Would anyone consider moving to the new estate that's being built in the manor, i think it's called the 'parklands', it looks like a pretty nice area and could be on the up, i've noticed loads of new homes being built up there.

No, I wouldn't advise that at all. The theory behind these cheap, nice looking houses is that people with little knowledge of the Manor estate will come and buy one, bringing new faces to the area... They're soon to be brought down to the same standard as the rest of the area.

No offence to anyone from the estate. I'm just miffed because they're ideal for 1st time buyers (which is what I'll be soon!!) but the area is whats putting me off.

Out of interest, how much are these houses going for?

I bet, even on the Manor, they ain't cheap!

The Manor is nowhere near as bad as its reputation makes out though, it used to be I'll grant you that... But now it's just brought down by stupid little kids whose parents are unemployed and on the dole so they can't afford to teach their kids to behave any better.

People who constantly bring the Manor down do it no favours either!! You lot just rile me!

I can't believe how bad an effect the manor's reputation seems to have on the area around it. Went to look at a house in Castlebeck just the other side of Prince of Wales road to the manor and it was a really nice estate. The house looked fairly new and very nice for a new house, it had 2 large bedrooms and a decent garden and is going for £69,950. Nearly anywhere else in Sheffield this would be going for nearer 100k.

Although when I think about it I was surprised to see a boarded up house on a new estate and there were a lot of smashed windows! So maybe some of the reputation is justified?

well i've been up numerous times to check out the estate and it seems very quiet and the people that live there seem pretty much ok!,

in reply to andy's question...a first floor apartment is £75,000 with fitted kitchens!,

in contrast, look at a place like norfolk park which had (or still may have got) a bad reputation but looking in the property guide the apartments are going for £110,000!, the think the manor does get some pulling down, i'll give chloe that but it's a pretty decent place from what i've seen

Although when I think about it I was surprised to see a boarded up house on a new estate and there were a lot of smashed windows! So maybe some of the reputation is justified?

Yeah, thats exactly what I mean. Those houses on Castlebeck are relatively new (few years old I'd say) but like you say, smashed windows and boarded up houses are what drags them down. In some circumstances jealousy is what it all boils down to. I know someone who's bought a new parklands house and already the kids from the estate are messing up his garden and causing him trouble. It's only because he has something nicer than what they have. Thats why I wouldn't touch one of them houses with a barge pole... :rolleyes:

dont know why alot of people make such a fuss bout the manor. it did use to have a bad reputation.but its nothin like that anymore the area has been regenerated alot and is not actually a bad place to live.
i originaly come from parson cross n have now lived on manor for 2+years its not a bad place ive neva had any problems while i have lived here and everyone is friendly enough.
people jus need to give the area a break and start to view it in a new light instead of the old one.most ares have ther problems not jus this one.

Ahh, so thats why the "Fishponds" walk which covers woodthorpe and manor was the very last to be picked by postmen up at Pit Lane Office?

I was born and brought up on the manor, and I an assure you, there are far, far worse places to live. I lived on the manor itself for 14 years, moved to Manor Park, then Highfields, then Lowedges, and now live on the Arbourthorne. Out of all those, Id say Lowedges was definitley the worst.

And I had my first 'flat' all those years ago (8 yrs ago in fact) for 2 yrs and i never ever had any problems at Lowedes.

Lupton Drive Massive!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by starla
dont know why alot of people make such a fuss bout the manor. it did use to have a bad reputation.but its nothin like that anymore the area has been regenerated alot and is not actually a bad place to live.


Are we talking about the same Manor here, the manor estate, Sheffield, just up from the Parkway, Prince of Wales Road.

Our business has suffered tens of thousands of pounds of damage over the last couple of years. We are now doubling up on staff during out-of-school hours to try and restrict the amount of theft and vandalism we have. Customers are now in the minority in the late evening as they feel too intimidated to come anywhere near. Only a few weeks ago I had to assist a customer to stop his car being stolen by local youths... WHILE HE WAS STILL IN IT, in broad daylight.

We are not the only business like this... where else have you seen a beer-off done up like a prison, except the bars are to keep the criminals OUT and the staff safe INSIDE.

You can say it is only a minority that is like this. We have around 40 regulars who we would rather went elsewhere... that is a little more than a minority.

The popular one at the moment is to stick the button on the crossing up with chewy, then,when the cars are forced to stop at the red light, they are jumped on.

These are not one-off incidents, these are regular occurences, several times each week, if not each day.

i agree there is more trouble down that end but i dont live down there i live at the top end and it is fairly quiet up here. i kno the shop round the corner dfrom me has had some trouble but it is very rare recently that there is any kids outside that shop causin trouble. i have no problem walkin to the shop at nite on my own around this part.

the shops lower down the manor i cannot comment on as i do not go down there as i have no need to.
i was simply placing a comment about the bit on which i live on! x

We are not the only business like this... where else have you seen a beer-off done up like a prison, except the bars are to keep the criminals OUT and the staff safe INSIDE.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is what these poor unsuspecting people are going to be coming to when they buy a parklands house... Infact, they'll be more vulnerable if the women on there think they can carry a handbag in the street etc...

It's not getting better, its getting worse. The manor will always be the manor and I will always be well away from there!

Originally posted by Rich
But now it's just brought down by stupid little kids whose parents are unemployed and on the dole so they can't afford to teach their kids to behave any better.

Since when was teaching good behaviour dependent on money? If anything, being on the dole should give parents the chance to spend more time with their children and raise them better, though I suspect they'd be too busy watching Trisha and This Morning. It costs nothing to teach good behaviour.

When they did the slum clearance in the late 50s, every family had to undergo a humiliating "test" by the council inspectors to see if they were "suitable" for one of the new houses on Gleadless Valley or one of the other new estates.

If you were deemed "unsuitable" (in other words, too "dirty") then you were offered a house on the Manor instead.

Is it any wonder it become as bad as it did, when the flotsam and jetsam of Sheffield was moved there?

My gran lived on the manor many years ago and when we visited it was like entering another world.

Even as a kid, I could tell the place was well dodgy. Every second house seemed to have a cannibalised car up on bricks parked outside. The gardens were overgrown and snotty-nosed, undernourished kids and mangy dogs roamed the streets.

That was 30+ years ago. I haven't been back since, but I'd guess it's got a lot worse.

Originally posted by t020
Since when was teaching good behaviour dependent on money? If anything, being on the dole should give parents the chance to spend more time with their children and raise them better, though I suspect they'd be too busy watching Trisha and This Morning. It costs nothing to teach good behaviour.

Here Here.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Here Here.

Not only that, but Hear, Hear, as well! :)

:D Hehe. Yes that as well :blush:

My excuse is that its too early in the morning for my brain to function at its optimum.

well said t020 that is so true xx

but mojoworkin my kids are not snotty nosed undernourished kids and my garden is not overgrown with a car on bricks on it. not everyone is like that!

Or course not everyone is like that and I meant no offence to you personally. But the council's policy of moving problem families to the Manor has left a legacy that will last a long time.

I did some volunteer youth work on the manor over the half-term holiday and I know this gets thrown around a lot but there really is nothing for the kids to do so they find trouble. We had about 30 7-14 year olds coming every day and we had to turn half of them away becuse we didn't have the facilities. I hadn't been to the manor before, or heard anything about it so went in open minded.

Speaking to a lot of the kids, they're (mostly) well behaved and just want something to do. Lack of opportunity is a big contributing factor. Unfortunately the scheme who organised the youth work has run out of funding and has shut down, which is really disappointing.

I really enjoyed working up there and didn't feel vulnerable walking too and from bus stops. Maybe if I'd read this first I would have done..! Yes we had some trouble (mainly between kids) and yes they all used bad language but I gave them respect and got it straight back.

People need to be going into the area and helping not avoiding it at all costs!

Well if you ask me, people who do pull the Manor down all the time are best to keep away, you're not needed or wanted here.

Originally posted by starla
i agree there is more trouble down that end but i dont live down there i live at the top end and it is fairly quiet up here....
i was simply placing a comment about the bit on which i live on! x

Fair enough, I know that, especially at near the manor top, it is nowhere near as bad as down near the Parkway.

Originally posted by claiireee
I did some volunteer youth work on the manor over the half-term holiday and I know this gets thrown around a lot but there really is nothing for the kids to do so they find trouble.


So what did you have to do that was far more entertaining when you were that age that prevented you from 'finding trouble'. Which activities have been outlawed exactly.

There is far more to do now than when I was younger (and that ain't that long ago), but I was never that bored. Sure, we did some stupid things, even broke things, but not day after day relentlessly and if we thought there was any chance of getting caught, we were off.

Originally posted by Chloe
IWell if you ask me, people who do pull the Manor down all the time are best to keep away, you're not needed or wanted here.

Why, because we only have businesses there and provide for the local community rather than actually living there, we are not allowed to voice an honest opinion based on our experiences.

If someone is moving to an area, it is only fair that they get a picture of what happens. They will see that there are posts both good and bad, and then they can make their own minds up about whether the area is for them or not.

Well if you ask me, people who do pull the Manor down all the time are best to keep away, you're not needed or wanted here.

I hope anything I've said hasn't offended you or anyone else living on the manor. Like yorkiepudd said, we are only giving our opinion based upon our experiences there and we feel this would be valuable to someone considering living in the area.

It hasn't offended me, I don't take offence that easily. But surely you understand where I'm coming from?? Potential buyers or people moving to here don't need to hear bad things, but good things. I'm sure you'd all feel the same if I went on pulling down the areas you lived in.

Potential buyers or people moving to here don't need to hear bad things, but good things.

They need both the good and bad points. I'd hate to move to an area without being told what it was like. The original poster has got both good and bad reviews of the manor and I'm sure this will influence their decision either way.

I'm sure if you were moving to a new area you'd want to know the good and bad stuff about the area... I know I would!

Nah, I'll always live here, it's where I belong. I just get fed up of people tarring us all with the same brush when it's not like that at all.

Anyway, I don't plan on moving out of here for a LONG time, it's so cheap to live with your parents!!

Originally posted by Chloe
I just get fed up of people tarring us all with the same brush when it's not like that at all.


Now that is a different thing altogether. i certainly don't think that everyone is like that, 99% of the people we deal with are a pleasure to see, it is just unfortunate that the 1% that cause trouble, (I would say it is limited to 4 or 5 gangs, about 40 individuals in total) are more unruly (uncontrollable, intimidating, however you want to describe it) than in many other areas of Sheffield and make a substantial difference to the aspect of the area as a whole.

Originally posted by t020
Since when was teaching good behaviour dependent on money? If anything, being on the dole should give parents the chance to spend more time with their children and raise them better, though I suspect they'd be too busy watching Trisha and This Morning. It costs nothing to teach good behaviour.

Well said t020:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Chloe
Well if you ask me, people who do pull the Manor down all the time are best to keep away, you're not needed or wanted here.

Well, if it's still as bad as I remember it to be, then perhaps pulling it down, literally, and starting all over again may be the best thing for it :)

Maybe it would, you're entitled to that opinion. I don't care any more to be honest
Tatty Bye

well pulling it down and re-building is what i'm lead to believe they are doing up there as we have already made £7k on our house and it hasn't even been built yet (house prices going up in property guide), i'm looking forward to moving up to this area because we've been up numerous times and it seems a nice, quiet new area...hope it continues to be ;)

Fingers crossed for you!

Id like to say that I moved to the Manor, (the new houses just down from manor top, near to the new parklands), nearly 2 years ago.

My fiance has been brought up on the Manor and is a professional, well rounded and well brought up.

Nearly all the houses on the parklands have been snapped up and the 2 bed apartments went for £75k, not cheap I don't think!!!!!

Each to their own but I don't think its that bad where we are.

I agree there could do with being a community centre, well staffed and somewhere to keep the bored kids off the street.

I have to tell aot of people this alot of the time -

Pay only what something is worth when you buy it. This is an opportune time for building firms to put up houses and find them sold months in advance of even the site clearance taking place.

The sad thing is that the less established areas will bottom out the quickest in any downturn. Buying a brand new house anywhere will make you a nice tidy little profit especially if they are sub £100k estate style where there is a FTB demand.

History would suggest the current trend of property pricing wont continue, and although its not going to be as bad as the last decline, alot of people will not be too happy about having bought properties on which they will be paying more for then they will actually be worth.

I sometimes dont understand the logic of the people buying a £80k flat, paying £40/month service charge or thereabouts, having little or no gardens, some with and withou parking.

I know its a lifestyle being sold - remeber "streets in the sky" ....

1M&HB

Teaching good behaviour is the job of the parents. However some parents these days seem to spend as little time with their children as possible. This in turn leads to the children having no role models to show them how to behave and they learn instead from TV and their peers. Again this has a knock on effect in that behaviour in general begins to fall off and governments then try to solve the problem by making teachers teach good behaviour and manners. Teachers will always educate children on how to behave but the children also need to be taught the same lessons at home. Some parents use the current education system as a baby sitting service and then refuse to discipline their children when they do wrong, instead telling the schools it is their problem. If this carries on then society itself will begin to crumble.

When will they understand that teachers are NOT surrogate parents?