At last, 10years after installation, the council have at last seen sence (well nearly) & decided that the tram gate at hillsbro doesn't need to be 24 hrs.
Now it needs to realise it doesn't need to be 12 hours operational either!!!
Well done sheffield council!!!

where did you hear about this? have they actually changed it?

It was on radio sheff on monday

But it's been rumbling on for ages about how they're going to make it 7 til 7, it must be well over a year since they first decided this; it was even on some of the election flyers, I think.

Time they actually did something.

And you're right - why does it need to be 7 til 7 at the weekend, for example, when the tram doesn't even start running till much later in the morning.

The trams run before 07:00 at weekends.

AS far as I can see there might as well have been no restrictions. With the amount of vehicles that ignore the tram gate. It is to be hoped that whatever restrictions are decided on, that they are enforced. I note that cameras are to be fitted, but not till later in the year

Could someone please tell me what the problem is with going through the tram gates.

I just don't see what the problem is?

Surely not being able to drive straight through causes traffic to travel further to get where they need to be, resulting in more congestion and pollution.

we've covered that in previous threads. the problem of driving through it is that it causes the jams on all the other roads because the lights can't tell the difference between a bus and someone ignoring the gate.

It has been covered on other thread already...but

I couldn't help noticing the eerie silence as we got out of our car at the aquatic shop at Langsett on Saturday...that was after we had just spent ages in queueing traffic on penistone road all the way from town.

I welcome having the freedom to use the roads we pay for once again :)

The trams run before 07:00 at weekends.

According to the Supertram timetable the first tram from Middlewood on Sunday morning is at 7.46. Actually.

According to the Supertram timetable the first tram from Middlewood on Sunday morning is at 7.46. Actually.

Haha. I've not heard anyone say "Actually" like that since I was in school.

Its 6am on Saturday. Fact.

I've been a big supporter of the tram gates in other threads, but I can see how opening them up out of peak hours is definately a good plan. As long as it is enforced within the hours.

It has been covered on other thread already...but

I couldn't help noticing the eerie silence as we got out of our car at the aquatic shop at Langsett on Saturday...that was after we had just spent ages in queueing traffic on penistone road all the way from town.

I welcome having the freedom to use the roads we pay for once again :)

But why queue all the way on Penistone Rd to get to the aquatic shop on Langsett Rd. There are at least 3 turnoffs up to Infirmary/Langsett Rd that will lead you to the shop.

Beansforyou
Sorry I may have misread your post. I thought you were referring to the aquatic shop on Langsett Rd. I assume you mean a shop in Langsett Village?

[QUOTE=LL200]Haha. I've not heard anyone say "Actually" like that since I was in school.

Its 6am on Saturday. Fact.

;)

Haha. I've not heard anyone say "Fact" like that since...well, David Brent.
Sorry, my first post, trying to quote earlier post but didn't quite work as intended!

Sorry it was my mistake, we were travelling towards town from Middlewood end, we were going to Town afterwards.

the council announced yesterday that they will go through with the plans to enforce the 12 hour ban from 7am to 7pm. what do people think of this? will it really make a difference anyway? i went there today and didnt understand what was going on - the signs were very confusing! whats the sitation at the moment?

the council announced yesterday that they will go through with the plans to enforce the 12 hour ban from 7am to 7pm. what do people think of this? will it really make a difference anyway? i went there today and didnt understand what was going on - the signs were very confusing! whats the sitation at the moment?

Ther is already a post running on this subject see a little further down the page

Mod Note: Threads Merged

Being a resident of one of the houses off Rudyard road (in the middle of the tram gates) i'm in mixed minds about this.

We had a leaflet come through with the proposed action and thier will be traffic cams there and anyone going through the "gate" "illegally" will incur a £70 fine via a computer system.

Well for us that isnt a bad thing, as it can take 20 minutes to get out onto middlewood road sometimes.

BUT!!!!

They wont grant access to residents in the middle of the tram gates!!!! Has the world gone mad? So if i was coming from walkley instead of turning onto langsett road then onto rudyard, i'd have to either

Negatiate the traffic on holme lane where you cant turn right, so i would have to go all the way round the one way sytem then go down to the roundabout on bradfield road then come back up the same road, then turn onto langsett road (again), then rudyard.

Or

Go onto langsett, round morrisons, onto penistone road, then up bradfield road then onto langsett (again)..

Wheres the fu**ing sense in that!?!?!??!?!!?!

If i get a fine, you'll have to take it out of the petrol bill i want from the council for the extra couple of miles i have to drive everyday for a journey which is 100 meters without the gates.

Steve - this isn't really a valid argument. Anybody who wants to go through Hillsborough could say the same thing. "I only want to go from Middlewood Road to Maplin - I have to go right round..." etc.

Anyone wanting to go from Walkey into Hillsborough will have to do the same journey as you - why should you be different just because you live -within- the tram gates?

There are streets all over the country that have been blocked off at one end to stop rat-running. Residents in those streets have to be inconvenienced too.

Although I do feel for you in a way, think of the benefits.

Steve - this isn't really a valid argument. Anybody who wants to go through Hillsborough could say the same thing. "I only want to go from Middlewood Road to Maplin - I have to go right round..." etc.

Anyone wanting to go from Walkey into Hillsborough will have to do the same journey as you - why should you be different just because you live -within- the tram gates?

There are streets all over the country that have been blocked off at one end to stop rat-running. Residents in those streets have to be inconvenienced too.

Although I do feel for you in a way, think of the benefits.


My arguement is that i'm not just nipping here of there. I want to go home.

And what benefits am i experiencing???? the inconvenience? the extra 3-4 miles travel potentially on certain days???? the time spent in traffic on penistone road????? will i get a petrol rebate for the extra few miles travel almost everyday???? i dont think i will.:hihi:

Sounds swell to me.:loopy: :huh:

I think its aimed to make people use public transport which i already use for work. i just think it will just make traffic matters worse on other roads like penistone road for example, which is abismal to say the least at rush hour.

Steve, I have it on good authority that the reason that Rudyard Road residents cannot have an exemption is due to the type of cctv system they are planning to install. The same system will be used to police bus lanes throughout the city, eventually, and the only way that exemptions can be granted is to have registration details of exempted vehicles stored on the system. Doing this for the residents of Rudyard Road would also allow them to use the bus lanes without incurring a fine.

there are benefits for you - you'll get out of your road easier for one.

unless i drive down a different penistone road, i really dont see -major- holdups. sure, its busy - where isn't at rush hour? but its never half as horrendous as people make out.

(its also not 3-4 miles further).

Anybody who wants to go through Hillsborough could say the same thing. "I only want to go from Middlewood Road to Maplin - I have to go right round..." etc.

We could. And indeed we do. And we have been ever since the council imposed this ridiculous system, the only purpose of which is to force motorists to drive a large distance on totally unsuitable backstreets in order to get the ten yards to where they want to go.

The purpose isn't to force you to drive long distances - it's to get you there quicker. If the gate is enforced and the traffic around the area starts to flow much more freely the journey times will be cut. I work near Crystal Peaks, on more than one odd occasion when I've driven back from work it's taken 20 minutes to get to Bradfield Road but then 25 minutes to get across the junction to Holme Lane. I welcome the enforcement.
The few extra hundred yards those who live on Rudyard Road have to drive will be more than cancelled out by the reduction in journey times.
Don't know if it's relevant but there's people sat in cars doing a traffic survey there as I type.

Where's jgharston ? He had a letter in the star asking for opinions today :huh:

agreed hotphil - longer distance doesn't necessarily mean longer times or increased pollution. impatience is the problem here. and a degree of selfishness too i think.

How does making me drive a longer distance to get where I need to go, not necessarily mean increased pollution?

And if there's any degree of selfishness, it's being shown by Stagecoach and First, who just want the road to themselves so they can make more money. They are commercial operations, not public-spirited benefactors, and they should take their place on the road with everyone else.

The only way to get a true answer to the tram -gate problem is to obey the new restrictions when they come into force. This will then proove one way or another if the traffic moves better or not. Ignoring the restriction is to completely waste everybodies time and will proove nothing

The only way to get a true answer to the tram gate problem is to obey the new restrictions when they come into force. This will then proove one way or another if the traffic moves better or not. Ignoring the restriction is to completely waste everybodies time and will proove nothing

So just when will these new measures come into being?

How does making me drive a longer distance to get where I need to go, not necessarily mean increased pollution?
By the fact your engine's only running for half the time I guess.

Sorry to revive a hibernating thread, but are police cars supposed to obey bus lanes, tram gates etc? I always assumed they were meant to follow rules of the road unless in an emergency situation, but going both to and from work this morning I followed a police car merrily trundling through (also ignoring a "no left turn" one way). I'd rather see them pulling over other naughty people than doing the same themselves :)

I'm not that bothered about the cops driving through the bus gate, to be honest - and as a repeat bus gate user/abuser in the past I now steadfastedly don't risk it now/add to the congestion by 'just nipping through'.

However this morning I was shocked at the age it took to get from the Blue Ball, around Hillsborough Corner and up to the bus station - it really took a very long time today. Had I abandoned the car and we'd all walked it would have been quicker (you always realise this when its too late ;) ) - I also noticed to my frustration that there were lots of cars turning right coming from Malin Bridge? :confused: And, of course, piling through the tram gate from Middlewood Road : town.

To use the tram on a return journey from Middlewood to Hillsborough would be £2.40 a journey, which would mean nearly £5 a day. Fuel in a car is probably about £1 a day to get the same A-B. Thats why I am loathe to use the tram...

To use the tram on a return journey from Middlewood to Hillsborough would be £2.40 a journey, which would mean nearly £5 a day. Fuel in a car is probably about £1 a day to get the same A-B. Thats why I am loathe to use the tram...

I think if you really do the maths properly, you'll find this a very inaccurate statement.

This is an interesting webpage from the AA, showing costs per mile to run a car in 2005. You'll see that, at the very least, its 23p per mile. So for £1, you'll get (at best) 4 miles out of your car. 2 miles there, 2 miles back. And if you're only going that far, you should be walking :)

http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/advice/advice_rcosts_petrol_table.jsp

Yeh... middlewood to hillsborough is hardly a trek now is it? Also a day ticket is about £2.70? This would enable you to use the tram as much as you liked in that day. So it isn't as much as what you said.

Hurray!! My parents live in Hillsborough and I live in town, and I begrudge having to drive an extra 10 minutes to get somewhere 2 minutes away!

My Dad ignores the tram gates away from the rush hour, and why shouldn't he? Why should the people that live there have to drive round - if Hillsborough was a pretty predestrian area then it would be understandable, but it is a long way from being like that!

I think if you really do the maths properly, you'll find this a very inaccurate statement
No, I think if you do your maths properly - you'll find this a very inaccurate statement. I know how much fuel I put in the car per week, and I know how many miles I get out of that amount of fuel. :)

Yeh... middlewood to hillsborough is hardly a trek now is it? Also a day ticket...
Ooh, meeow! :P Actually, the calculations included a second person who therefore would need a day ticket bought for them also. And I don't need to go anywhere else via tram during the rest of the day!

And if you're only going that far, you should be walking
Yeh, I would do and have done - but I really don't think the children would appreciate being dragged all that way on foot. :rolleyes:

No, I think if you do your maths properly - you'll find this a very inaccurate statement. I know how much fuel I put in the car per week, and I know how many miles I get out of that amount of fuel.

car ownership isn't just about fuel costs. car tax alone is about 25p per day even if you dont use it. insurance is probably more than double that again. anyway, slightly off topic :)

Where's jgharston ? He had a letter in the star asking for opinions today :huh:

I'll try and post this afternoon.

Why 0700 until 1900... Apart the morning and afternoon rush, say 0700 - 1000 and 1600 - 1800 (or 1900 if you want), there's still 1000 - 1600 when traffic is light and the gate shouldn't exist.