From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3615379.stm) " Trevor Phillips wants an end to the term 'multiculturalism'
The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) is to block grants to ethnic minority projects that fail to promote "Britishness" and integration. "

Hi ho! Kermit The Frog here!

Too right!

Trevor Phillips has always has his head on right. A very sensible move for everyone. :-)

When in Rome do as the Romans do?

Sounds like good old fashioned common sence to me.

Sounds good to me too. This is an extension of the points I was trying to make in the 'I'm not racist but' thread. By treating people separately and being PC to the point that no-one knows what they can or can't say anymore without offending someone somewhere from some separate multicultural group that it gets silly (and that's not to say that I say things deliberatley to cause offense as I was accused of doing), this idea seems to be trying to forget all that and aim to think of the nation as one i.e. british. Not black, white, asian, just plain old british. It shouldn't matter what colour or culture you are from. Be interesting to see what happens.

and about bloody time too!!!!!:thumbsup:

The results of this will be interesting to see don't you think?
For a long time we've acknowledged other races and practices only for our own to be forgotten. The US, I think, could teach us a thing or two in this instance.

Yes and dammit if they don't want to call themselves British and dress like the British and talk like the British and celebrate all the British holidays they can just damn well move back to where they came from....if they want to live like they're in Pakraqkendia why did they come here.

:rolleyes:

genesiscouch, you should probably read this: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

Yup that's exactly correct. However the site fails to mention two very important things, first, it assumes the user is engaging in an argument and secondly it fails to remark that it is an excellent rhetorical device.

:thumbsup:

Genesis couch-thing, What about all the countries that the Americans and British are occupying at the moment. Lets take Iraq for example, The British jumped on the band wagon to brown-nose to Bush, they bombed the country into eternity, killed thousands of civilians, pretended they were looking for WoMD, finally caught the man they wanted and now wont leave till a govt they pick & choose ( mainly one who will provide oil in the future ) is in place, are making laws and generally getting in the way of the Iraqi people.

They wont do as the Iraqi's do so why then dont they go back to Ameringland or wherever they came from?

errr... Not sure what you mean? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in relation to my post...:confused: If you're writing in response to my first post, I was being sarcastic there right?

Apologies if i didn't understand your unique brand of sarcasm, it sounded a little too offensive to be anything but funny.

I suppose that says something about me when I can't even master the lowest form of wit :)

Anyways, I'm off to my CRE sponsored class which is supposed to teach me proper dry sarcastic comments. The rumor is that if I don't pass my year-end British cultural assimilation test they take away my visa :(

Originally posted by Tony
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3615379.stm) " Trevor Phillips wants an end to the term 'multiculturalism'
The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) is to block grants to ethnic minority projects that fail to promote "Britishness" and integration. "

Yep sorry but i agree. I think for once thing should work in our favour, and minoritys should see how this country works for us and not for them. It would be the same in any other country.

Fuzzy, I'm not sure it's about "Us" and "Them", more about recognising that being "British" is a unique thing that is something to be proud of for all sorts of reasons. It's not a stick to beat minorities because we think that we are better.

I'm very proud to live here... proud of our history, our inginuity, our tolerance, our .. heck, the simple fact that we have achieved so much as one of the smallest countries in the world! That's a great thing to be a part of and we should let people join our GREAT Britain and make it even better!

That's a great thing to be a part of and we should let people join our GREAT Britain and make it even better! ?

Minorities dont want to be British, they just want the benefits that go with it. Had you not noticed that some minorities look down on the culture which provides for them.

I never said we were better than them.

I said it would be nice for our country to work for the benefit of the British people and not bend over backwards and tell British people we have to work to the ways of others for a change.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Minorities dont want to be British, they just want the benefits that go with it.
Utter tripe.

Originally posted by fuzzy
I never said we were better than them.
Apologies fuzzy, I didn't mean to say that you did.

Originally posted by fuzzy
I said it would be nice for our country to work for the benefit of the British people and not bend over backwards and tell British people we have .
I think that is the CRE's point.

No its not tripe, its what people that I speak to on a day to day basis are starting to realise.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
No its not tripe, its what people that I speak to on a day to day basis are starting to realise.

That says more about the company you keep than the validity of your comment.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
That's a great thing to be a part of and we should let people join our GREAT Britain and make it even better! ?

Minorities dont want to be British, they just want the benefits that go with it. Had you not noticed that some minorities look down on the culture which provides for them.

Laughable as always sunshine!

That would be normal working class folk, and some middle class. Not red shoe wearing allotment grovelling left wing, idle, socialist worker, tree hugging vegetarian types that are good at thinking and talking but let everyone else do the work. Forgot teachers who whinge about marking books during the 12 weeks holidays during which time my local is full of them reading the guardian.

Dragon

Originally posted by dragonsoup
That would be normal working class folk, and some middle class. Not red shoe wearing allotment grovelling left wing, idle, socialist worker, tree hugging vegetarian types that are good at thinking and talking but let everyone else do the work. Forgot teachers who whinge about marking books during the 12 weeks holidays during which time my local is full of them reading the guardian.

Dragon

You like your stereotypes, dont you

Like your stereotypes,

Bang and Olufsen, playing Stereophonics!

and p.s. I'll tell you whats really amazing about deep thoughts is...fu.k all ever gets done

think you've lost the plot a bit really.
No change there then!

Not really, just a bit more random than some of you people who will follow a thread even if it leads up your own ar.e. Thats you lot then ..threadworms.

random is not what i would call one of the most consistantly predictable people on this forum.

Glad you are paying attention.

you really don't like it when people disagree with you dragonsoup.

and then you rubbish anyone who purports to think. Are you're working and middle class friends incapable of deep thought? Or do they just choose not to think and talk issues through before making a decision?

You hit the nail on the head there cycleracer.Yes they are more likely to actually do things, i.e. work as in building things, make engineering components, something to create the cash to pay people to sit on their arses all day,than sit and think (as in the Rodin statue ,but with constipation).

Originally I mangled your name here, but you appear to have just mistaken me for another user with a similar username.
I find that I can work and think at the same time. Or that I can think after hours.

Having opinions with little or no thought to back them up is not a position of strength to argue from.

Dont know about the after hours stuff and mangling, of names? (you smoking spliff) All I can say is that I see it as a conversation, not an argument .

Originally posted by dragonsoup
You hit the nail on the head there cycleracer.Yes they are more likely to actually do things, i.e. work as in building things, make engineering components, something to create the cash to pay people to sit on their arses all day,than sit and think


I think you'll find that the people who are the most valuable on this planet are the ones who are capable of deep thought. ie the great engineers of the world, who without, we'd still be living in caves. The people who can think the hardest, tend to do more for our society. true they may not have a typical office job, like yourself maybe, but they're the ones that change our world for the better. i thank god that i'm a deep thinker.

ps, that doesn't mean i believe in a god, just a manner of speaking.

Dont make me larf!
How many bridges did you build today, Brunel mk. 2 . Now go and complain to the mods again thats the sum of your DEEP THINKING.
or maybe that was the tunell under Bristol channel.

And how many bridges did you make?
You miss the point. the fact is, the ones that change our environment and society are the ones that thought outside of the bubble that we live in. ie thought deeply. Do you deny that the great thinkers of our world are the ones resposible for the greatest change?
If you really believe we got where we are today by limited thought, you are a clown!

Ps. i didn't understand you comment about 'complaing to the mods again'. I'm sorry if i missed it, but when was the last time I complained to the mods?

bridges. designed by people who can think? I hope so.

Hmmm well dragonsoup, who do you think designed and developed the things that you and your oh so worthy (according to you) manual worker friends are making? Maybe it's a good job you don't need to do a lot of thinking? :P

Sorry Tony but you have assumed that my working class freinds are manual workers, its not good to generalise in this way as has been pointed out to me before on this forum . They do work though as in providing for themselves and familly and expect no hand outs from the state.
Andy 78, think as much as you like pal but at the end of the day youll have to get up off your backside. I mean this to be freindly advice as you are still young.

i hope that if they are out building bridges then they are manual workers. otherwise i'm taking the long way around.

You don't really seem to have a consistant opinion to try to get across to us, you just don't like people who think. Explain to me why i'm wrong.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Sorry Tony but you have assumed that my working class freinds are manual workers, its not good to generalise in this way as has been pointed out to me before on this forum . They do work though as in providing for themselves and familly and expect no hand outs from the state.
Andy 78, think as much as you like pal but at the end of the day youll have to get up off your backside. I mean this to be freindly advice as you are still young.

And trust me, I have worked for this country more than you may think. i may be a student now, but that doesn't mean that I always was. Being in the royal navy taught me a lot about life. I'm now in uni to further my horizons, so to speak.
As i keep saying, just because some of us like to think, doesn't mean that we can't work. I believe it just makes our work more worthy.
you mentioned brunel; Do you really think he wasn't a great thinker? Of course he was!

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Sorry Tony but you have assumed that my working class freinds are manual workers, its not good to generalise in this way as has been pointed out to me before on this forum . They do work though as in providing for themselves and familly and expect no hand outs from the state.

So what did this statement mean then?
Originally posted by dragonsoup
You hit the nail on the head there cycleracer.Yes they are more likely to actually do things, i.e. work as in building things, make engineering components, something to create the cash to pay people to sit on their arses all day,than sit and think (as in the Rodin statue ,but with constipation).
That looks suspiciously like you saying your friends are manual workers?

Originally posted by dragonsoup
do work though as in providing for themselves and familly and expect no hand outs from the state.
Glad to hear it. Are you suggesting that thinkers need state handouts especially, unlike your manual worker friends?

Originally posted by dragonsoup
No its not tripe, its what people that I speak to on a day to day basis are starting to realise. It's only ever the native-born majority white folk of Britain that I see living off benefits and actually claiming all sorts of unemployment/disability benefits while still working, so what point you tryina make???

Originally posted by Cyclone
bridges. designed by people who can think? I hope so.

Not always,but they get there with help from other. ;)