Had to laugh this afternoon when I heard that Mick McCarthy got the boot today from Sunderland- probably not laughing as much as Roy Keane though!

McCarthy, for me, has got to be one of the Premier League's worst ever managers: Sunderland's record thus far is 10 points from 28 games and they look set to break their own record from two seasons ago when they were relegated with only 19 points.

Sunderland Chairman Bob Murray said: "I would like to thank Mick McCarthy for his efforts for the club whilst at Sunderland." What effort was that then Bob? Damned if many people do and he went on to say it was "in the best interests of both parties for him to leave immediately", talk about understatement of the year!

So let's hope for the sake of football fans throughout the country this useless t**t doesn't end up at any other clubs in the land! :rant: :rant:

Had to laugh this afternoon when I heard that Mick McCarthy got the boot today from Sunderland- probably not laughing as much as Roy Keane though!

Yet most people questioned Keano's judgement in the world cup!

I'd rather go with Keane's judgement against McCarthy's anyday and especially after today as well.

I think he's bought badly this year but he doesn't deserve some of the crap he'll get or what's been thrown at him. I thought he had nothing more than a average side last year but managed to get them promoted.

He'll get any chance maybe at some Championship club and maybe beat Sunderland next year.

Yet most people questioned Keano's judgement in the world cup!

I'd rather go with Keane's judgement against McCarthy's anyday and especially after today as well.

Knowing Keane's committment to Ireland, he didn't make the decision to tackle McCarthy and his handling of the World Cup arrangements lightly.

IMO McCarthy has proved that he has been punching above his weight for some time. He brought Sunderland up as Champions and from memory he had a similar amount to spend on players as the other two promoted clubs, West Ham and Wigan. The results, ie the points totals of the three clubs, speak volumes: in the top flight McCarthy cannot cut it, he has made a whole crop of poor buys while two managers of less experience have shown him how to buy on a budget.

Obviously the Chairman and board must also share some responsibility, they have behaved like amateurs in their handling of the club finances for some years now.

I know the general feeling in Ireland on the Keane - McCarthy spat and it is that Keane was probably correct. The FAI have some funny ways of doing things. He just went about it at the wrong time and place.
I think one of the worst appointments Sunderland made was McMenemy, a man with plenty to say, but a man who made a real mess of things. Peter Reid seems to be popular - personally I can't stand him - and a lot of problems arose during his tenure.
McCarthy looked as if he'd given up the ghost. The players just aren't up to that level required in the Premiership and have made some bad mistakes, like the first goal at Man.C. I wouldn't write MM off, but I wouldn't touch the Sunderland job having to work alongside Murray.

i think the record of 37 games played, 31 games lost says everything for mccarthy

At this stage of the season got to be the worst performance in the top flight since the Blades in 1975/76.

At this stage of the season got to be the worst performance in the top flight since the Blades in 1975/76.
nah, its the worst since they was last in the top flight (sunderland)

Personally I think it's disgraceful. Let's not forget he got Sunderland into the Premiership in the first place...what exactly were the Sunderland fans expecting???
Granted, his record doesn't exactly inspire confidence but what exactly has his sacking achieved??..they won't stay up anyway regardless of who is in charge and knowing McCarthy's previously proven skills in the lower divisions it strikes me that he would actually be a good manager to have to get them back up, and maybe then BEFORE a season starts you can consider the right options for a premiership season.
For me the chairman has to take just as much responsibility for their plight, but all to often they hide behind the manager and pull off a sacking to deflect the potential flak.
Bob Murray employed Mick McCarthy (as he did Peter Ried), both of which have failed to cement their position in the Premiership so who exactly has made a mess of things??....let's not forget we never know the boardroom arguments that go on behind the scenes..funds for players etc..did McCarthy get all the support he needed???
Whilst being nice never gets you far in this day and age I have to say the manner in which Mick McCarthy conducts himself (as he did yesterday) is a credit to the game..take note Jose Mourinho and he should be applauded for his honesty and integrity.
I'd be inclined to agree that he probably isn't Premiership class but i would imagine he would do a great job for a Championship or First Division side

Wasn't it Jim Smith that was called the Bald Eagle???

I'd agree with that balanced view, WIBBLES, and wonder what temporary boss Kevin Ball will do to improve on McCarthy's efforts given the paucity of talent in the squad? I've never heard MM called 'the bald eagle' before.
I think McCarthy did well to get Sunderland up because they struggled before that and Howard Wilkinson and Cotterill aren't mugs but soon departed.

Mick McCarthy's head is made of old tables.

Personally I think it's disgraceful. Let's not forget he got Sunderland into the Premiership in the first place...
at his second attempt yes, with a far greater wage budget than the majority of the "championship"

what exactly were the Sunderland fans expecting???

something better than 10 points maybe?? a home win maybe?

knowing McCarthy's previously proven skills in the lower divisions it strikes me that he would actually be a good manager to have to get them back up,

and then sack him IF he gets them promoted?

and maybe then BEFORE a season starts you can consider the right options for a premiership season.

so basically, let someone do all the donkey work, let them get you to the prem then sack them? that really does make sense!!

Bob Murray employed Mick McCarthy (as he did Peter Ried), both of which have failed to cement their position in the Premiership so who exactly has made a mess of things??.

Peter reid did a fantastic job with sunderlandm he did really stabilise them in the prem, for 3 seasons they performed really well, but reid was a victim of his own success in the 4th, in that they was not doing that well (at this point murray was to blame in sacking reid)

wilkinson was a poor manager to get in, as was mccarthy.

Whilst being nice never gets you far in this day and age I have to say the manner in which Mick McCarthy conducts himself (as he did yesterday) is a credit to the game..take note Jose Mourinho and he should be applauded for his honesty and integrity.

yes he should be applauded for his honesty, and to be honest i have a lot of time for mick. but you are right, its not gonna get him nowhere being nice

as for your comments for mourinho, im sick of people getting on his back, the man is a great manager, (yes money has helped, but there is no denying his management ability)

in no way am i a chelsea fan, but whats wrong with a bit of arrogance if you are the best? everyone likes to boast a bit, its just mourinho is more public about it all.

we all feel aggrieved if things go against us, why should mourinho be punished for speaking his mind?

Wasn't it Jim Smith that was called the Bald Eagle???

You're right Wibbles Jim Smith was indeed so-called but in many of the footy forums I frequent, McCarthy has taken over the 'nom-de-plume'. Please find photographic evidence HERE (http://www.disgalaxy.addr.com/Muppets/sam.jpg) and HERE (http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icnewcastle/jul2005/0/1/000932EF-65FA-12DB-88E80C02AC1BF824.jpg)that I think proves him a dead ringer for Sam the Bald Eagle off the Muppets show.:)

Had a thought this afternoon about the state of football in the north-east: Souness's Newcastle lost to Man City in Manchester and he was sacked straight after, obviously the same happened to McCarthy yesterday after losing there- I bet Middlesboro's Steve McClaren is s******g himself about going there in just over 3 weeks time!:hihi:

Just in time to take the England job!!!

Being a sad mackem, I'm only only person with any right to an opinion on this!
Big Mick was great when he took over, he stopped the rot and took us up so we've got plenty to thank him for. And he's always funny on Match of the Day.

What were we expecting? Not to be an embarassment. Would anyone else have done better? Wigan and West Ham invested the same money as us with far better results and I'm not saying we should be chalenging for Europe, just making a decent fist of trying to stay up. It should have happened 3 months ago to give someone else a stab at keeping us up (with the same players though...hmmm). Kevin Ball is a Sunderland legend, so I'm glad he's been given a crack.

I just remember last season, Mick and Steve Bruce being interviewed together after a cup tie. Such a sight has no place on God's earth.

Being a sad mackem, I'm only only person with any right to an opinion on this!
Big Mick was great when he took over, he stopped the rot and took us up so we've got plenty to thank him for. And he's always funny on Match of the Day.

What were we expecting? Not to be an embarassment. Would anyone else have done better? Wigan and West Ham invested the same money as us with far better results and I'm not saying we should be chalenging for Europe, just making a decent fist of trying to stay up. It should have happened 3 months ago to give someone else a stab at keeping us up (with the same players though...hmmm). Kevin Ball is a Sunderland legend, so I'm glad he's been given a crack.

I just remember last season, Mick and Steve Bruce being interviewed together after a cup tie. Such a sight has no place on God's earth.

everyone deserves an opinion regardless of the team you support, as we can all appreciate your position (maybe not to the same unfortunate extent)

as for spending the same amount of money, well west ham spent 7 million on ashton alone (albeit in january) and you only spent 4 million in total, they also spent around 4 million on gabbidon and collins, 2.5 million for benayoun, katan 100k, konchesky 1.5 million and i am probably missing others.

wigan however, camara 3 million, chimbonda i think was 500k, connolly 2 million, francis i think was 500k too, pollitt 200k, scharner 2 million, taylor 750k,

so to suggest he worked under the same constraints is ludicrous, and he would not have been given the same wage budget either.

even with the above though, i dont think he did a good enough job, he signed tottally the wrong players

Yet most people questioned Keano's judgement in the world cup!

I'd rather go with Keane's judgement against McCarthy's anyday and especially after today as well.
Think McCarthy will have the last laugh at the end of the season,Keane.s a bottler. 100% improvement in the last couple of games now he,s gone

Well, it seems McCarthy isn't doing too badly at Wolves.

McCarthy is a decent championship manager but I reckon if he takes Wolves up he will bring them straight back down.

McCarthy is a decent championship manager but I reckon if he takes Wolves up he will bring them straight back down.
Yep, just like United under Warnock.

Bring on Fat Sams blue and white army Boxing day,