so much I continued doing it. It's your own home distributorship - you are in charge and decide how much or little to do. Start ups cost from as little as £75 to £160 , I started with £160 which gave me 200 catalogues ( main book, Health&Beautyand what ever the *special* was - Xmas , or Greeneze etc plus bags and orderforms) plus a trolly and bag to deliver them in plus all the forms etc needed. I also got an immediate £500 spending limit with Kleeneze.

Everyone starts there - now for the hard bit- you put the books out round your area and collect them in after 2 days. This needs precise record keeping of which houses are done, didn't want one , threw a wobbly 7 , who ordered - then the orders need sorting out . Sounds easy but many people have no experience of doing paperwork or record keeping - there is help in the start up pack and the person who recruited you can help but there is always something you just have to find out for yourself.

Losing the books is a problem for all new starters - thats why the record keeping is so important. Until you are established you may have to go back a few times to get books and may lose some - this means after a month or so you may need new boxes of books. The *round* you did with the bookes you repeat in different areas till 4 -5 weeks have gone by then repeat the first area where you started - BUT this time miss out all the chuckle heads that threw the books or lost them or just never gasve them back. Suddenly you don't lose many books PLUS those that looked the first time are delighted to see you back and begin to think that if they order you *will* come back with the order. When I started I used to lose 5 or so books every 200 I put out sometimes more, last week I put out 800 books and have not got back 3 ( thats 400 books spread over 3 drops ) - However I'm confident that when I go round with orders to that area I can get those 3 back.

These early losses are the part people stumble on , but this is no ordinary *job* it's a distributorship owned by yourself, so early investment will pay huge dividend later. I've had ups and downs - soem areas produced few orders even though I went back 5 times yet now I only go to the customers and not to every house - and whole areas that would take weeks to cover I can do in one drop plus the fact that all these people are regular customers (they may not order every time but 1 out of 3 do and the average is £10).

I've done this even though there are other Kleeneze agents in the area plus betterware - someone who didn't want to do more or was just happy with £200 a month would after 6 months be doing a tiny fraction of the work they needed at the beginning - no more posting to every door just those that want them , plus as you get well known customers become very loyal. Now I've enjoyed this and grew my round huge by endlessly going to new areas and building new customers there is however a way to build a business with Kleeneze that will give even bigger rewards - Sponsorship.

I'll cover this later as I am going out to put some books out!

Hi all, I quite forgot to put on here how you go about actually ordering the stuff from Kleeneze! . They have a distributors website that you put in the order numbers the customers write on their order forms, it all goes to the main Kleeneze HQ computer and your account (with it's free £500 credit limit) is debited with the cost , minus your profit. So when the stuff is delivered you put the orders together and take it to the customers charging the catalogue price . You pay Kleeneze the cost of the goods and keep the rest!

Easy!

Betterware and Kleeneze are different. We are more about selling goods than recruiting other people. It's more of a job with Betterware a manager see's you once a week etc. Plus we don't charge for anything (which i'm sure must be Kleeneze's main income!!)

Betterware and Kleeneze are different. We are more about selling goods than recruiting other people. It's more of a job with Betterware a manager see's you once a week etc. Plus we don't charge for anything (which i'm sure must be Kleeneze's main income!!)But you still only get paid commision,and no chance of earning anything extra.Thats because your manager gets it all.Could you earn £2000 a month doing Betterware,NO.there are a lot of agents with Kleeneze earning £2000 a month.Thats the difference.www.eze2go.com/116605 Kleeneze is a business opportunity so it's your own business i haven't got someone on my back all the time saying do this do that like you have with your manager.I do what i want and can go where i want,you can't.
You don't recruit but your manager does,WHY,so he/she can earn more money.

I know Sheffield isn't an island. You could equally say each of those cities has it own 3 agents on level 1 operating the 3x3x3 system, and so will Leeds, Worksop, etc.

While you may branch out in their areas, they no doubt also branch into yours (Sheffield).

The end result stays the same - swings and roundabout as it were.

I think I call it a day in this thread - I've learnt a lot and I think our collective information give other people a better understanding how MLM works and give them a chance to make their own decisions.

It'll work for some based on very hard work and equally a lot of luck.Hi John.LUCK has got nothing to do with it.

But you still only get paid commision,and no chance of earning anything extra.Thats because your manager gets it all.Could you earn £2000 a month doing Betterware,NO.there are a lot of agents with Kleeneze earning £2000 a month.Thats the difference.www.eze2go.com/116605 Kleeneze is a business opportunity so it's your own business i haven't got someone on my back all the time saying do this do that like you have with your manager.I do what i want and can go where i want,you can't.
You don't recruit but your manager does,WHY,so he/she can earn more money.

According to the testimonials on the link you provided there is the potential to earn a lot of money. For example, Chris and Wendy are on 167K a year!

"Being involved with such a large company offers huge peace of mind for the future.”
"Current pre-tax net income £167,000 pa"

Sounds good, It doesn't mention however that they own the company.

On the website of another wonderful money making venture that they run, they are listed as earning 287k a year. http://www.mibinternational.net/421815/

I would be deeply sceptical of any schemes buisiness that delibrately sets out to mislead people with impossible figures and personally I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

just my opinion of course, please make your own decisions.

The Idea of wondering the streets and knocking on peoples door who are not always happy to have things pushed through the letter box doesnt sound great to me!!! Their are so many other great idea's to earn extra cash like that where you can stay nice and warm. I currently work for a well know brand of party plan and have done for 3 years its the best thing I have done. Ensure you research into what options are out there also ensure you look at how much you have to pay to join, do you get a kit with kleenzee or betterware? If not what is the £150 for???

According to the testimonials on the link you provided there is the potential to earn a lot of money. For example, Chris and Wendy are on 167K a year!



Sounds good, It doesn't mention however that they own the company.

On the website of another wonderful money making venture that they run, they are listed as earning 287k a year. http://www.mibinternational.net/421815/

I would be deeply sceptical of any schemes buisiness that delibrately sets out to mislead people with impossible figures and personally I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

just my opinion of course, please make your own decisions.Who told you they own the company?Kleeneze is part of a £600 million PLC.They are just distributors like everyone else.who have worked hard at their business.The mib group is the name of their group within Kleeneze.What makes you say they are impossible figures.If you want to contact kleeneze 01254 304171 and ask them they will verify these figures.

The Idea of wondering the streets and knocking on peoples door who are not always happy to have things pushed through the letter box doesnt sound great to me!!! Their are so many other great idea's to earn extra cash like that where you can stay nice and warm. I currently work for a well know brand of party plan and have done for 3 years its the best thing I have done. Ensure you research into what options are out there also ensure you look at how much you have to pay to join, do you get a kit with kleenzee or betterware? If not what is the £150 for???It's Kleeneze and it's for the KIT which contains 200 catalogues and all the paper work you need to run the business.

It's Kleeneze and it's for the KIT which contains 200 catalogues and all the paper work you need to run the business.

Lot of money for a KIT of just catalogues and paper work!! The company I work for ask for £95 however you get over £550 worth of products.

OMG I can't believe Kleeneze still exists.. My upline was really helpful at first, but he soon turned nasty when I couldnt attend the monthly meetings although I had been to loads and they were all the same. My upline stopped supporting me. Then he became aggressive when I bought a new car (which was my goal) just cos he couldnt afford to buy his TT.. I told him i was quitting to go into property, he said ''anyone can do that'' when i asked if he could buy a house, he soon shut up. In my 1st few months of property, I earned £1000's, unlike my sponsor who was earning £1000ish a month. You have to be a millionaire to start Kleeneze to make money. They dont tell you at the initial meeting that you have to have MLM messaging service, have to have 100's cards and leaflets made, all the phone calls to people wanting to join your team. The money wasted when customers dont take your order even though you've paid for it but cant claim it back instead its put into a Kleeneze account. The list is endless as to why not to join them. I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT

I've come to an understanding in my 40 years either the world of business or life itself...that

a) People either blame who showed them the business.

b) They either blame government or recession.

c) They either blame the industry.

d) Their either blame family and lack of education and everything else, even the weather.

e) They want some confirmation from society that it works. Heres something. Society, and anyone else, can take a flying leap for all I care.

f) And how they never got funding and funding ran out. Anything they can blame, they'll blame.

Personally, go up Kleeneze level, and I know someone will be making more than you. Go to any other major companies of MLM, and there will be someone who makes more money than you.

Go to properties business, and someone will laugh at you and make more money than you. Who cares?

Why compare anyway? Why compare yourself to someone else and why even laugh at someone else's misery or even their lack of success, or not making more than you.

Same goes in my industry, network marketing/internet marketing. And any industry?

ANY BUSINESS...if anyone is to step in the business world, no matter what industry, traditonal or network marketing, and mlm, and they are looking for secret or someone who make you rich, and think in one year.

And everyone will agree it works, and everyone in any city, including family, friends, are going to suddenly cheer you on and that many will not fail, and everyone is great... THEN ...I DON'T RECOMMEND IT. Period.

I mean this for ANY business. And anyone who says don't do it. Tell them to take a friggin hike and go back to what their doing.

Usually, it be someone who failed in that industry or got hurt, angry, dissappointed or whatever...by someone or whatever the case maybe.

Make your own decision and find the facts. Forget what someone else says. Especially someone who failed in it in first place and now gloats how much more they make.

That's not entrepreneurship and it doesn't belong in business. Period. That's what makes business industry stinks.

I endorse any business, that gives someone the chance to get off their butt and make something of themselves and it's legal. And get off the damn dole. But it will take work. Hard work and smart thinking too, and gaining more skills and training. Consistency and focus like crazy.

I don't care if it's Kleeneze, Amway, Herbalife, or whatever it is, or traditional business like property, shop, IT etc... Just get the facts yourself because everyone else, is only going to tell you THEIR opinion.

And when opinion is FREE, people give it through their own experience and leaving the part they don't like you to know. It's human nature. Everyone wants to suddenly be an expert.

Hi John.LUCK has got nothing to do with it.

Agreed on that one.

Agreed on that one.

This business model involves blind targetting of your market audience.

I would say it is bad luck if you spent a whole week posting books in letter boxes on City Road only to find that you got ZERO sales for your hard work because someone else was on that patch only 3 weeks ago.

In any case, it is down to pure luck because you have zero control of what the outcome is going to be from one street to the next until you get the orders in. As such it is possible to get zero sales one week and then £200 worth of sales the following next week.

The MLM business model swings from extreme saturation to being not so saturated. When extreme saturation cycle comes into play, people give up and it wouldn't surprise me if many leave at the same time simply because there isn't enough customers to go around. That is the only reason why this business model won't collapse.

If you happen to join the scheme at the point heading toward extreme saturation, chances are, you are more likely to fail compared to when it at the other end of the saturation scale. Your timing getting in the right point in this cycle is based on luck unless you got access to kleeneze database of all its members which I doubt you'll ever get.

As for betaware, I believe the MLM is more controlled and only the upline is making all the money.

Kleeneze is the best and most powerfull networked business in existance
After 5 years I have given up my J.O.B as I now earn more part time
Yes there are Victor Meldrews on every street but we find them out very quickly and do not invite them into our shop, so we end up with all the nice people as our clientelle, the grumps go to the local shops and give their negative comments there.
As for Betterware being the cheaper way to do business, most betterware agents canot be bothered going back again for their books because they are "free", in fact their books are paid for through a lower profit margin.
All my customers are delighted with the service they get, and that is free promp delivery (2-4 days), money back or exchange , service with a smile
Has anyone tried getting money back from Argos? you will find it very difficult and frustrating.
Anyone needing information about becoming a Kleeneze agent
Tel 0800 652 5600

Kleeneze is the best and most powerfull networked business in existance


lol @ you.

fail

i have done betterware and kleenze, in my opinion kleenze was much better and everybody there i loved, the do buisness confrences on some evening so maybe going along to one of them would be ideal?also, this thing about getting people to join?well you can do that from da 1 and there is no such think as a kleenze manager comign to see you, it would have been the person who signed you up?or the person helping you with your buisness?i havent done it for a while as i met my ex at a kleeneze confrence when i had just earned my10% i then fe pregnant and he stole all my money from my buisness so when i have finaly payed it back to kleeneze due to that git, then i will deffinatly be goig back, lol good luckxx

Mumsaz
When you are ready to start again, contact me on 0800 652 5600
we have monthly meetings in Sheffield which I am always in attendance
We are the best supported group in Kleeneze and I will help you all the way to gold distributer

Yes - I worked as a Kleeneze distributor about 6 years ago with the intention of building the network.

Follwed the advice and system of my sponsors to the letter and built up a big retail business with regular customers. Only thing was I didn't manage to find people with the same vision so did not manage to build the network though I know this is possible.

I ended up passing all my customers onto my own distributor (the guy I used to buy from before I joined up myself). Obviously he was delighted.

The system works you just have to work it but there is a time limit as to what you can dedicate to it before deciding that the networking side of things is not happening. I couldn't go on forever .....

I love the cataloge and the products but would not go down this road again personally as its the second time I have been involved in a network marketing business with exactly the same result. Built a big retail business but the networking never took off - exactly the same result in the other networking business as well.

Have now turned my attention to other areas of investment where I do not have to rely on building a network of other 'like minded people' - I just rely on myself which in my opinion is the better option for myself.

susan was my sponser but havent heard from her since i left but still speak to a couple of others, all i can say is doing kleeneze was the best time of my life, i worked hard and felt realy rewarded, and supported earning my own money, i absalutly loved it, and also if it wasent for kleeneze i wouldent have my son as even though his dad was complete git one of these what wants to join but becouse they think its a get rich quick, he dident believe in it and brought me down with him i still dont regret it or i wouldent have my son, the kleeneze baby pmsl, i already have somebody who has been doing it for years foggymarsh and has done realy reay realy well, and is a realy good friend so i will be contacting her when i can come back hun sorry but thank you for the offerx

Heh all you ex kleeneze/betterware people
How about no catalogue posting/pick up! No goods delivery. No cash handling.
Ethical, green company. try OneWay2Go.co.uk and follow the links

I currently work as a Kleeneze agent. THERE ARE NO LOCAL/REGIONAL MANAGERS.

The opportunity to - work - when and where I want- with NO BOSS and NO TARGETS - I decide - how I run this business.

Each agent can choose - to earn A LITTLE - OR A LOT!

We have regular meetings for those who wish to make a living from this opportunity.

With regard to the people who do not wish to receive a catalogue - I can only apologise . Unlike Avon reps - we do not have set rounds.

But - lets be fair - how difficult is it for you to put a note in the catalogue pack - saying you are not interested.

PLEASE - Take a look at the opportunity and decide for yourself

email panamadip16@yahoo.co.uk

Ian